(Close Window) Topic: Review Request - Strange Travelers
Message: Posted by: jimesw (May 10, 2006 11:47am)
Hi All

Anybody know anything about this?
I'm wondering how it differs to 'Red Rover' or 'Red Sea Passover.' Is it an improvement?

Here is the ad:
"This is David Blaine's single favorite effect. The actual deal-closer David used for most of his professional career. It helped him close the deal on his first Network T.V. special: Street Magic.

Here it is:

You show someone a batch of twenty cards... all different. You give her ten of the cards to hold. You now have her just think of one of the remaining ten cards. She never says a word. No one except her knows what card she’s thinking of. These ten cards are counted again. Strangely... there are now only nine.

The one card she’d been thinking of has vanished! She’s still only thinking of her card… it’s never been named out loud! She counts the other ten cards she’s been holding… ten cards you haven't touched since the beginning. But now she has eleven cards!

The strange traveler has arrived... her thought-of card is now staring her in the face!

Strange Travelers is a streamlined version of a classic effect that was Nate Lepzig's favorite over 75 years ago. Other variations have come and gone. David rediscovered this hidden gem, and the rest is history.

"And the really good news: Blaine's favorite effect is extremely easy to do: No palming. No difficult moves. Just a simple elegant handling that just about anyone can learn.

Complete with Paul Harris' revised gimmick and routines which includes a version where you start and finish with a normal deck.

Strange Travelers: David Blaine's favorite effect, his actual deal closer, can now be yours."
Message: Posted by: fvdbeek (May 10, 2006 3:46pm)
I'm wondering if it just a DVD or a complete trick.

Frans
Message: Posted by: elierfr (May 10, 2006 5:05pm)
I've read the description and it is obvious...
An old method.
Nothing new
Message: Posted by: wise owl (May 10, 2006 5:31pm)
Yeah! Its an old method. But for $19.95, what can you expect? For someone who don't know how it work and the fair price, I think it is worthwhile.
Message: Posted by: Joe Russell (May 10, 2006 5:54pm)
I love the cover on it, Paul and David sitting across from each other on the subway- its priceless.
Message: Posted by: kamus (May 10, 2006 8:47pm)
Daryl has a very nice variation of the classic thought of cards across effect. It's called Crossed Thought and you can find it here for 14.95:
http://foolerdoolers.com/store/productdetail.asp?productid=200102

I didn't like the gimmick that came with the trick, though it is usable, but instead I had Neil Lester make me one that is just great for only a couple of dollars.
Message: Posted by: Ben Harris (May 10, 2006 9:05pm)
Hey Joe,

Yes the cover is real cool. The pic was taken by Lou Garbayo and was then cleverly enhanced by Garrett Thomas.

Running at 44 pages with over 50 illustrations, this is a little more than you may think. Paul Harris has really added some clever touches. It's a killer effect with some very easy and subtle handling touches.

Cheers

Ben
Message: Posted by: Robert M (May 10, 2006 9:10pm)
This sounds very interesting. Perhaps a new slant on Cards Across, which is a classic effect in card magic.

Robert
Message: Posted by: Matt Bartz (May 11, 2006 1:58pm)
Ben-
Thanks for providing that information. Sounds like a lot of thought and work went into that booklet.
Message: Posted by: phase27 (May 11, 2006 5:03pm)
Does anyone know if the gimmick for this effect is easy to carry around and ditch when needed? I mean is it just a gaffed card or more? Also does anyone know if the impromptu is any good ?
Message: Posted by: niva (May 11, 2006 5:25pm)
Lol I did not recognise Paul.

Well this happened to me before. During the last FISM Paul Harris was staying in the same hotel I was in and many times I had breakfast a few tables away from him, all the time saying to myself how much he looks like Paul Harris. Grrrr!! I want to bang my head against a wall everytime I remember. Any idea whether he will be attending this years FISM?

Cool picture by the way.
Message: Posted by: ventman (May 12, 2006 12:14am)
How is this different from Sankey's Astral Projection?
Message: Posted by: fvdbeek (May 12, 2006 5:00am)
In Astral Projection the number of cards isn't important in the trick. Here you first have two sets of 10 cards and later one set of 9 and one of 11. The eleventh card is the one from the other set of cards . In Astral Projection the set of cards that is given to the spectator is never examed before the trick begins. You could never tell whats cards there are in the set beforehand. Sounds a little complicated, but those who have Astral Projction will get it.

Frans
Message: Posted by: TheTableTopTrixta (May 12, 2006 7:00am)
Is this easy to pick up??

Message: Posted by: ventman (May 12, 2006 9:06am)
Thank you Frans.
Message: Posted by: niva (May 12, 2006 1:14pm)
Quote:

On 2006-05-12 07:00, TheTableTopTrixta wrote:
Is this easy to pick up??




Not at all. Just place your hand on top, close your fingers, get a good grip and lift. :lol:

Sorry, but I had to say it.
Message: Posted by: Christopher Williams (May 12, 2006 1:33pm)
I have a feeling you get 20 gaffed cards, but I could be way off base, and I don't want to speculate a method. I am also interested if anyone gets a review to this
Message: Posted by: shaunproof (May 12, 2006 2:48pm)
This appear's to be Lin's Leap (by Alex Lin). This was sold by Tannen's in the early/mid 90s (when Blaine would have been a regular). The trick is now sold by Tannen's under the name "Card Leap". Scroll down a bit and you'll see it here:
http://www.tannens.com/cart/cat39.html

There was some controversy when the trick's title was changed under prior management at Tannen's. I'm sure someone else could fill us in with the specifics.

You don't get 20 gaffed cards, but you have the right idea.

The trick is terrific and I've seen several magicians do it professionally and on tv, including Lyn Dylies who did it on the Clint Holmes TV show in the early 90s (on Channel 9 in NYC).

I find it quote amusing to read in teh ad that David Blaine "re-discovered" this. trick.

Message: Posted by: shaunproof (May 12, 2006 6:31pm)
That should be "quite amusing" and not "quote amusing".
"teh" should be "the".
There's an extra period in there. And I'm sure there are other typos. Sorry about that.
Message: Posted by: Scott Kahn (May 13, 2006 12:30pm)
I first learned Lin's Leap (AKA Card Leap) when I bought the effect from Tannen's back in the early 1990s. It has been in my repertoire since then. I have added some personal touches and handling modifications, but if this is Lin's Leap being re-marketed as "Strange Travelers," I'd be interested to see how David Blaine and Paul Harris turned a 2 page set of instructions into a booklet with over 40 pages???

Scott
Message: Posted by: Algebra2 (May 14, 2006 6:36am)
How does this copare to Simon Aronson Red See Passover effect they both sound similiar...
Message: Posted by: evolve629 (May 14, 2006 1:38pm)
If the Strange Travelers requires no palming, I'm getting this one for sure!
Message: Posted by: TheTableTopTrixta (May 14, 2006 1:45pm)
Missed my special delivery on Saturday so will pick it up Monday!!!


will get a review up then

Ash
Message: Posted by: shaunproof (May 15, 2006 5:06am)
I think it's cleaner looking and a larger degree of freedom in handling than in Red Sea Passover. However, in RSP, the cards come from different decks and you end up with a red-backed mentally selected card in the blue back. This is a positive feature to some, so you'd have to consider what you want out of the trick. Also, you don't have to openly carry 2 decks of cards with you.
Message: Posted by: TheTableTopTrixta (May 17, 2006 2:42am)
Anyone got this yet???
Message: Posted by: david_a_whitehead (May 17, 2006 7:23am)
Yes. I think it is very very good.
Message: Posted by: da5id (May 17, 2006 11:20am)
I got it and I love it. A rare treat to get such a well done effect. Paul Harris has a way of writing instructions that you don't see anywhere else which gives you such clarity on what to do. Every possibility is covered. There are multiple handlings given so you can do it if you have a table or if you do walk around. And there are some advanced/experimental suggestions given as well.

This effect is strong and has a simple plot that is easy for the spectator to follow. It resets easily and packs light.

Highly recommended.
Message: Posted by: evolve629 (May 17, 2006 11:23am)
Well, this is a special order item and I still haven't heard when it will be shipped. Can I ask if the instruction comes in DVD or written? I really can't wait to get it after reading such positive reviews!!!
Message: Posted by: da5id (May 17, 2006 11:46am)
The instructions are written ... written incredibly well. Paul Harris makes it fun to work through learning the effect.
Message: Posted by: zing82 (May 17, 2006 3:53pm)
I've just got it from my mailbox this afternoon. After opening up the package, I was kinda disappointed that this effect requires gaffs. However after reading through the booklet (ya...its not a video) I truly surprised at how Paul Harris helps you to start and end up clean even though you are performing this effect with gimmicks. Totally changed my view about the effect after reading it.

