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Message: Posted by: Clinton Wayne (Jun 20, 2005 1:55am)
Just looking for routines to use for a hypnosis show. I have from the internet and friends lots of ebooks and induction techniques that I tried. But I want to do a full show and all of my books don't have the funny routines I saw before or heard about. Is there a video with funny jokes and hypnosis props etc.. to try? I saw someone very good but will not ever use his best routines because he made them he said.

Someone else told me that a hypnosis show is different from mental magic and everyone can do the same show comedy because it's not tricks but real and you have to be careful and only use what other ones do to work. Looking forward to talking to my new friend about it.....sleeep (LOL) wake up, write back already! (TMF)
Message: Posted by: DarkKnight (Jun 20, 2005 5:24am)
Which drugs are you taking exactly ?
Message: Posted by: sjdavison (Jun 20, 2005 5:28am)
I have no idea what you just said...

Simon
Message: Posted by: Lee Darrow (Jun 20, 2005 6:56am)
Okay, here we go again:

If one is going to learn hypnosis, for heaven's sake, do it right and get professional training! I simply cannot stress this enough. Hypnosis is a high-level communicative process that deals with a very wide range of behavioral modalities that makes Kentonism look like kinderspiel.

You will not learn how to deal with things like abreactions, phobic responses, misunderstood suggestions, non-directed triggering, spontaneous regression, catatonia or any of a number of other, admittedly rare (but still common enough) phenomena that you WILL eventually run into while performing. If you do not know what these terms mean, then I have further proven my point.

Organizations like the National Guild of Hypnotists offer substantial training programs, as do the International Medical and Dental Hypnosis Association and any of the member groups of the Congress of Professional Hypnosis Organizations (COPHO).

Please do NOT rely on ebook or weekend wonder training from people who crank out these "learn to hypnotize anyone, anywhere and get them to do anything, instantly!" programs. Such programs are, at best, slim overviews of the field and, at worst, dangerously written directions that can lead you straight into litigation. Having read several of them and having had my lawyer do so as well, I am speaking with some authority on this point.

Ask yourself: Did you learn to become a professional level mentalist or magician in a weekend or from reading an ebook? What makes you think you can do it in a weekend with something as complex as hypnosis? We have all seen the people who walk into a magic chain store, buy the six tricks that are on special this week and then go do a show the next weekend. Is that where you want to come from?

The safest way to learn is in a supervised situation, where you can get the feedback you need and the help you might need, should anything happen that you aren't ready to deal with.

Get the clinical certification first. Many insurance companies are now requiring one before they will issue performance liability coverage these days anyway. Then take one of the hypnosis show classes, Like the one Ormond McGill & Jerry Valley teach. But please! Don't go the weekend-wonder route or the vidiot route! Hypnosis isn't like working with a deck of cards and you never know what you are going to run into out there.

I'm only speaking from 36 years' experience as a stage hypnotist, working all over the US, Canada, the Caribbean and a few gigs in Europe, so take the advice for what it's worth. I'm also teaching the free class at the National Guild's convention this year on Safety for Stage Hypnotists and Lecturers - a first for them as a specific class addressing safety as a discrete classm not as part of the general certification program - which it still is, of course. More info at http://www.ngh.net, just hit the link for the convention.

But please! For the safety of your volunteers and for your own financial welfare (lawsuits never fit well, the material is usually terrible and they always cost WAY too much), get the professional-level training before you step on stage, even for an in-home party! Believe me, you will be thankful that you did the first time something goes in a direction that you did not intend it to go in!

Rermember, doing a hypnosis show is doing a show inside the imaginations and with the subconscious minds of your volunteers and it is YOUR assets, both professional and financial, that are on the line. And, like my Daddy used to say" Always Cover Your Assets!"

Get the professional Certification and get the performance liability insurance before you do your first show. I cannot state this strongly enough.

Lee Darrow, C.H.
Message: Posted by: bobser (Jun 20, 2005 1:53pm)
Clinton Wayne... are you LLoyd Grossman?

