(Close Window) Topic: Slow Burn vs. Visibill vs. Hundy 500
Message: Posted by: magicman222 (Apr 12, 2003 5:35pm)
Which of these tricks would be a better money changing effect? Slow Burn is the cheapest and Hundy 500 is the most expensive. Are they angle proof? Thanks. :bluebikes:
Message: Posted by: Andrew E. Miller (Apr 12, 2003 6:36pm)
Hundy 500 is better for real world use and is angle proof. Slow Burn is really angly and the handling sucks in my honest opinion. Visibill you cannot compare to the others because it is a bill switch technique. Visibill is very good though.

Andrew
Message: Posted by: brainman (Apr 12, 2003 6:42pm)
...if you like visibill.. you perhaps also like my very visible bill-change effect:

Hypno-Bill

clip found Here!

best,
P
Message: Posted by: rowdymagi5 (Apr 12, 2003 7:20pm)
I do slow burn and I like it. Haven't had any angle problems at all.
Message: Posted by: afknight (Apr 12, 2003 8:04pm)
Nothing beats the reactions from Hundy 500. I also like the fact that the bills can be handled by the spectators, if you so choose.
Message: Posted by: Andrew E. Miller (Apr 12, 2003 8:12pm)
Quote:

On 2003-04-12 19:20, rowdymagi5 wrote:
I do slow burn and I like it. Haven't had any angle problems at all.

You may not have had trouble with it, but the angles are not good at all. This wouldn't work great if you were doing table-hopping unless you wanted to do the effect right up against your body and get all cozy. Hundy 500 is just plain better.

Andrew
Message: Posted by: Full Effect (Apr 14, 2003 12:11am)
I know both Slow burn and Hundy. I have no angle problems at all when doing Slow Burn at tables I also don't have to have the bill all up close on my body... you also can
"hand out the bills if you choose so" with Slow Burn.

Maybe you are having trouble with Slow burn and can't get the "angles" right..?

I don't understand how you can just say Hundy is just plain better because of it being "angle proof".

They are basically the same effect just with different handlings (different change).

Some people like apples some like oranges.
Are apples "just plain better" because you can bite right into it without peeling the skin like an orange?
Message: Posted by: Bobcape (Apr 14, 2003 10:47am)
I got both Hundy 500 and Slow Burn DVD's this weekend. I love them both and feel that they will both be great additions. I have a question for you Hundy 500 users. What denomination bills are you using? $100's obviously have the greatest impact both on the audience and on your wallet. I had thought about making it with $5's and $50's so I can still use the line, "Look for the zero's ...". I know you could use $1's and $10's but it seems like that would water down the effect. Those of you who have been performing Hundy, what are you using? Thanks for the input.

Bob
Message: Posted by: samuelk (Apr 14, 2003 11:33am)
Slow Burn is a nice effect, and it CAN be angle-sensitive, but keep in mind that since you know the trick, you're more aware of what's happening than the audience. Most people won't even know what to look for.
Message: Posted by: Saqib16 (Apr 14, 2003 12:12pm)
I think ones and tens would be good. I have both of them also and well, I have NO MONEY so if I do get money I will use 1s and 10s by saying oh let me add a zero... but I think the best combo would be 1s and 100s... wait maybe there is a way to get them to 10s and then 100s??? whoa... :wow:
Message: Posted by: vinsmagic (Apr 14, 2003 5:31pm)
Visibill is teriffic in my opinion it is the best bill switch, Slow Burn looks good on video but in real world the gaffs is very thick and looks fake, this is my opinion I hope I do not make enemies...
vinny
Message: Posted by: CharlieC (Apr 15, 2003 8:10am)
How could you say such a thing Vinny, I hate you forever! :angry: :angry: I am your enemy for life. :mad:

P.S. If you are home, I'm stopping by today to fix your webcam ok?
Message: Posted by: Bobcape (Apr 19, 2003 4:53pm)
I got my foreign currency bills to make up Slow Burn the other day. I also made up a Hundy 500 set. I got 2-peso Argentina notes and 50-peso Dominican Republic notes. The DR notes are much better, they are more colorful and are the correct size without trimming. The slow burn set I made with the DR 50-peso notes and $1 bills works great!
I made a set with $2 bills and 2-peso Argentina notes but they don't look quite as good, not enough contrast for the color change.