Let me bring you thru the package,

What you will receive:

A 42 pages of full instructions booklet
9 Gaff Cards
11 Normal Red Bicycle Cards
A black Card Wallet to store your 20 cards

+ some miscelleaous Ellusionist adverts leaflets *laughs*



Routines

There are 2 routines taught in the booklet,

1. A Basic Method without a Regular Deck (this routine requires you to perform at a table)

2. Stand Up Performance with a Regular Deck.



Clarity in Instructions and Ease of Learning

I'm not sure if it's Paul Harris who wrote this booklet, even if it isn't him, he still got his editor to set the instructions in a really very clear manner.

Designed to read in a landscape manner, the instructions in it are written in details for every single steps of the routines. (e.g Step 1: Do this, Step 2: Do that) Readers of the Art of Astonishment books will have no problem at all, his instructions in this booklet are similar to the AOA series. Along with it are also a large numbers of illustrations.

The 1st routine is pretty much straightforward and handling is very easy. Whereas the 2nd routine will require a bit more handling, but its not that difficult, if you can catch a pinky break, you can do this.

This booklet is a very easy read and unless you don't understand a single word of English, I don't see a problem in learning this effect.



Bonus Options

In the booklet, it also mention and taught a couple of ways how you can perform Strange Travelers and end up clean.

There is actually a demo video on how the effect will look like when performed. The URL was given in the booklet, so I assumed its a tiny bonus only for the owners of this products.



FAQs

The ad mention that this trick can be performed with the gaff or with a regular deck. How true is it?

The words in the advert kinda mess up and mislead the people that this trick can be performed impromptu. Sorry, its not that way. The trick can only be performed with the aid of the gaff cards but it can still be incorporated in a regular deck.

Can I use it with the Ghost, Tigers, Vipers or even THE YELLOW DECK?

Unless you can find the gaffs cards in their respective colorful faces, in the meantime you can only performed it with Regular Bikes, Tallys and Split Spades decks.


Hmm..I can't think of anymore questions, but I'll be glad to answer them. Long post...thanks for reading this through...hope it helps.
Message: Posted by: magicinsight (May 17, 2006 4:02pm)
Quote:

On 2006-05-13 12:30, Scott Kahn wrote:
I first learned Lin's Leap (AKA Card Leap) when I bought the effect from Tannen's back in the early 1990s. It has been in my repertoire since then. I have added some personal touches and handling modifications, but if this is Lin's Leap being re-marketed as "Strange Travelers," I'd be interested to see how David Blaine and Paul Harris turned a 2 page set of instructions into a booklet with over 40 pages???

Scott


Scott,

I also got this effect a/k/a Card Leap from Tannens in the early 90's. Maybe I saw you there. I too will be interested to know how a 2 page manuscript became 40 pages. It is a terrific effect, though.

Michael
Message: Posted by: therapysessions (May 19, 2006 2:02am)
I picked it up today at Tannens. As people pointed, it's basically card leap but with a cleaner gimmmick, which I personally like better. No palming and really easy to pick up as the ad says.

As for the manual, it's long because it show two ways of performing the effect (on the table and blaines "in the hands" version) as well as how to create a special gimmick that allows you to load the gaffs in a very clever sneaky way that only Paul Harris could have thought of. There are small performances tips here and there and really clear illustrations.

For me, I never really did card leap even though I had it aroudn long long ago. After picking this up again (admittingly an impulse buy as I was picking up some invisible thread and dvds) I'm really glad I did. I will def be adding this to my routine, it's so clean and simple, which is the kind of effects I love.

The only negative thing I can say is something personal. Since I've made Ellusionist Ghost Decks my personal signature deck, I cannot use Strange Travelers with it. It would be a godsend for me to be able to get the gimmick in a ghost deck variant.
Message: Posted by: tdowell (May 19, 2006 3:06am)
Quote:

On 2006-05-19 02:02, therapysessions wrote:
The only negative thing I can say is something personal. Since I've made Ellusionist Ghost Decks my personal signature deck, I cannot use Strange Travelers with it. It would be a godsend for me to be able to get the gimmick in a ghost deck variant.


Ghost decks are your "personal signature deck"? LOL.
Message: Posted by: therapysessions (May 19, 2006 3:14am)
Quote:

On 2006-05-19 03:06, tdowell wrote:
Quote:

On 2006-05-19 02:02, therapysessions wrote:
The only negative thing I can say is something personal. Since I've made Ellusionist Ghost Decks my personal signature deck, I cannot use Strange Travelers with it. It would be a godsend for me to be able to get the gimmick in a ghost deck variant.


Ghost decks are your "personal signature deck"? LOL.


It's what I use the most, mainly because I dress in monochromatics (all white/all black).
Message: Posted by: the Sponge (May 19, 2006 12:20pm)
How does this differ from Simon's effect?

s
Message: Posted by: therapysessions (May 19, 2006 12:46pm)
Check the beginning of the page, someone answers your question.
Message: Posted by: shaunproof (May 19, 2006 7:40pm)
There's a rule on the magic Café. Always post a question without reading the thread.
Message: Posted by: Matt Malinas (May 19, 2006 8:10pm)
Sounds like a hit.
I'm definetly gonna get this one.
I always loved card across effects. this one sound particulary good.

-Matt
Message: Posted by: TheTableTopTrixta (May 20, 2006 10:15am)
Ok mine arrived this morning and after 10mins well in fact after reading the impressive booklet I was performing it to a trusted friend - This is strong the effect, in its purest form is so powerful this will go directly into my tablehopping routine - the effect really does have everything to it.

the booklet is top notch well produced and easy to follow - the gaff itself is very nice and will go undetected I am sure.

I am very happy with this one - it would be nice to see a demo of it and I am working on it tonight should be up on youtube tomoro (it will be a rough demo for members of the Café to look at)

it does seem that this is an old effect with an improved gaff - IMHO well worth the asking price.

it does exactly what it says on the tin.



Message: Posted by: evolve629 (May 20, 2006 1:06pm)
This effect sounds like a winner for 2006. Thanks for the review, TheTableTopTrixta!
Message: Posted by: tunafish (May 21, 2006 12:20pm)
This question is for TableTopTrixta, or anyone else who performs strolling magic, and will be using Strange Travelers.

When strolling, do you think you will be performing this as a packet trick, or from a full deck?

I hope to perform it as a packet trick, so I don't have to carry an extra deck just for this.

If I perform it as a packet trick, do you think it will lose strength?

I ordered this, and it should arrive this week.

Thanks in advance,

Matt
Message: Posted by: evolve629 (May 21, 2006 1:19pm)
Matt, you can use a regular deck while performing this effect. The illustration will tell you how to do this. However, you'll have to make this deck your only for this effect.
Message: Posted by: TheTableTopTrixta (May 21, 2006 9:43pm)
Matt good question and I am still giving it some thought I don't think it will lose strength. I think I will keep this in the packet! just my thoughts

Ash
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (May 21, 2006 10:03pm)
The manuscript gives you detailed instructions on gaffing up a card case which will hold the gimmick packet within the box waiting to be ringed in at the appropriate time. Your regular deck can be used for your regular effects and when the time comes to perform Strange Travelers you will be able to ring in the gaffs without anybody being the wiser because of the gaffed card case.
Message: Posted by: KiKi (May 22, 2006 5:53am)
I bought the same effect about 6 years ago. it`s called CARONI CARDS. is this a rip off? and the effect plays stronger after a few card effects. you put away your deck and say" ok, one more?.. or whatever, change the normal deck in your pocket and continue with this one! people never think of gaffed cards that way!
kiki
Message: Posted by: magicHart (May 22, 2006 2:23pm)
Forget the similarities, forget the comparisons, forget the implications that it might be a rip off. Listen to what's been said. For $20 you will not be disappointed. Not only do you get an effect that will be impactful,
you will be totally amazed at the instructional booklet that Paul Harris put together to help you learn a variety of presentations for this effect. It's awsome, hopefully this kind of professionalism will rub off on the magic marketing geniuses in the future.
Message: Posted by: bloodkin (May 22, 2006 5:33pm)
As far as I can tell, it's not a rip-off. Full credit is given at the beginning of the booklet to the originator (many, many years ago).

You can easily perfomr it as a packet trick. I prefer the gimmicked case and will start using this as closer. I've always loved the "airplane card" effect and this by far is the cleanest and my favorite.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (May 22, 2006 9:14pm)
Quote:

On 2006-05-14 13:38, evolve629 wrote:
If the Strange Travelers requires no palming, I'm getting this one for sure!