Bobser
Message: Posted by: Clinton Wayne (Jun 20, 2005 10:13pm)
First I do not use drugs, I used to drink but am a Christain now. I don't know LLoyd and have heard some misterunderstanding before because of some typing and other conditoins that I have, the friends that know me understand and I don want to have to repaet my condition always again for evyrone to hear, sorry for thway I am trying to commuhicate but it is the way I am and not a child or on rdugs. I want to thank you pirsonally Lee for your words of encouragement on my beter knoledge to use more hypnosis. I undderstand you want me to take your course you are teaching at colege but I just want to do smaller tricks. like shake a hand and spectator goes to sleep, just by pulling the hand fast and looking at the eyes. I uderstand induction and it can take to long so what are some methods for funny routins that make it like hypnosis without so much talking and relaxing sounds etc.. I would also like to by the insurance policy for magic and hypnos from what you say Lee. Is there somewher to get it at low costv? without a cost of school would someone share something over private email for trades for props and or ilusions my mento thought manuscript that fooled Max ! Let me know and thank you for al yor help OK, twosteps forward one step back !
Message: Posted by: MagicalPirate (Jun 20, 2005 11:35pm)
If all you have are ebooks you don't yet own the most important volume on the subject of Stage Hypnosis - Ormond McGills New Encyclopedia of Stage Hypnotism. I don't think anyone here would want to point you in the direction of Liability Insurance with the level of posts that I am reading. I'm not sure you would have the effective personna necessary to put on one of these shows with these other conditions that you don't want to go over again. If your speech is like you grammar in your typing I would look for other avenues of entertainment. Hypnosis is all about communication, everyone being on the same page and people understanding what it is you want them to do.

Your lack of understanding on the subject matter screams at us when you say you don't want to do the long wordy inductions just shake their hand and say sleep. This is not as it may appear. This instant induction was one setup during the initial induction. You can't just walk up to someone, shake their hand and say sleep and they are in trance. If you believe this then you have a lot of studying to do before you are ever ready for a show.

Get Ormonds book and find someone to mentor you one on one. Check back with us in 6 months to a year and then we may have some worthwhile advice to be given out.

Martin :pirate:
Message: Posted by: gibby (Jun 20, 2005 11:48pm)
I think some people are being a little rude to Clinton. No need for it.

I think it might be helpful if Clinton would tell us something about himself. We don't know how old he is or how experienced he is at performing on stage. I note that in his profile he describes himself as a full time illusionist which may give us a clue.

If he is indeed a professional magician who is perfectly used to being on stage I would be advising him in a different way than I would if he were a teenager just starting out in magic. Perhaps he needs to clarify this first before we can advise him.
Message: Posted by: Clinton Wayne (Jun 21, 2005 1:30am)
Magic Private I know it takes time and study OK, My speech is fine oK. I was a county fair magain for many years ok and I said ful time illusionast gibby on my page because I used to be OK it is true I sold most things to make mentalism my job for a new beginning in magic and I am not full time now but have a lot of shows uner my belt Ok. I am past 50 and so serious about my art OK our art together we can laern to make it better by sharing everything OK! As far as coming bakc in a year Pirate how dare you I try these inductions most everydoay and they are starting to work. what maked you better than me a photo and some attitudes that you are better than me OK maybe but I don't need your advice to do it because it's going already to a great hypnosis show OK pirate, this is for shairing and not talking down to yuor knowledgeble magicianns right. and I know about ormond mgcill from limewire on the internet I have the book..I asked and I repeat only for some idaes for routines, I am already a hypnosis and why not point my toward insurance so ther eisno law suit OK help a brother and a universe can help you. good luck pirate from makingeveryone upset.OK
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Jun 21, 2005 1:41am)
Clinton:

Lighten up. Put in some spaces. Put in some periods. Take a deep breath.

You aren't going to find the real work on stage hypnosis on the internet.

Anyone can do an induction. But not everyone has the training to clean up properly at the end of a hypnotic presentation.

I'm not sure where you got the idea that this board or the internet, for that matter is about working together and sharing everything. We don't know you.

According to your own statements, you are a "Christain" and a "hypnosis." This lends you a very special kind of credibility.