I made a Hundy 500 set from $2 bills and $20 bills with the thought of leading into it from Ammar's 2 $1's to a $2 (someone else mentioned this idea earlier). I haven't been getting such a great response from that set. It seems that each time I've performed it, everybody wants to look at the $2 bills and that distracts from the change to come. So I'm going to make a $1 and $10 set, I just can't tie up $606 in the original Hundy 500 idea. Both are great effects and both have their strengths. After some practice, I can perform either handling with either set. I highly recommend both Slow Burn and Hundy 500.
Bob
Message: Posted by: Magicbarry (Apr 22, 2003 1:07pm)
The angle problems with Slow Burn have been exaggerated somewhat. There are some awkward angles -- for example, having someone looking over your shoulder makes things a bit tricky. But I don't find it to be a particularly angly trick. However, Hundy 500 avoids what few angle problems Slow Burn has.

Both videos are excellent. If you have the resources, it's worth getting both. The gimmick is the same, but Sanders and Wilson each give tips that will help, whichever handling you use.

Hundy 500 has a slightly easier handling, and is angle-proof. Slow Burn has a more dramatic visual change, with minor angle problems.

Personally, I lean towards Hundy 500, but the difference in quality between the two effects is so slim that it's hard to say either has a clear advantage. Both are killer effects.
Message: Posted by: Review King (Aug 19, 2004 11:48pm)
Quote:

On 2003-04-12 18:42, brainman wrote:
...if you like visibill.. you perhaps also like my very visible bill-change effect:

Hypno-Bill

clip found Here!

best,
P


Anyone use this one? How is it?

Chris
Message: Posted by: flipped (Aug 20, 2004 1:10am)
Hundy 500 to play it safe with the angels. Plus it is very easy to do the switch
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Aug 20, 2004 12:26pm)
Pat Page's Easy Money, with the Kaps handling IMHO :kermit: is still the best and costs almost nothing.
Message: Posted by: Mediocre the Great (Aug 21, 2004 1:21am)
Hundy 500 works best w/ $100.00 bills. Nothing beats the impact.

However, I've heard about a magician who changes $5.00 bills to $50.00's who gets great reaction.... I like the idea, it's very logical going from 5's to 50's. also, your investment is half as much.

BTW... Gregory Wilson's video is supurb. He has 10 different real life shows you can study. In addition, he has lots of presentation tips and construction is greatly simplified.
Message: Posted by: rmoraleta (Aug 21, 2004 2:52am)
Another vote for Hundy 500 here!
Message: Posted by: shoosh018 (Aug 23, 2004 12:24pm)
Me too! Hundy 500 hands down!
Message: Posted by: leefoley3 (Aug 23, 2004 8:33pm)
I am ignorant to Slow Burn and Hundy 500 (give me a break, there isn't a magic shop within hundreds of miles). But, I do have Visibill and think it is an excellent bill switch.

Plus, if someone is going to bash Vinny, I'll take his side. He knows what he is talking about Mr. Charlie C. I do hope that the post you made was a joke regarding Vinny. He is an awesome man and magician.
If it is a joke please accept my appology if not............. :bwink: (you get the idea!)

Lee.
Message: Posted by: Munseys_Magic (Aug 23, 2004 11:51pm)
Visi-Bill and Hundy are fantastic. Slow Burn is a bit angley.
Message: Posted by: joeKing (Aug 24, 2004 12:34pm)
Hundy 500 wins in my book...I own both Slow Burn and Hundy.

Greg Wilson just put so much more on the presentation and what not, it makes it seem like you've been perfecting the routine for years.
Message: Posted by: JJP161 (Aug 24, 2004 4:21pm)
Having a special interest in money effects I've had Slow Burn, Hundy 500, Visibill, Ammar Bill Switch and Money Morph. As for the changing money routines my vote definitely goes to Hundy 500, the visual impact of Slow Burn is nice I just find the handling much better with Hundy 500. As for the Bill Switch Ammar's is really good but the best is definitely Money Morph.