No palming..you have your wish!
I received it today..and by way of a few short comments, let me say..no expense was spared in making this a class outfit all the way.

The booklet that you receive is really first quality..as far as instructions, and nessecary illustrations, this is hard to beat. The cards are beautifully printed..most of them you can get elsewhere, but there is ONE very special card that I have never seen before anywhere.

The book is replete with ideas, tips, and subtleties, and everything you need to know to make this thing fly.

If you can't perform the effect after studying this, then perhaps it's time to take up another advocation.

Again, this is a first class production, and I wouldn't hesitate to reccomend it.

Kudos Paul!
Message: Posted by: da5id (May 22, 2006 11:27pm)
I performed this today. It absolutely kills.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (May 23, 2006 5:34am)
And despite the long instructions, it really is NOT that long winded and difficult to learn. Pretty simple really.
Message: Posted by: fvdbeek (May 23, 2006 1:36pm)
Is it true that:

- you can't count the cards for the spectator out loud (from 1 tot 10)

- you have tot deal them face down

Maybe some experienced user can comment on that.

Frans
Message: Posted by: bloodkin (May 23, 2006 2:32pm)
Frans,

You do count the cards out loud and you deal them all face up. It's as clean as can be. Really one of my favorite effects in a long time.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (May 23, 2006 10:33pm)
Simple, simple, SIMPLE. Easy as proverbial pie to learn. ZERO sleights, ZERO monkey business.
Message: Posted by: fvdbeek (May 24, 2006 3:39am)
Thanks for the answer, Bloodkin.

Frans
Message: Posted by: wise owl (May 25, 2006 1:26am)
Just received mine this morning (oversea shipment). The method used old principle which most of us will know. But I think just the instruction booklet itself will worth the 20 bugs spend.

It is so details and give you full instruction and tips on the tricks. I especially fond of the topic on how to make the gimmick deck box (already mention by someone earlier).

8 out of 10!!

Message: Posted by: bugjack (May 26, 2006 2:56am)
I have a question. I've seen Card Leap (which is apparently a re-titled Lin's Leap) performed at Tannen's. I wasn't the person the trick was directed towards, but I thought of a card anyway, a different one than the subject picked... and when the trick was over, I felt like it wasn't that great because by "playing along" I felt that the trick's secret was exposed.

Does anyone know if the same thing would happen with Strange Travelers? (I realize I'm being vague here, but those who know the trick will know what I am saying.) Is it something you need to worry about doing in a group?
Message: Posted by: DavidF (May 26, 2006 4:54am)
I know what you mean.I tend to ask someone to think of a card then turn my back whilst he tells everyone else the card he has though of.Then ask everyone to concentrate on that card and nothing else.That way you shouldnt get the problem you are talking about.
Message: Posted by: jayp (May 26, 2006 5:36am)
I cant wait to recieve this, its been 2 weeks already (stupid airmail shipping!) at least it will be a nice suprise when it does come, especially since all the reviews seems to be pretty positive.

Message: Posted by: da5id (May 26, 2006 10:58am)
Quote:

On 2006-05-26 02:56, bugjack wrote:
I have a question. I've seen Card Leap (which is apparently a re-titled Lin's Leap) performed at Tannen's. I wasn't the person the trick was directed towards, but I thought of a card anyway, a different one than the subject picked... and when the trick was over, I felt like it wasn't that great because by "playing along" I felt that the trick's secret was exposed.

Does anyone know if the same thing would happen with Strange Travelers? (I realize I'm being vague here, but those who know the trick will know what I am saying.) Is it something you need to worry about doing in a group?


Yes it can have that problem, but presentation can deal with it. I focus on the spectator doing the choosing and make her choose quickly (the same problem can happen even with one spectator if they are undecisive).
Message: Posted by: larrylegal (May 26, 2006 6:08pm)
Is this the same effect as Crossing Over? This effect is advertised at Hank Lee's and at least 1 another shop I saw online. The description sounds the same, except there are only 10 cards used instead of 20, so the presentation is that there are 2 poker hands, and this is the reason why you shouldn't play cards with a magician. Does anyone know how this effect compares to Strange Travlers?
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (May 26, 2006 7:43pm)
Crossing over..isn't that a Daryl effect?
Message: Posted by: Mad Jake (May 26, 2006 8:29pm)
I recieved mine yesterday, funny though I have this already, it's called Crossing Over by Howard Baltus at the Trickery. The only real difference I see is the routine booklet that came with it. Seems like the gaff is indentical to the one used in Crossing Over that was released some 2 1/2 years ago.

Jake
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (May 27, 2006 6:51am)
Whoa!
Message: Posted by: jezza (May 27, 2006 1:46pm)
I got his today and the only flaw I have is with the gimmick , on 1st inspection I thought it didn't look right and after performing once to my son who immediatly said HEY look at that weird card ??? so I gave it a try to my sister who is a magic lover and loves all my card magic and will give honest opinion and she said it was good but there was most definately an odd looking card .
Im a regular worker and I really cant see me having the confidence in this gimmick fooling anyone which is a shame as I love the idea and I love Paul Harris magic
Message: Posted by: Mad Jake (May 27, 2006 1:59pm)
I have the same problem with mine, I performed the Paul Harris version first and had several friends and family members say the same thing. Later that evening I peformed Crossing Over, which originaly used this gaff and it went over without question. I love Pauls work, but this one in my opinion missed the boat so to speak and the original idea and gaff by Howard is much better in my opinion.

Jake
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (May 27, 2006 2:17pm)
I have had absolutely no problem with the gimmick. I haven't used a table for the effect yet and have thus far only used in the hand spreads. It works perfectly and nobody has called me out on the discrepancy. You really do not see it unless you're suspicious of it in the first place. My second point would be that both Mad Jake and jezza has tried out the effect on friends and family, these are the people who when you perform for you would really need to pull out your magician foolers because before you even start the effect they are already suspicious and trying to sniff out the method. Your family and friends are your biggest critics because in a sense they will view your effects like a magician and not a layperson. Try this effect out on people who do not know that you are a magician and then you'll see how hard this effect hits. Another tip is this often time applies to drunk and high people. They are not easily misdirected and will often burn you. In situations like this I result to performing foolproof and angleproof effects like the hopping halves. Kills them every time.
Message: Posted by: Cody S. Fisher (May 27, 2006 2:20pm)
I do not have the Paul Harris version...so I can not comment on the gaff...but I am sure that manuscript and ideas from Paul are worth every penny!

On the other hand performed "crossing over" for several years...its a well construced routine...very simple...easy for laymen to follow...and no one has ever commented on the gaff.

I hope this helps,
Cody S. Fisher


Message: Posted by: daffydoug (May 27, 2006 2:48pm)
Quote:

On 2006-05-27 13:46, jezza wrote:
I got his today and the only flaw I have is with the gimmick , on 1st inspection I thought it didn't look right and after performing once to my son who immediatly said HEY look at that weird card ??? so I gave it a try to my sister who is a magic lover and loves all my card magic and will give honest opinion and she said it was good but there was most definately an odd looking card .
Im a regular worker and I really cant see me having the confidence in this gimmick fooling anyone which is a shame as I love the idea and I love Paul Harris magic


I did this: I took a matching card as the one on the gimmick (next to the King) and glued it on in the exact same position...a little trimming with scissors, and ZAM! looks perfect now!
Message: Posted by: Mad Jake (May 27, 2006 5:40pm)
Kind of curious why this is no mention or credit to Howard/The Trickery. The more I read the 2 routines over the more they look exactly alike but with extra cards.

Jake
Message: Posted by: fvdbeek (May 27, 2006 6:09pm)
So... an old effect with with a new pricetag ?


Frans
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (May 27, 2006 8:13pm)
Crossing Over is really a whole other effect due to its routine and patter. Strange Travelers is closer related to Card Leap. I believe that Crossing Over did not credit King Kards (I think that's the name of the original effect which Strange Travelers and Card Leap are based on). If anything, Strange Travelers is Card Leap but with a lower price tag since Card Leap costs $22. Strange Travelers also comes with instructions on constructing a gimmicked card box which is extremely useful.
Message: Posted by: tdowell (May 27, 2006 8:16pm)
Old effect...new pricetag.
Message: Posted by: Mad Jake (May 27, 2006 8:36pm)
I've looked at it again and agree with Todd, same effect, new price tag. Maybe it should be renamed "Crossing over with Strange Travelers".