You seem to be the only one here who is getting upset.
Message: Posted by: Clinton Wayne (Jun 21, 2005 1:51am)
By making a point to show my speling mistakes bill, you are also talking down to me. I know it is "Christian" and also "hypnostist" I don't know yuor point about some special credibitlity, I for one can't take you so serious as a mental hyptotist wearing a fake beard an medievel clowning type character, yes you have so many posts but I had enough now , I need encouragemnet and respect the same as you and also freindship you want periods....................................is that slow enought to you? Ok? Calm down? well you can calm down more than me becuase I am just like you and I know you have some temper and I am already calm Ok bill? You can email me if there is some personal OK but please don't try to inbarras me in front of my friend whom as you may not know include Osterlind, bankcheck, Max and many who have'nt said they know you OK. I 'm sorry enough is enough now, I no why some people try to quit the Café because it doesn't go productive only your ego right ?
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Jun 21, 2005 4:26am)
Clifton:

I never claimed to be a hypnotist. All I did was point out that you have raised some serious doubts in a lot of minds about your capabilities.

If you want encouragement and respect, you are going to have to earn it. You can drop all the names you want to, but that isn't going to get you any respect.

If you want encouragement, here's some. I encourage you to take some serious training in psychology. If you don't have the background in psychology, you are going to leave yourself open to all sorts of liability that no insurance policy from any of the magic clubs or clown groups will cover. I'm not saying that you are a clown or that you have been a member of a clown group. I'm just mentioning that because a lot of magicians used the Clowns of America insurance policy before IBM and SAM had their insurance.

By the way, my beard isn't fake. If you think you have the b*lls, you can pull on it. It doesn't come off.

The people on this forum have offered you a lot of very good advice. I would heed it if I were you.

Lee Darrow knows more about stage hypnosis than most of the fellows who are teaching the seminars that take place in Las Vegas on almost a monthly basis. He is certified and extremely well-trained. He spends quite a bit of time cleaning up after hypnotists who don't understand the nature of what they are working with.


Message: Posted by: Spinnato (Jun 21, 2005 5:25am)
Quote:

On 2005-06-21 01:30, Clinton Wayne wrote:
Magic Private I know it takes time and study OK, My speech is fine oK. I was a county fair magain for many years ok and I said ful time illusionast gibby on my page because I used to be OK it is true I sold most things to make mentalism my job for a new beginning in magic and I am not full time now but have a lot of shows uner my belt Ok. I am past 50 and so serious about my art OK our art together we can laern to make it better by sharing everything OK! As far as coming bakc in a year Pirate how dare you I try these inductions most everydoay and they are starting to work. what maked you better than me a photo and some attitudes that you are better than me OK maybe but I don't need your advice to do it because it's going already to a great hypnosis show OK pirate, this is for shairing and not talking down to yuor knowledgeble magicianns right. and I know about ormond mgcill from limewire on the internet I have the book..I asked and I repeat only for some idaes for routines, I am already a hypnosis and why not point my toward insurance so ther eisno law suit OK help a brother and a universe can help you. good luck pirate from makingeveryone upset.OK



That's 11 OK's. Eleven.
Message: Posted by: Roki (Jun 21, 2005 6:10am)
Have any of you experienced professionals heard of pacing and leading .
What is the point of outright criticism of Clinton.
While it is obvious he is not your typical typist , you really know nothing about him.
I agree totally with the points of caution made by Lee Darrow and that as this is a public board it is worth making these points again .
However for the rest, it may be worth noting that ridiculing someone has not prooved to be the best form of influencing them to learn something.
Message: Posted by: Hexagon (Jun 21, 2005 9:04am)
I think Mr. Darrow's reply hit the nail on the head, hypnosis is a dangerous game, and to present a full show requires proper training, not just for the sake of your abilities, but from a legal standpoint, and you don't want to risk any legal problems arising afterward.
Message: Posted by: MagicalPirate (Jun 21, 2005 11:16am)
Okay Clinton:

I was polite before now I will be blunt. This forum is not now nor has it ever been the source of information you are looking for. If you want knowledge and encouragement in this endeavor then it comes at a price. You are not going to get your start in this career as a free ride. You want insurance you can get it at http://www.clownsoftheus.com. But as it has been pointed out you will have to attain some credentials to receive the insurance. It runs $180.00 a year per person (meaning if you use an assistant it is that rate X 2).

If you want this knowledge of great routines then go online to ebay and type into any of those little search engines the following stage +hypno* and you will get the same list the rest of us get. There are many available show dvd's there and you can sit and watch them and steal ideas just like everyone else has.