Joe
Message: Posted by: Munseys_Magic (Aug 24, 2004 8:51pm)
JJP161,
How does Money Morph differ from other bbill switches like Visi-Bill or Ammar's or Kozlowski's switch?
Message: Posted by: JJP161 (Aug 25, 2004 12:53am)
Hi Jim,

I believe Money Morph is basically the Ammar or Kozlowski's switch but with some handling improvements that make it a little more visual. I'm still practicing this one myself but I think it looks the best and I like the handling the best but it doesn't really differ tremendously from Ammar's. As for Visi-Bill I just never liked it. I played around with it for a couple of months but it never really grew on me. Maybe it's just a personality thing but I find that Sanders style or routines thus far have not been for me so to speak. I felt the same with Slow Burn, in the end I just plan liked and felt more natural and comfortable with Hundy 500. I know many magicians love both Visi-Bill and Slow Burn, with me I just find that Hundy 500 and Money Morph fits me the best, they feel the most natural and magical to me.

Joe
Message: Posted by: lil_vash (Oct 13, 2004 7:13pm)
I'm thinking of buying Hundy 500. Is it a gimmick or sleight of hand?
Message: Posted by: joeKing (Oct 13, 2004 9:57pm)
Quote:

On 2004-10-13 19:13, lil_vash wrote:
I'm thinking of buying Hundy 500. Is it a gimmick or sleight of hand?


All versions are gimmicked...Hundy 500 is my choice over all.
Message: Posted by: Review King (Oct 13, 2004 11:36pm)
Slow Burn rules!! Hundy is a joke. Don't bother!!!
Message: Posted by: Merenkov (Oct 14, 2004 1:20am)
Slow Burn is incredibly visual, looks like real magic. Interesting that no one has mentioned Mark Allen's 3-D Cash in any of these posts. Similar to Slow Burn gimmick (perhaps they are all similar to Pat Page gimmick, I don't know), but it allows an additional change (for example, from ones to fives to fifties). I have both Slow Burn and 3-D Cash, but have not yet made up the gimmicks. I'm wondering if the 3-D cash gimmick might end up being fairly thick and thus harder to hide. Anyone out there doing this one?
Message: Posted by: wulfie66 (Oct 14, 2004 6:02am)
Personally I think that the multiple change in 3d cash is too much. I use Hundy 500, going from $2's to $20's and it always seems to hit hard and packs small. :)
Message: Posted by: joeKing (Oct 14, 2004 3:11pm)
Quote:

On 2004-10-13 23:36, MagicChris wrote:
Slow Burn rules!! Hundy is a joke. Don't bother!!!


Grow up...
Message: Posted by: trainspotter (Oct 26, 2004 10:15am)
Another vote for Hundy 500
Message: Posted by: Magix (Oct 26, 2004 6:28pm)
I have 3-D cash, and I think it could be easily re-worked if you think the multiple change is too much. That would also make it pack smaller.