Jake
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (May 27, 2006 9:59pm)
Shouldn't it be Strange Card Leap instead? I think Card Leap has a good 5-7 years on Crossing Over... or Crossing Stranger King Kard Leap (or whatever it is). Doesn't matter, it's good value considering the amount of gaffs you receive.
Message: Posted by: RandyM (May 28, 2006 2:11am)
Puzzles me how so many can get away with this type of selling. In fact lately there are many effects out with very little changes ,if any, and yet suppliers continue to promote them. Hopefully an originator will finally take someone into court and fry thier pants off. Maybe then it will cease.


RandyM
Message: Posted by: jezza (May 28, 2006 7:48am)
Quote:

On 2006-05-27 14:17, kissdadookie wrote:
I have had absolutely no problem with the gimmick. I haven't used a table for the effect yet and have thus far only used in the hand spreads. It works perfectly and nobody has called me out on the discrepancy. You really do not see it unless you're suspicious of it in the first place. My second point would be that both Mad Jake and jezza has tried out the effect on friends and family, these are the people who when you perform for you would really need to pull out your magician foolers because before you even start the effect they are already suspicious and trying to sniff out the method. Your family and friends are your biggest critics because in a sense they will view your effects like a magician and not a layperson. Try this effect out on people who do not know that you are a magician and then you'll see how hard this effect hits. Another tip is this often time applies to drunk and high people. They are not easily misdirected and will often burn you. In situations like this I result to performing foolproof and angleproof effects like the hopping halves. Kills them every time.

My friends and family are usually supportive of my magic and they are not out to bust me they just enjoy the magic (the reason my sister told me was she said she was just being honest and said its better she tells me than get busted when I'm at my next paying performance)
even though she still saw the gimmicked card she still said it was a strong piece of magic . I am going to customise the gimmicked card as some of the above posts have mentioned
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (May 28, 2006 4:15pm)
It's extremely easy to do...took me all of five minutes. Spray adhesive gives great results. Looks perfect if you use a little care.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (May 28, 2006 8:22pm)
Hi Jake. I've spoken to Howard about this at length. In retrospect, the one thing missing from Strange Travelers is a notation of Howard's use of the one gaff card (please be clear though that this is a standard gaff that has been used for a very long to make a card vanish...well before Crossing Over was released).

First, the basic effect and method of Strange Travelers goes way way way back. The earliest Paul could track it was about 75 years ago to Hardin..as performed by Leipzig. It was all there... exept the counting of the cards. Paul gives full credit in the booklet (the idea is rumored to go back even earlier to Hofzinzer though Paul could not confirm that).

Then in the fifties or early sixties a minor "modern" variation was published called Mentalogie. This basically added the card counting aspect. Paul received permission from the current owner of the rights of Mentalogie to add this basic enhancement to Strange Travelers.

At that point four or five exact copies of Mentalogie sprung up..all with different names. None of them gave any credit to Mentalogie..or the Hardin effect on which it was based. Years later, minor variations and exact copies of Mentalogie are still popping up. At last count Paul had about six people claiming credit for this effect..all of which are exactly the same or almost the same as the original effect..again with most not giving credits to the originator or its history.

Crossing over is in the same boat. It is a variation of the same classic effect...with zero credits given to anyone. Howard added the one simple idea of the split card gaff for the vanish... something Paul independently hit upon. It's hot a huge leap but Howard does in fact deserve recognition for this.

Paul did credit it back as far as he could find. During Paul's, and others research, Crossing over was not uncovered. Down the road if the effect is re- printed he'll add a credit to Howard for using the split gaff in this context first.

Basically what Paul is selling is not a new effect. He never claimed it was a new effect. He was very clear on it being a revised classic. What Paul is presenting is one of David Blaine's favorite routines with some touches and additions to clean up some of the discrepancies, problems, etc.of past routines. In short, he's given a GREAT workable strong routine with great thorough instructions. Including a few truly practical way to start and finish clean.

Paul spoke with Howard as soon as he discovered Crossing Over (Strange Travelers was already printed) and at that time Howard advised Paul that he was fine with the situation...it was a minor thing..not many people knew about Crossing Over..and to come up with the split card idea was not an earth shattering thing. Howard has since changed his mind. Unfortunately he does not offer any crediting whatsoever nor deal with the discrepancies. In playing with Crossing Over, I advised Howard if you switch 2 cards around you eliminated a large discrepancy but he was not interested. Howard advised it worked for him as is. I am sure it does but I am sure some will get busted and I am sure some audiences might have a cue that "something" is out of place.

Paul has cleared up some of the discrepancies of this classic effect (and many subsequent variations), made the routine more manageable, and really laid it out in more detail and with more thought than anything I have seen in the past (including crediting). Just because a similar gaff is used in both routines does not make it the same. Certainly Howard should have been recognized on the one gaff...as noted above, Paul will do his best to rectify this in the future.

I just showed both routines to two very knowledgeable working magicians who see every major magic release and they felt that the routines were different and that Strange Travelers' was the best routine of this type that they had seen as it clearly examined and dealt with the discrepancies, cleaned up a lot of the handling that might scare some (or at least cue a spectator--- even if subliminally), and laid it all out. My personal opinion is that the limited number of cards in Crossing Over opens up the "discrepancy" issue further. Obviously though we all have our preferences..You should use what works best for you. I just hate to see one creator knocked because of your possible ties to a competitive item and without truly acknowledging the differences which ARE important differences...and more important..not even giving credit to the true history of the effect. You can't ignore the facts to make a point.

David Blaine used Strange a minor variation of a seventy-five year old plus effect to get his first TV show...Paul cleaned up this classic power house so that just about anyone would be comfortable with it. That is what Paul has been honestly and openly offering.

Hope this clears up the situation.

Tim Trono
Message: Posted by: jezza (May 29, 2006 5:30am)
I beginning feel id be happier showing 10 cards and palming one off ,
Message: Posted by: zing82 (May 29, 2006 6:48am)
This is newsflash,

For those who had purchased this effect, the video is up already.

The URL can be found in the booklet.

N.A. download the mpeg version, its much clearer and there is no voice lag.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (May 29, 2006 5:16pm)
Tim, thank you for that very clear and well thought out clarification.

I LOVE this effect, and with my remade gaff, I am going to have this in my pocket at al times, and perform it till the cards wear out.

thanks paul Harris! (wherever you are)
Message: Posted by: jezza (May 30, 2006 6:24am)
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On 2006-05-29 17:16, daffydoug wrote:
Tim, thank you for that very clear and well thought out clarification.

I LOVE this effect, and with my remade gaff, I am going to have this in my pocket at al times, and perform it till the cards wear out.

thanks paul Harris! (wherever you are)


Exactly the same here now I have a remade gaff I am happy with it
I would give this effect 10 out of 10 but it gets 9 because of the weak gaff

Thanks Paul Harris a true creative genius
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (May 30, 2006 7:58pm)
Ya' know...that gaff is one in which I have seen in many variations in several effects I have purchased over the years.

Each and every time, I took one look at it and said "this will never fool anyone. It's too obvious." So I remade them as described above, and never had a problem after that. I suppose I'm just a pefectionist. But it's like Paul Harris who once said he wouldn't pencil dot a card because he would be worrying in the back of his mind if anyone would spot the dot.
Message: Posted by: J. Rose (May 31, 2006 2:43am)
Havn't got caught with the gaff, maybe because I was doing it the Blaine Hand Spread way.

Anyways, The trick is awesome, but just like what others have said...I'll give it a 9 out of 10 because of the weak gaff, but everything else is performed and cleanly. I Don't think Ima going to do the table version, Ima stick with standing. Harris, you ROCK!
Message: Posted by: indomagic (May 31, 2006 2:59am)
I just not feel convinced with the counting process at beginning . Otherwise it should be strong effect.
Message: Posted by: serge storms (May 31, 2006 10:33pm)
The booklet mentions that you don't need to do the counting process, in fact they state that Lepzig (I think they said,) never even did the counting portion when he did it. I have already made my alteration to the gimmick and was interested to see I wasn't the only one. You can't be too careful.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Jun 1, 2006 5:30pm)
How does it look now that you improved it?
Message: Posted by: serge storms (Jun 1, 2006 8:28pm)
Looks good - I've done it about half a dozen times for some people. I did cut the amount of cards down though. I only use 10 total cards (5 to them 5 to me) easier to handle and works well that way for me.
Idea also for those that want to carry it in the card box but still be able to use the deck for other things.
I have the bottom 10 cards set up for travelers. Then some regular cards make up the middle of the deck set up for card warp.
then near the top of the deck I have the cards for twisted sisters and the cards for color monte.
With this I'm set to be able to pull any of them off and put them back into a "regular deck" but at the same time set to do multiple tricks if desired all aout of the same "regular" card box.
This of course can be switched out for a "real" regular deck with matching color if wanted.
This way, if you're like me you hate carrying a box that's really only good for "the one" trick.
This way you've got a bunch of "packet" type tricks all in the same box without them looking like packet tricks.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Jun 2, 2006 5:49am)
Great idea!
Message: Posted by: Philippe (Jun 2, 2006 8:15am)
Is there not a dem on a dealers web, I thought I had seen one somewhere?
Message: Posted by: TheTableTopTrixta (Jun 2, 2006 8:21am)
Does anyone agree the demo is really bad!!!

still love the effect though -
Message: Posted by: gandolf (Jun 2, 2006 4:20pm)
Tim Trono, in another post, said this was NOT a demo, rather an exposed version to assist those who had purchased the effect.