Specifically I would suggest you check out the offerings of myrhhandco as Gene Martin has a two DVD set that covers his use of the Dave Elman induction which is what I use. He also has two complete shows on those two DVD. You can also find offerings through Ed Madden user name ecoolstuff he sells his DVD's Justin Tranz from Las Vegas DVD's and Ricky Honea AKA Dr. H who is a minister/Hypnotist from Lubbock Texas. You can also get DVD's from Alexander Duvall user ID hypno2004 who sells about 18 different DVD's from his shows. That should give you a good start. Unless you are planning on being a filthy Hypnotist I would stay away from Jonathan Royle material. His teaching is okay but I would not emulate his show material (unless you are into handing hypnotized people a dildoe and telling them that it is an ice cream cone).

You want encouragement and knowledge then join http://www.stagehypnosiscenter.com. But don't expect free training here as this group is not where you will find it. I got the same responses as you have received I took the time to get out there and follow the advice and now I do shows.

Martin :pirate:
Message: Posted by: gibby (Jun 21, 2005 11:37am)
Clinton was asking for advice on hypnosis not his writing style, spelling or grammar. Not everyone can be a literary hot-shot.

He did hint that there was a reason for his problems communicating via writing. It is up to him and it is really none of my or anyone else's business but I would be certainly curious to hear what that reason was.

I sense an intelligent person here and I do not think he should be judged on how he handles the written word.

I have been doing hypnotism shows for many years. I have a very cynical view of it. I don't believe it exists neither do I believe in the supposed dangers of it. If something doesn't exist in the first place it can't be dangerous. I would certainly advise caution though because you can still get in trouble not because of the danger but because of the perception of danger. And you also have to be careful of the physical aspects of what you do. Broken necks on stage do not constitute good showmanship.

I don't believe in "abreactions" or other tommyrot. People with psychological disorders should be discouraged from volunteering in the first place and this can be taken care of in the hypnotist's opening remarks. And of course a fairly watchful eye once the volunteers are actually on stage.

I don't believe in "training". Or at least I do but not in the formal sense that you have to take months and months of it.

All you need is stage experience, a little knowledge of human nature and how daft people are, some knowledge of how to manipulate them and above all nerves of steel.
If Clinton has that then that is all he will need.

Oh and a little practice would help.
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Jun 21, 2005 11:51am)
Well, "gibby," you are entitled to your opinions, however wrong or misguided they may be. One can only hope that when you have some volunteer act out on you or refuse to come out of the trance state that you have had sufficient training to know how to handle it.

Although I do not perform as a hypnotist, I have been involved in it for more than 40 years, and I have seen what it can do. I have seen it completely mask pain in patients who were suffering from non-treatable post-herpetic neuralgia, for example. I was also privy to some interesting case work in which a dentist in our area was using hypnosis as a tool to sexually assault female patients. The hypnotist who finally got the evidence he needed to have the man convicted spent a long time undoing hypnotic locks that had been placed upon the victims.

So, for a nonexistent state, hypnosis certainly was effective in those cases.

But you are not alone in your belief.

Kreskin also claims that the state does not exist. But he does that for a specific reason. In Pennsylvania, which is his home state, hypnosis is (or at least, was) illegal. By demanding that the authorities prove its existence, he put the onus on the prosecution rather than the defense.

Message: Posted by: gibby (Jun 21, 2005 12:25pm)
The key to getting people out of hypnosis is simply to realise that they aren't in it in the first place. When you know this then there is no need to panic. You do NOT need months of training in gobbleydegook which is designed to make you believe in something that doesn't exist in the first place.

The next few lines should do it instead. Simply say to the person who is either faking or deluding himself that he or she is "hypnotised" the following words.

"you really enjoy being hypnotised, don't you?" the answer will be yes or little reaction.
Continue "do I have your permission to wake you up?" You will get a nod or a "yes"

If you don't then simply ask again until you get a response. Never panic or they will sense it and keep up the charade even longer.

When you get "permission" simply say "I am going to count up to 5. Do you promise to wake up when I say 5?" Go no further until the answer is "yes" It will be if you persist.

Then count to five and wake them up in the usual way.

There. You don't need to take some silly course now, do you?

With regard to the other matters that Mr Palmer mentions I can assure him that there is an answer for all of it. I suggest he reads "They call it hypnosis" by Robert Baker since it is obvious that he needs to expand his knowledge. After all he has admitted that he has no experience as a hypnotist.

Kreskin isn't the only one who is sceptical. The dreaded Jonathon Royle also believes this too. And I must say that many of the worlds leading stage hypnotists believe it also. Oh and quite a few therapists too.