BTW, mine's up for sale in the DVD sale section.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Dec 13, 2004 1:30am)
Hundy 500.....currently doing it with 1s and 5s.....saving up:::)
Message: Posted by: magicfest (Dec 14, 2004 11:02pm)
Both Richard Sanders and Greg Wilson bought a trick called Foreign Exchange from me, at MagicFest magic shop in Portland, Oregon. They both saw me do it, bought one and then came out with their handling. For those of you who have slow burn, look on the cover of the DVD. That's the exact gimmick I hand made for Richard and he went and put it on the cover of his DVD. When he bought it from me, he urged me to put out a DVD with the trick. While I was busy producing my Dvd, He took a picture of the gimmick, re worked the handling and put out his own. I was shocked. In fact, when I made his he gave me a quote for advertising purposes raving about how good it looked. At least Greg Wilson gives me a plug on his DVD, but apparantly Richard mentions that the brazillion money is great, but that he doesn't know where to get it. I guess he forgot I had a stack of a few thousand bills here in my shop.
Message: Posted by: CardiniMan (Dec 15, 2004 3:02am)
My vote goes with Hundy. I made up two sets. One with the 1's to hundreds and the other with newspaper to hundreds. My patter for the newspaper is that magicians don't need to carry around money, we are able to hypnotize anyone into believing this is money...etc etc...
Message: Posted by: Tivoli (Dec 15, 2004 3:02am)
And you didn't heard about the Tivoli's bill switch?
It's more a concept because you can do a bill switch, of course,but you can also switch a bill to a coin, a piece of paper to a chosen and signed card, a bill to a scarf,..... or you can do the vanishing of the bill, and of course the bill that you will switch is borrowed and it's not gimmicked.....If you are interrested in I can send you by email a video clip.
see ya
arthur Tivoli
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Dec 16, 2004 10:24pm)
3D Cash is very nice as is Hundy 500. everyone needs to check out the demo for 3D Cash and tell me what you think. http://www.magicproshop.com/product_info.php?products_id=2261
Message: Posted by: ncsteve (Dec 17, 2004 1:10am)
I tried the above link but it will only download with broadband (I still have dial up).
One poster said only the Hundy allowed the bills to be inspected after the change another said both allow this. Which is correct?
Thanks in Advance,
Steve
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Dec 17, 2004 3:27pm)
They can inspect all but one, but since they handle all of them except one. its all good
Message: Posted by: Regan (Dec 18, 2004 12:33am)
I am doing Slow Burn....I like it alot....it may be more angly than Hundy 500, but if I am in that situation I just vary the handling.

Regan
Message: Posted by: Jaymz023 (Dec 28, 2004 12:45am)
Wow, 3D Cash was a neat trick! I have slow burn and don't use it. Hundy 500 looks good....
Message: Posted by: Regan (Dec 28, 2004 9:53pm)
Why don't you use Slow Burn Jaymz023?

Message: Posted by: Kevvy (Jan 10, 2005 12:30am)

I'm gonna check out 3-D cash. People are so freaked out by bill switches that they want to see second switch anyway. 3-D cash allows you to increase the dollar amount even more for the second change. It isn't a good idea to change the 100's back to ones with hundy.

I have hundy but don't use it.
Message: Posted by: Alym Amlani (Jan 10, 2005 1:48am)
I just got both of these videos and am now starting to play with both ideas; unfortunately the Canadian Peso no longer comes in a one dollar denomination so I'll likely use 5's and 50's. It's gonna be very visual as well because of the colour of the bills but it'll be a bit hard to cover the work (it won't blend as well!)
Message: Posted by: MSD921 (Jan 10, 2005 7:58am)
I just purchased Slow Burn and like it. I do not see angles being a major problem. I'd like to hear how Hundy is less angly? I made 1 Slow Burn set in $1 to $20s, did the effect for an 11 year old on his birthday and casually handed him one of the new $20s as his present. The kids went nuts, and he obviously loved it. An expensive way to "prove" the bills had really changed...I have 3D Cash also. The extra change you can do with 3D cash is great, but the additional goodies (thickness)you have to work with make it a bit more problematic for angles and the center fold appearance....I am not sure if anyone has posted the following site for foreign currency, but it is incredible. Color pictures of THOUSANDS of foreign bills. The only problem is that sizes are not listed on all. If you email the owner with bills you are interested in, he'll email back the size. The Bolivian and Mexican bills have some exact size matches to US bills. Check it out...www.banknotes.com.
Message: Posted by: Kevvy (Jan 10, 2005 4:39pm)


There are two demos on this page that will allow you to see how hundy is not angle sensitive. There is also a demo of Oz performing hundy located at the middle of the page:
http://www.penguinmagic.com/product.php?ID=728

Notice that Gregory Wilson is completely surrounded by the UC players in the first segment.