The video has been taken down.
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Jun 2, 2006 11:53pm)
The demo was not helpful at all as the instructions pretty much gives you a clear understanding of everything. It's written for laymen for goodness sakes. Can't get easier then that.
Message: Posted by: Illucifer (Jun 3, 2006 12:54pm)
Okay, so what's the deal with the video?
Every time I visit the link, it says Video Clip Coming Soon.

Look, if you're going to offer a link to a video demonstration as a bonus for purchasers, then please have something up for them to view. This has been out for a month and still no video.
Come on, guys.
Message: Posted by: bugjack (Jun 3, 2006 1:00pm)
The video was out and the link posted here on this board, and a bunch of us commented that it didn't look good and that the method was too easily reviewed. It was then posted that the video was intended to reveal the method as a way of instruction and it got taken down. I'm sure they'll find some way to get it back up, but it needs to be behind some kind of password-protected firewall so it can't be viewed as a demo, which it's not intended for.
Message: Posted by: Illucifer (Jun 3, 2006 1:12pm)
Why it wasn't posted with a password for people who purchased the effect right from the beginning is a mystery to me.
Message: Posted by: jayp (Jun 3, 2006 1:35pm)
Well...it didn't really need a password because as far as I know the only way to know the link was to own the booklet, unfortunately people put that link into the public domain, hence why it was taken down.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Jun 3, 2006 2:05pm)
Sharks! Feeding frenzy!!!!!!!
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jun 4, 2006 6:16pm)
Quote:

On 2006-06-03 14:05, daffydoug wrote:
Sharks! Feeding frenzy!!!!!!!


Start chumming!!!

We may need a bigger boat!
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Jun 7, 2006 9:10pm)
Can you say "Jaws' boys and girls? I knew you could!
Message: Posted by: Ethan (Jun 7, 2006 9:32pm)
Has anyone performed this to a group and if so have you had any difficulties created by specs other than the one you are asking to mentally select a card also mentally selecting a card? Seems to me a very strong effect on a one to one but has difficulties when being performed to a group such as a table of 4. Only just had it so maybe I'm missing something.
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Jun 8, 2006 5:28am)
There are a lot of effects like that. Such as "Limited Edition" same problem there!
Message: Posted by: bugjack (Jun 8, 2006 10:42am)
Hi Ethan,

This was demo'd for another customer at a magic store and I experienced the same problem you are asking about -- I thought of another card.
Message: Posted by: Ethan (Jun 8, 2006 11:21am)
Quote:

On 2006-06-08 10:42, bugjack wrote:
Hi Ethan,

This was demo'd for another customer at a magic store and I experienced the same problem you are asking about -- I thought of another card.


Yeah as far as I can tell it's a major problem for anything other than on a one to one. I can't see me using this table hopping.
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Jun 8, 2006 10:01pm)
You can easily remedy it by using the following patter: "Remember the card that you are immediately attracted too" while spreading and then to have a little extra security "Have you secured it? Good." There's only a few cards for them to look at and remember so selecting the card should be relatively quick. It's not like a Mind Power Deck where there's a full deck for them to go through. This way other onlookers really are not prepared to follow along.
Message: Posted by: magico (Jun 9, 2006 12:36am)
How about this. Set up (David's method) - Count out the twenty cards, placing the remainder of the deck in your left jacket pocket. Proceed as normal up to the point where you show the spectators card is gone. Place those cards into your left jacket pocket. Now, have the spectator count their cards face down onto your hand. They find eleven cards. Ask the spectator the name of their card, as you spread the cards faces toward you. Remove the named card and show it to the spectator as you place the other cards into your left jacket pocket. After the card is shown place it with the other cards into your left jacket pocket. With the proper pocket management you would be reset to repeat the effect.
Message: Posted by: TomasB (Jun 9, 2006 5:39am)
I'm a bit confused. Don't most ads say that David did this trick on his latest TV special? I didn't see it there...

/Tomas
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Jun 9, 2006 6:08am)
Things got a little screwed up somewhere along the line.
Message: Posted by: Ethan (Jun 9, 2006 6:49am)
Quote:

On 2006-06-09 00:36, magico wrote:
How about this. Set up (David's method) - Count out the twenty cards, placing the remainder of the deck in your left jacket pocket. Proceed as normal up to the point where you show the spectators card is gone. Place those cards into your left jacket pocket. Now, have the spectator count their cards face down onto your hand. They find eleven cards. Ask the spectator the name of their card, as you spread the cards faces toward you. Remove the named card and show it to the spectator as you place the other cards into your left jacket pocket. After the card is shown place it with the other cards into your left jacket pocket. With the proper pocket management you would be reset to repeat the effect.


Yeah some nice thinking there but it doesn't really deal with the main issue. THe main problem comes when the spec has thought of a card and you show it has disappeared. If another spec has also thought of a card there is a problem here. Your idea does resolve the second but lesser issue though.
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On 2006-06-08 22:01, kissdadookie wrote:
You can easily remedy it by using the following patter: "Remember the card that you are immediately attracted too" while spreading and then to have a little extra security "Have you secured it? Good." There's only a few cards for them to look at and remember so selecting the card should be relatively quick. It's not like a Mind Power Deck where there's a full deck for them to go through. This way other onlookers really are not prepared to follow along.

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Since you only have 10 cards I don't think you can reasonably rush them too much and short of hiding the cards from the rest of the specs which would look highly suspect, or performing it in such a way the rest of the specs are not really interested, there is little you can do to ensure none of them look and think of their own card.
Message: Posted by: magico (Jun 9, 2006 7:19am)
Quote:

On 2006-06-09 06:49, Ethan wrote:
Quote:

On 2006-06-09 00:36, magico wrote:
How about this. Set up (David's method) - Count out the twenty cards, placing the remainder of the deck in your left jacket pocket. Proceed as normal up to the point where you show the spectators card is gone. Place those cards into your left jacket pocket. Now, have the spectator count their cards face down onto your hand. They find eleven cards. Ask the spectator the name of their card, as you spread the cards faces toward you. Remove the named card and show it to the spectator as you place the other cards into your left jacket pocket. After the card is shown place it with the other cards into your left jacket pocket. With the proper pocket management you would be reset to repeat the effect.


Yeah some nice thinking there but it doesn't really deal with the main issue. THe main problem comes when the spec has thought of a card and you show it has disappeared. If another spec has also thought of a card there is a problem here. Your idea does resolve the second but lesser issue though.


Sent you a PM
Message: Posted by: bugjack (Jun 9, 2006 4:32pm)
Ellusionist has put up a complete demo that pretty much demonstrates the strengths and weaknesses of the effect.

http://elusionist.com/audio/Strange.Travelers.vX.mov
Message: Posted by: jayp (Jun 9, 2006 5:35pm)
Apart from they have the setup wrong don't they...think of the 8 of spades
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Jun 9, 2006 9:47pm)
You're not really rushing the specs. The beauty is that you imply that they quickly look at one and because all the direction is directed at one spec nobody else really catches on. It's like a lot of things in Psychological Subtleties. You imply it instead of giving them straight instructions. This is not a long elaborate effect. It's simple and quick but it's very strong. This may be a reason why this landed Blaine his first special, because it's a very direct and strong piece of magic. You don't stand there explaining all the details and workings and what not. It's basically "here, put these ten cards away, great. Now, I have 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 cards, think of one, got it? Great." and you do your business, show them your cards and point at wherever they are holding their cards and go "Now you have eleven, check it out, the card you were thinking of is in there."
Message: Posted by: Ethan (Jun 9, 2006 9:50pm)
Yep your right it's set up wrong.