Of course a lot of hypnotists do believe in an altered state of consciousness. They are called state theorists and the sceptics are called non state theorists.

I prefer not to be hampered by belief. It takes a whole lot less effort that way and you can entertain people a lot more effectively if you take a cynical attitude.
Message: Posted by: bobser (Jun 21, 2005 12:58pm)
Wow gibby,
You seem just the right type of person I'd be able to entrust in the training of a son or a daughter! (just a little bit of humour there!)

Now for the main course of which I have 3 questions for you:
1) Can I ask you what your opinion is of the women who were sexually assaulted by that dentist Bill mentioned (there have actually been many many cases concerning this)?

2) Would you really be able to inform them and their families that there's actually no such thing as hypnosis?

3) And finally, can you explain why these assumingly respectable women allowed these doddery old dentists and doctors to have their evil way with them?

Yours aye,
Bobser (curiously awaiting your reply)
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Jun 21, 2005 1:07pm)
"gibby" wrote:
Quote:

With regard to the other matters that Mr Palmer mentions I can assure him that there is an answer for all of it. I suggest he reads "They call it hypnosis" by Robert Baker since it is obvious that he needs to expand his knowledge. After all he has admitted that he has no experience as a hypnotist.


That's not what I said at all. Re-read my posts.

I said that I do not perform as a hypnotist. In a previous post, I stated that I do not claim to be a hypnotist. However, I have been directly involved in hypnosis for a very long time.

Message: Posted by: gibby (Jun 21, 2005 1:24pm)
Malpractice is not something that applies only to hypnosis situations. Doctors are getting into trouble for all sorts of things at various times.It doesn't just take a hypnosis situation for a doctor to be unjustly accused of something.

With regard to these individual cases I cannot comment on them since I know nothing about them whatsoever. However as a general rule anecdotal evidence is always suspect.

Doctors are in great danger of patients complaining even when hypnosis isn't being used. Sometimes the patient may be mentally unstable or have an over ripe imagination. A hypnotherapist in particular may be in some danger unless he has a witness present. Of course this isn't always practical.

And of course the doctor or dentist may in fact be taking advantage of a person in his care. However that has nothing to do with the hypnosis itself. It just means that the doctor is a bit iffy.

It is standard wisdom even among state theorists that people won't do anything against their normal wishes under hypnosis. So the stories of people acquiescing in their molestation sound pretty suspect to me. Even if you believe in hypnosis you might be tempted to argue with this proposition.

They would just wake up and scream blue murder!

The greatest danger of "hypnosis" is usually to the hypnotist himself. YOu ut yourself in great danger of getting involved in all sorts of situations not because of the non existent hypnosis but because of the PERCEPTION of hypnosis and what people imagine happens to their minds.

Even if those women were genuine victims it would be because they conned themselves into believing that they were hypnotised and felt powerless to resist. Frankly I am sceptical about these cases as I regretfully am sceptical about a lot of things Mr Palmer says.

Still he is entitled to his opinions no matter however wrong or misleading they may be.
Message: Posted by: hkwiles (Jun 21, 2005 1:43pm)
Clinton...if you have Ormonds book...why the question? its packed full of nice, clean routines..assuming that's what you want?
and I would have thought that your condition (or one of them) is quite obvious from your posts.I have a colleague at work who suffers with the complaint and his e-mails are quite amusing at times.
Gibby..I tend to agree with you about the whole affair..there is a lot of gobbledygook written and talked about it. I certainly don't think you need to pay hundreds of £'s to learn it .I got what is probably the cheapest course on the net
for Hynotherapy and I must say it is very well put together and yes it has a whole section on abbreactions when in an altered state, deep relaxation , trance whatever it is.Ther are loads of good books out there to learn about inductions.
The best one by far is probably Tranceformations..now sadly out of print but well worth trying to get a copy on ebay.

Howard
Message: Posted by: gibby (Jun 21, 2005 3:52pm)
I own transformations. I don't understand a word of it.
Bandler and Grinder have that effect on me, I am afraid.
Message: Posted by: hkwiles (Jun 21, 2005 4:09pm)
Gibby... Trance-formations is the title, a pun on Transformations. I don't understand what you mean by "don't understand a word of it" Its probably one of the best books describing the process of putting someone into an altered state or state of heightend awareness.