Oh and Magico, I've replied to you.
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Jun 9, 2006 9:53pm)
Let me also add, you're not trying to hide the cards from anybody. You're basically dealing with one spec for this effect. You're not standing or sitting there going "Ladies and gentleman, in my hand I have ten cards, count along with me, 1, 2, 3..." The manuscript pretty much explains everything and everything that the spec should know is subtlely. implied. You're just focussing on that one spec. If you want to allow the other bystanders to understand what has just transpired then after you put your packet away and tell the spec holding the other packet that they now have eleven cards you can just non chalantly explain everything that has just happened.
Message: Posted by: jbayme (Jun 11, 2006 2:30am)
Good catch-- fixed. It truly is a great effect-- I've performed the routine quite a bit in the past few weeks to great response. Highly recommended as a solid close-up, in-the-hands routine.

// j.bayme
Message: Posted by: Ethan (Jun 11, 2006 4:40am)
Quote:

On 2006-06-09 21:47, kissdadookie wrote:
You're not really rushing the specs.


Fine if you don't rush the specs and you ask one of them to mentally select a card, then chances are more than one spec will mentally select a card and you now have a problem when you come to the part where you go through the cards to show the main spec his card has gone. What part of this do you disagree with?
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Jun 11, 2006 11:33am)
I don't really see the problem as I've performed this with groups over two dozen times now and have not encountered the problem. I've demoed it at my local shop as well and customers purchased it each and every time after the demo. I just don't understand how some might encounter this problem unless they are performing for a group of magicians who are grilling them (which this effect is obviously not made for). The gimmick packet really isn't in play and shouldn't be in play all that long. I gimmicked the box as per the instructions and the gimmicked packet always goes back in its place right after they are no longer needed while I continue to patter. It's on the off beat and there's really no heat on you gimmick packet at that point as everybody is more focussed on what the spectator now holds. When I take the ungimmicked packet back from the spectator I also take the rest of the deck out of the same case and if people wanted to check they could to their hearts content but I haven't had anybody who actualy wanted to check the cards, it's just not in the laymens mental realm of possibility that their could be such gimmicks unless someone exposed it to them before.
Message: Posted by: Ethan (Jun 11, 2006 12:01pm)
Ok lets take this a step at a time.

1.You show 10 cards to your spec and ask them to mentally select one of them.

I propose at this point that other specs other than the one you ask to select a card are likely to look and select their own card. Are you saying this does not happen?

2. You tell them that their mentally selected card has vanished from your deck, you now show nine cards and go through them to show that their card is missing. At this point the other spectators that have mentally chosen their own card will be looking for their own card and guess what it's not there either.

Now the only way to stop this happening is to not let the other spectators see the cards when one is being chosen. Which would be impractical unless you have come up with some very clever reason, why no one else is allowed to look?

Please explain how you can perform this without any risk of that happening and yet without appearing to unnecessarily hiding anything?
Message: Posted by: bugjack (Jun 11, 2006 12:19pm)
Hi Ethan,

I'd be surprised if you get a good answer to that last question. I think it's just the flaw of the trick and you have to do it either one on one or misdirect the audience away from looking at the cards. I will say, picking another card myself and seeing it gone as well put me off buying the trick when it was demo'd.

Incidentally, the demo I saw was of "Card Leap" at Tannen's, which is basically the same effect. As others have noted, "Astral Projection" and "Red Sea Passover" are similar or the same as well. For whatever reason, this trick seems to have withstood the test of time as some many different versions and handlings have been released. Some people must like it.

For me, though, it was a little underwhelming, and I think the Ellusionist demo is pretty accurate. I watched it to give the trick a second chance and, again, I was underwhelmed.
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Jun 11, 2006 12:28pm)
I really honestly have not encountered other spectators actually playing along and remembering a card as well. I really do not see this as being a risk as I've done this in the hands and spreads on at table. Let's say for the sake of argument that another spectator does see a card and the card does appear in the 11 card packet. That's still a pretty good chance that their thought of card is in there from mere coincidence as the probability is relatively high (about 1:5). If you're directed at just one spectator then the cards really are not in play long enough for everybody else to look at it and try to remember a card for themselves. Let's say you are counting your packet to the one spectator, there's no implication that they are to remember a card yet so really nobody should be trying to remember a card at that time. Worrying about the risks here about others remembering a card as well really boils down to a magicians mindset and not that of a spectator. It reminds me of the concern about a certain gaff looking unauthentic (which I also have not had a problem with except for on the table spreads but I usually do not do the on the table spreads). You know what, let all this nitpicking rest and just go out and perform for lay audiences and you'll see what I mean. :) If we all perform so that we can satisfy ourselves with our technical accomplishments and absolutely flawless and technically perfect effects then performing magic would not be performing anymore and instead become masta**tory acts (had to use that phrasing as I've just finished both Derren Brown books, excellent material there).
Message: Posted by: Ethan (Jun 11, 2006 1:29pm)
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On 2006-06-11 12:28, kissdadookie wrote:
Worrying about the risks here about others remembering a card as well really boils down to a magicians mindset and not that of a spectator. It reminds me of the concern about a certain gaff looking unauthentic (which I also have not had a problem with except for on the table spreads but I usually do not do the on the table spreads). You know what, let all this nitpicking rest and just go out and perform for lay audiences and you'll see what I mean. :)


You wrongly assume I don't perform this for lay people. Actually I do perform a version of this effect and I regularily have other specs also note a card, so I'm not speaking from theory but from practise. In my version it actually doesn't matter but in this version it does. Clearly from the post before yours we have another case of a spec albeit a magician in this case that chose their own card. Bottom line if you fan out the cards and ask a spec to mentally select one, and it's in view of other specs, they WILL select one. With this effect that does cause a problem. Therefore this effect is better suited to a one on one situation. Just my opinion, others can make their own choice but at least they will now be aware of the situation.
Message: Posted by: bugjack (Jun 11, 2006 1:51pm)
"Bottom line if you fan out the cards and ask a spec to mentally select one, and it's in view of other specs, they WILL select one. With this effect that does cause a problem. Therefore this effect is better suited to a one on one situation. Just my opinion, others can make their own choice but at least they will now be aware of the situation."

I agree with the above. It's just human nature -- people want to participate in an effect themselves and will naturally play along. I wasn't doing it to bust the magician demo'ing the effect, I just wanted to experience it for myself.

Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Jun 11, 2006 1:52pm)
Have you had laymen specs other than the one who's holding the normal packet mentally select one as well? I've had this effect since it came out and it's been performed dozens of times in group situations (mostly table hopping) and have not been busted on it. I too am speaking from experience. Try performing this exact effect on laypeople in a working environment and you'll see how all of this becomes a non issue ;)
Message: Posted by: Ethan (Jun 11, 2006 2:45pm)
Kissdadookie, what you are saying is that you fan out the cards and ask a spectator to mentally select one and it's in view of other spectators and none of the other spectators ever mentally select one for themselves. Is that correct?
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Jun 11, 2006 3:50pm)
Yup. The issues you guys have brought up really has never crossed my mind because I never analyze the effects which I purchase. Usually if I read the description or watch a demo once and grabs me I will purchase it. I guess I'm a little strange as most other magicians I know would analyze an effect to the bare bones before they purchase it. I guess I think and view things like a layman thus the issue of going along with the effect as a bystander never crossed my mind and has never crossed my mind since because nobody as of yet has given me the problems which you guys are pointing out. I can foresee this being an issue if there are members in your audience who are watching you closely trying to figure things out and trying to bust you they really would not follow along as closely as you guys believe. In the end, if you REALLY REALLY fear the problem which you have suggested then it's best to routine this effect so that you present it after you have presented some other effects thus securing the trust of your audience because then even the cynical ones will be more off guard.
Message: Posted by: Ethan (Jun 11, 2006 6:34pm)
This has nothing to do with trust, It has something to do with spectators wanting to be involved. In fact I could suggest the only reason I can imagine your specs not bothering to participate and play along by choosing their own card, is you have not aroused sufficient interest in them to be bothered. I'm not saying this is the case, but it is certainly one possibility.
Also I'm not analysing it, I'm going on experience. I do perform a version of this effect, in fact it starts exactly the same and I noticed quite often other specs would also choose a card, in my version this does not matter and I took advantage of this fact and now actually ask them to choose a card as well.
Why when you fan out the cards and ask a spec to mentally select one,none of your other specs are bothered to play along and do the same, I really don't know. The fact they don't works well for you in this routine, to anyone else thinking of purchasing this effect and planning to perform to groups, be aware that it is an issue if any other spec mentally chooses a card while your asking one particular spectator to choose one.
So if you think that when you fan out the cards and ask a spec to mentally select one, other specs may also mentally select one, you will have a problem performing this effect to a group. If you think that other spectators won't be interested in choosing their own card and will just watch passively to see the outcome on the one spec you choose, then this should work fine.
Of course I think we can all agree that on a one to one it is very powerful.
Anyhow I feel we are now going around in circles so unless someone brings something new to the topic I think I've said enough.
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Jun 11, 2006 7:14pm)
I've never really tried to involve the entire group when performing this effect as the plot only required myself and another individual. Maybe my performance is flawed. It's kind of silly going back and forth with this but I'm just curious, for those of you who actually perform this for laypeople in walk around/table hopping, have you guys encountered the problem of other laymen spectators busting you on this or picking out a card for themselves as well?
Message: Posted by: Craig Petty (Jun 12, 2006 4:15am)
I think it depends on your performance style. The way I work I try to involve the whole group I am performing to. I find this the best approach in my commercial work as the places I work want to see everyone get involved not just one or two. If I involve everyone with this effect there is a VERY GOOD chance that someone else (other than the main spectator)will think of a card. This is just human nature, people are curious especially people that have never seen close up magic before and they want to try to get involved themselves. If you present this routine openly saying stuff like "look at these ten cards and think of one of them anyone" etc I think you will have a problem. Even if it does not happen with every performance when it does happen you are kinda stuffed. If 2 people think of a card and both cards vanish yet you show nine cards in the packet instead of eight things are going to go wrong. There is really nowhere to go. Therefore the only solution is to hide the cards from eveyone else (which looks bad), make sure other spectators are not interested in seeing the cards (which means they aren't bothering in watching the trick - not a good idea), or hope that it doesn't happen (which doesn't appeal to me). Bottom line the trick has problems which I would not like to deal with.

Craig P
Message: Posted by: seigeman (Jun 12, 2006 7:37am)
The simple truth here is that one-on-one type effects CAN be performed in front of others. It is SO simple to direct this effect at one person in a table-hopping situation. And their own reaction to the result is fantastic enough to resound amongst the other onlookers.

I really can't see the problem here... it's simple to comprehend if you've grasped basic spectator control and direction. I am in agreement with kisadookie here... although the issue of more than one spectator thinking of a card in a group situation has crossed my mind, it is very simple to adapt this effect to work with just one person from a group, if your patience for the reward is sufficient.

It's comparable to for instance, a mentalism situation. And the old 'What if...?' scenario.

OK, so yes, there's what appears to be an inherent flaw with this effect, due to its mechanism. But actually directing your attention and instruction to a specific spectator can, you will discover, be rewarding for not just this effect but many more.

The fact that you don't disclose WHAT is going to happen until near the end of the effect is key. And also, the fact that you are SO far ahead of the spectators in terms of the effects' self-working properties gives you AMPLE opportunity to ham this one up and build the presentation.

My own personal opinion is that this effect is extremely powerful when performed one-to-one. And equally as baffling when performed to multiple spectators.

Quite honestly, if you've bought this and can't muster either the confidence or flexibility to perform this to a small crowd, then I'm afraid you're really not trying too hard, and you're missing out.

Experience counts for a lot here, and magicians with a few years of performances and spectator management skills under their belts will surely concur that if something doesn't feel right, then don't perform it. But just because it's not right for one individual doesn't mean that the more creative and intuitive magician won't be able to use it to great advantage.
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Jun 12, 2006 10:24am)
I think seigeman's rationale with mentalism is how I approached as I perform mostly close-up mentalism which usually deals directly in a one on one situation.
Message: Posted by: Ethan (Jun 13, 2006 9:02pm)
Quote:

On 2006-06-12 07:37, seigeman wrote:
The simple truth here is that one-on-one type effects CAN be performed in front of others. It is SO simple to direct this effect at one person in a table-hopping situation. And their own reaction to the result is fantastic enough to resound amongst the other onlookers.

I really can't see the problem here...


Yeah your right it is possible to direct the effect at one person and rely on that persons reaction to resound amongst the onlookers, however this in of itself creates problems. If you are working tables you will be used to involving everyone, because that works best. Sure you can perform in such a way that the rest of the specs don't feel part of it and instead are feeling more of an audience, but do you really want to create this divide? Personally I don't. You have however highlighted that this is really a problem with this effect because I have argued this is better suited to a one on one situation. You are arguing that it is fine for a group but then suggest you need to play it to one spectator and in effect treat the rest as an audience to the effect. It's better in most cases to get as many specs as possible emotionally involved by making them part of it.
Further in order to acheive this you would either be forced to use this effect as an opener or only use effects that use this divide method of presentation. If you involved the whole group and then did this effect where you now wanted only one spectator to be actively involved and the rest passive, you would be making the job that much harder.

As an aside to all that, even directed to one spectator, when you fan out the cards and ask him to mentally select one, you can never be sure that none of the other spectators will play along and also mentally select one. Possibly if you've done a really good job of making them feel like they are not involved you may have a higher degree of success, though I personally wouldn't see it as success.

However if you feel that performing it in this way is right for you, go ahead, I'll stick with routines that directly get everyone invested in it and use this for the one to ones.
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Jun 13, 2006 10:29pm)
This thread has become a beaten dog don't you all think? To hopefully end this endless circle (how's that for contradictions) let's us perform or not perform this effect depending on how comfortable we are with it. If you're apprehensive about the suggested heat you may receive then let it be and if you don't find the heat to be a problem or don't find their to be heat then go out and perform it. Personally (and I guess that's a BIG PERSONALLY as really with any and all effects and routines) I don't use this as an opener because there's too much heat on there being gaffs involved and it's a bit harder to ditch the gaffs later. I use this as a closer to my card routines as something a little more intimate and the surprise ending to the effect is extremely strong and mysterious if played off correctly (of course this, again, depends on your style). I find this to be an excellent closer to card effects as you have clearly handled and most probably the spectators have handled what is a very fair and clean deck. Using the gaffed box you ring in the cards on the offbeat of "oops, I think we need a few more cards." If anything, your spectators are extremely suspicious of tricky moves and sleights which honestly makes this a very clean effect as the gaffs really do most if not all the work. That's just how I perform Strange Travelers and your mileage obviously may vary.
Message: Posted by: Jared (Jun 13, 2006 10:43pm)
This effect is really super for walk-around magic if you choose the deck method -there's zero reset.

As far as worrying if someone else is also thinking of a card- don't give them the opportunity! Keep the second spectator preoccupied with holding onto the other set of 10 cards. If a small group is watching- explain that you want just the participant to think of one of the cards.

And concerning the gimmick... much too much is being made of the quality. Instead try casually fanning the cards while counting from left to right using your finger as a pointer to bring their focus and attention to counting the cards then stop at the final card in the spread (the Ace of Hearts)to remind them not to choose the ace because it would be way too easy. A little audience management really brings this effect home.

-Jared


Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Jun 13, 2006 10:52pm)
Jared, your suggestion with a second spec holding the regular packet is exactly what I sometimes do as well! It works wonderfully and it helps with crowd control as if you spread the two spectators (one holding the other mentally selecting) just a bit apart so that they act as a impromptu "barrier" (that word is so negative but in reality that's what you're using them for) it creates enough space for your to do the effect with no worry about others remembering the card along with the person who's supposed to do the mental selection yet others have a clear view of all three of you. I agree with the gimmick quality. It works FINE. The same gaff has been used in other effects and there really is no problem with it (unless you're performing tabled, I try to avoid using the tabled variation because then the inconsistency is apparent). I never actually explain to my audience that I only want one person to mentally select the card because my directions are directed at that one person and it's subconciously implied that only that person is mentally selecting. Sometimes less is more.
Message: Posted by: Jared (Jun 13, 2006 11:23pm)
Kissdadookie,
Good take. Come to think of it I only mention the just one person selecting if others move in closer in an effort to try and participate in the selection process. The good news for others following this thread is that we both agree that the effect is strong and practical.

-Jared
Message: Posted by: GirlNamedLizzie (Jun 18, 2006 8:06am)
I'm sorry, but having now read the five pages of posts about Strange Travellers, and having seen the ever so slightly underwhelming performance on ellusionist.com, I now have no inclination to spend £15 on the effect - to obtain the necessary 9 special cards all I would have to do is delve in my desk drawers for the 8 of the gaffs, and quickly make up the ninth myself. David Blaine must be turning over in his grave...(or wherever he sleeps these days)
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Jun 18, 2006 10:56am)
That's not a problem GirlNamedLizzie! It just means less people performing this! :)
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Jun 18, 2006 5:58pm)
Quote:

On 2006-06-18 08:06, GirlNamedLizzie wrote:
David Blaine must be turning over in his grave...(or wherever he sleeps these days)


I doubt it. He's probably not even aware of you. Like most of us here.
James
Message: Posted by: GirlNamedLizzie (Jun 19, 2006 8:18am)
Quote:


I doubt it. He's probably not even aware of you. Like most of us here.
James

Ho ho! Its like wit! Only not sharp! Ho ho!
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (Jun 19, 2006 9:07pm)
Maybe he lurks here...we never know. And really, I don't care!
Message: Posted by: Ethan (Jun 20, 2006 6:14am)
Daffy, I think that he should be she, at least based on my highly evolved detective skills and the fact her name is "girlnamedlizzie"
Message: Posted by: discjockey (Jun 26, 2006 11:08pm)
I just recieved Strange Travelers in the mail 2 days ago and I have been practicing it non stop. I just performed it for my neighbor who is a pretty tough cookie to crack and this one got him badly. I absolutely LOVE this effect. Everything about it is so clean and straightforward. At no point in the routine are you hiding anything. Its basically a "test conditions" type effect.