Howard
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Jun 21, 2005 4:55pm)
The information about the doctor in the Houston area is not anecdotal at all. It is a matter of public record. He was convicted, lost his license and was sentenced to do some heavy jail time.

It was his case that led to the tightening of the laws governing certification of hypnotists in the State of Texas. One of the reasons that I never went into stage hypnosis as a profession was that I felt it was important to become certified. I was given the runaround by the authorities, and decided that until the process became more streamlined, it wasn't worth the trouble.

In Texas, the AMA and other groups have had a big row with hypnotists, anyway. The medics don't want hypnotists doing any weight control or smoking control without the benefit of a medical degree. In 1975, they closed down Gene DeJean's hypnosis practice for "regulating bodliy functions." Of course, this was clinical hypnosis, not stage hypnosis. And although Gene was for years primarily an entertainer, he never approved of hypnosis as stage entertainment.
Message: Posted by: MagicalPirate (Jun 21, 2005 5:10pm)
I see. So they only want you to lose weight and stop smoking if they have their hand in the till at the time you do it. That must be why the seminars for weight loss and stop smoking slip in and out of town quickly and quietly around here. I had the understanding from the ngh sight that there were no regulations in texas except to follow their standards that they had set. Glad I'm only interested in doing Stage Hypnosis, that doesn't seem to have any problems here in Texas.

Martin :pirate:
Message: Posted by: bobser (Jun 21, 2005 5:14pm)
Gibby,
In my estimation you have been tested... and found 'wanting'.
Just an opinion.

Bobser.
Message: Posted by: gibby (Jun 21, 2005 5:34pm)
Yes Bobser. And your opinion is wrong.

Message: Posted by: Clinton Wayne (Jun 21, 2005 6:05pm)
Wow, Ok people are being too much about opinions and hurtful. Pirate thank you so much for your resorces I have looked up most everything yuo said. I now understand and came to no in whatever matter of words that most are not trying to kck me out of a secret club but have tried in there own way to make me and my performance more like a succes than a lawsuit OK LOL Thank you lee an pirate and gibby and bill who seems more funny now I know a baerd is so real ! I smell Christmas money...(do Santa shhh!) when we meet I won't try to pull it, promise ! I'm not sure what some of you got into thier with real vs fake and what not but does it really mater if it is all just for fun an entertainment ? sometimes we do take these tricks to serouis. We should all feel free to share and learn to make magic and the wolrd a better place OK. You guys are the best, thank you, you know who for al l the encouraged private messages, I have learned so much from your graciousnes. Thank you too much.
Message: Posted by: Lee Darrow (Jun 21, 2005 11:03pm)
Bill, Hexagon, thanks for the kind words. hey are much appreciated.

Clinton, my comments were not meant as criticism, but as a direction for you to help you get a stage hypnosis career off the ground in a safe manner, nothing more. Having the training helps you in knowing how to deal with the, admittedly rare, situations that can occur in a stage show where someone acts in a manner that is unexpected and disturbing.

Also, having that certification is about the only way you are going to get the liability insurance that was mentioned through many of the insurers out there, including the Clowns of the US, last time I talked to them. I know they asked me if I was a Certified Hypnotist and which organization I was certified through before they would issue insurance to me back when they were my carrier.

It's also helpful to be a mamber of an organization where you can get support when you have a question - you can network with other professionals who regularly exchange idean and information on topics of mutual interest.

I hope this helps clarify my earlier post.

Lee Darrow, C.H.
Message: Posted by: Clinton Wayne (Jun 24, 2005 4:16pm)
Lee you can a scholar and agentleman, nothing critical OK. Good luck with your new show for the colleges !
Message: Posted by: MagicalPirate (Aug 6, 2005 6:23pm)
Hi Clinton Wayne:

So hows goes your education on this topic. Keep us updated.

Martin :pirate:
Message: Posted by: Clinton Wayne (Aug 6, 2005 11:56pm)
My two show went hypnosis was to challenging wwhen it didn't work. I will need so much help for tone of voice script. from everyone here please. one by one I incuce easily but was nervous for 174 lucky I brought some magic OK !whew. Someone try to say it is like to steal a watch sometime it works then no but to dkeep trying. Get on the horse again ! Thank you for all support, the Osterlind background tape is too good, I listen at it before bed for my sleep OK.