That being said, I will offer a few more words. The instructions seemed like they were written for someone who has never performed card magic before. I am convinced of this because they explain what a pinkey break is and how to properly excecute one. So that means they could have shortened the instruction booklet by about 5 pages. None the less, every detail is explained.

Two versions are explained, plus a way of gimmicking your card case to help out in the routine.

Overall, this is DEFINATELY the best purchase I have made in a long time. The last card trick that I bought that was this good was probably Double Back. I would rate this a 9.75. Only one slight drawback is the examinablilty, due to the gimmick being present.
Message: Posted by: Martin Pulman (Jun 28, 2006 2:15pm)
The demo video on ellusionist amounts to exposure. Don't these people understand the first thing about the art form they are dealing in?
Message: Posted by: DougNicols (Jun 28, 2006 3:12pm)
Agreed, it's really, really obvious how the trick works after watching that.

Quote:

On 2006-06-28 14:15, Martin Pulman wrote:
The demo video on ellusionist amounts to exposure. Don't these people understand the first thing about the art form they are dealing in?
Message: Posted by: fvdbeek (Jun 28, 2006 3:49pm)
But that video has been removed from the site a couple of weeks ago.
Message: Posted by: Zezenki (Jun 30, 2006 11:18pm)
Hey guys,

I got a big question. What happens when the gaffs begin to wear? Is there a place where I can buy just the gaffs or would I probably have to buy another Strange Travelers? For those of you who are wondering, yes, I have performed this a LOT in the last month.
Message: Posted by: kissdadookie (Jul 1, 2006 3:24am)
You can buy a supply enough to make a couple of sets for around $10.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 21, 2006 7:17pm)
This is getting some nice reviews. I am wondering after reading most of the posts here and reviews what the out is in case a spectator thinks of a different card?

Thanks

Candini
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 21, 2006 7:57pm)
There is a video demo of Crossing Over on The Trickery.com.
Message: Posted by: rmoraleta (Aug 1, 2006 11:01am)
Quote:

On 2006-06-30 23:18, Zezenki wrote:
Hey guys,

I got a big question. What happens when the gaffs begin to wear? Is there a place where I can buy just the gaffs or would I probably have to buy another Strange Travelers? For those of you who are wondering, yes, I have performed this a LOT in the last month.


I also would like to know. And, does anybody know how Nate Leipzig used to do it? Or the original Hardin method? Without the gimmicks that Paul Harris added, which I agree made the routine almost flawless.
Message: Posted by: JimMaloney (Aug 1, 2006 12:04pm)
Quote:
On 2006-08-01 11:01, rmoraleta wrote:
And, does anybody know how Nate Leipzig used to do it? Or the original Hardin method? Without the gimmicks that Paul Harris added, which I agree made the routine almost flawless.


Both Leipzig's and Hardin's handlings are detailed in "The Art of Magic", though it's worth noting that they didn't do it as a "Cards Across".

-Jim
Message: Posted by: rmoraleta (Aug 1, 2006 1:18pm)
Thanks Jim!

Is this the T. Nelson Down's book?
Message: Posted by: JimMaloney (Aug 1, 2006 10:14pm)
Quote:

On 2006-08-01 13:18, rmoraleta wrote:
Is this the T. Nelson Down's book?


Yes.

-Jim
Message: Posted by: equivoque (Aug 9, 2006 9:01pm)
I liked this effect. I also like the Red Sea Passover but this is simpler to perform. In short, Red Sea Passover has more of a punch, but I will probably perform this effect more often due to the simplicity. For those that had a problem with the gimmick, I don't get it. Lay people will never see the gimmick.

I like the stand up with cards version best, something about taking cards out of a plastic wallet that I have never liked. Most effects that use this method (I assume that you knew the method the minute you read the description of the effect) suffer from the same shortcomings but if you count the nine cards into the spectator’s hands they will never suspect one of shortcomings. As opposed to methods in which you only spread the cards.

One tip that might work is to have one spectator (spectator one sp1) hold the packet that the selected card flies into and the other (spectator two-sp2) select the card. Spectator one also counts the cards as you spread them and sp2 “looks at the ten cards and quickly picks one.” Why would you do this? Well if the same spectator counts and selects the cards they might say, “Wow, not only did the card I select fly across, so did the one I almost selected.” If you don’t think this will happen you are fooling yourself. I have used this method and people really like it.

I would avoid the suggested method for “guessing” which card would be selected by the spectator. Even though Blaine gets it right 80% of the time. (If you practice, so will you) Why? Well, if you are wrong not only are you wrong - but how do you explain how the card you “guessed” at flew across as well? Face it, you don’t have a street magic TV special and you can’t edit out the bad takes!

Some good ideas for ending clean are included. The starting clean ideas are good, but I would rather do a simple deck switch

I give it a 7 out of 10 and would buy it again. The directions are well written and the product is well worth $20. Buy it write a good patter and make it your own. For a small investment you will have a big miracle…
Message: Posted by: Review King (Jun 24, 2007 1:24am)
It's been a year now, for those using this, what are your thoughts?
Message: Posted by: The Great Stevini (Feb 27, 2008 4:40pm)
A year and a half now. I'll say that I really enjoying performing Daryl's Double Crossed, which I gather is a similar effect albeit with two cards traveling. Crossed Thought was mentioned at the beginning of this thread and is the Daryl effect with one card.

Still curious about how Daryl's effects differ and whether it would be worth purchasing Strange Travelers. There was much discussion about other related effects, but not much about Daryl's.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jun 15, 2008 7:11am)
Anyone have this and Astral Projection to compare the two? Is the method similiar?
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jun 16, 2008 10:52pm)
As far as performance, it seems Astral Projection is better for having 3-4 spectators each think of a card.
Message: Posted by: Jamie D. Grant (Jun 16, 2008 10:55pm)
I love this effect! You can read about my thoughts...

HERE- Magic Friday/Strange Travelers

~jdg
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jun 17, 2008 9:39am)
Thanks Jamie. I like your column very much. :cool:
Message: Posted by: mentalguy (Jun 17, 2009 11:22am)
In regards to Card Leap from Tannen's , I feel like it could be a great effect; however, it comes with the WORST directions I have EVER read. I am spending hours deciphering what the instructions mean. When the instructions say "right" they really mean "left," when they talk about adding cards to the other hand they do not explain how, and the "photo of the set-up" is completely useless.

Worst of all, the salesperson (Dave) suggested that I buy Card Leap over Strange Travelers because it was clearer, more practical, and easier to understand! Talk about HORRIBLE customer service!

Not that typos are new in magic instructions, but Tannen's has taken it to an entirely new level.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Jun 17, 2009 3:45pm)
On the other hand, strange travellers instructions are perfect, as are the diagrams.
Message: Posted by: mentalguy (Jun 17, 2009 7:40pm)
Hey all,

Is there anyone that could help me figure out "Card Leap"? Because the instructions are horrendous, I am struggling and would appreciate any help.

I may be reached at epmagic@gmail.com.

Thank you SO much!
Message: Posted by: Joe Mauro (Mar 7, 2010 8:44am)
This was done on the very first David Blaine "Street Magic" special? I don't remember seeing it and can't dind a Youtube clip.
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Apr 23, 2012 3:48pm)
Here is David performing his signature trick:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2a8AcYyQvPY
Message: Posted by: daffydoug (May 1, 2012 8:43pm)
Thanks for the link!!
Message: Posted by: Silver Glove Magic (May 23, 2012 12:50am)
Just got this effect, and I absolutely LOVE it! This one is a keeper for sure!
Message: Posted by: Failed Magician (May 23, 2012 5:13am)
Yup, it is very strong for one-on-one session. Period.
Message: Posted by: magicHart (Jul 1, 2012 8:52pm)
While the effects are basically the same, the booklet of instructional material that comes with "strange travelers"
Is, in my option, the BEST instructional material that I have ever seen in a magic trick!