Both 3-D cash and slowburn are more visual though. I guess with hundy, you could somehow move your hand over the bills after the moves for a more visual effect.
Message: Posted by: ClouDsss (Jan 11, 2005 4:02am)
I prefer visibill as I can change not only denominations on the notes but also to other stuff like cheques etc and can even hand it out in the end to the spec.
Message: Posted by: MSD921 (Jan 11, 2005 8:02am)
Question that I do not see answered. Sorry if I missed it...Has anyone found a good source for USA currency sized "coupons"? I'd like to make up Visibill with a coupons to currency transpo. Thanks.
Message: Posted by: Tivoli (Jan 11, 2005 11:01am)
Hi folks,
Check this out and tell me what you think, no thumb tip, no nothing, only your hands http://lsp-fr.com/ Click on the movie "Tivoli's bill switch".
I realy want to know your thoughts
thanks
arthur
Message: Posted by: magiclee (Jan 11, 2005 1:38pm)
Hey Tivoli, I get an error message when I try to access the movie.

magiclee
Message: Posted by: Loz (Jan 11, 2005 2:22pm)
Hi Tivoli. Me too, I download the avi ok, but it won't play.
Message: Posted by: Tivoli (Jan 11, 2005 5:44pm)
Hi folks
I'm sorry you can't see it perhaps here it'll be easier http://www.lsp-fr.com/videos/bill_switch-tivoli.wmv
Thanks
arthur
Message: Posted by: MSD921 (Jan 16, 2005 8:28pm)
Slow Burn owners question (Or Hundy/3D Cash)- What do you find provides the most impact for the Slow Burn transposition. Color "foreign" bills to USA bills OR changing US $1s to a larger US denomination? Sometimes when I change $1s to $2s, the transposition is not real obvious. $1s to $100s is stronger, but requires a sizeable hunk of cash to be tied up. If you like the foreign transpo, what foreign bills do you find as the best to use? Sanders mentions some bills on his DVD but their size requires quite a cutting to match US bills. Thanks.
Message: Posted by: Cheif_Magi (Jan 17, 2005 9:39am)
Quote:

On 2004-12-14 23:02, magicfest wrote:
Both Richard Sanders and Greg Wilson bought a trick called Foreign Exchange from me, at MagicFest magic shop in Portland, Oregon. They both saw me do it, bought one and then came out with their handling. For those of you who have slow burn, look on the cover of the DVD. That's the exact gimmick I hand made for Richard and he went and put it on the cover of his DVD. When he bought it from me, he urged me to put out a DVD with the trick. While I was busy producing my Dvd, He took a picture of the gimmick, re worked the handling and put out his own. I was shocked. In fact, when I made his he gave me a quote for advertising purposes raving about how good it looked. At least Greg Wilson gives me a plug on his DVD, but apparantly Richard mentions that the brazillion money is great, but that he doesn't know where to get it. I guess he forgot I had a stack of a few thousand bills here in my shop.


On the Hundy 500 DVD though it says that he got Patrick Page approval and his is the only authorized version. So either your Patrick Page and gave Greg approval or you didn't create the original. Also Greg could just be lying but who knows.

Any ways I love Greg Wilson's performing and teaching style so tally one up for Hundy 500
Message: Posted by: Bob Johnston (Mar 12, 2005 11:44pm)
MSD921:
Gee, it would be nice if you could, at least use, Some first name at the end of a post so it would be a bit less impersonal.

To do a Bill Change from Coupons is simple if you have a flat bed scanner. No one has any preconceived ideas about the size of coupons, so you can crop and print to any size to match your currency.

I scanned and printed Monopoly Money to US currency size. I use it often and no one has ever questioned the slight difference in size from the size used with the game.

I use it in some walk around with the premise of asking someone if they can break a $10.00 bill. If they say yes I bring out the “stack” of monopoly money (with NO smiling). When they show confusion, I do the change. This works even better at a check-out counter.

This has always seemed to be (to me) a logical premise. People seem more familiar with Monopoly money than some of the larger denominations of US bills.

Bob
Message: Posted by: MSD921 (Mar 13, 2005 4:45pm)
Bob - Thanks for the information. I like the Monopoly money idea.....BTW, my name is Mike. Pleasure to meet you! MSD921 is my CIA cover. Don't tell anyone.
Message: Posted by: Richc98 (Mar 13, 2005 5:48pm)
I use Hundy 500. I change ones into twenties. I ask if anyone has a twenty that they would give me for my ones, (they see the ones and realize there are not that many 0nes). Then I do a false count, pretty badly, to show them I have twenty ones. I get a laugh and they don't even offer the twenty. Then I say that was unfortunate and asked them to watch, then I change them to twenties and show them I have $100. (Didn’t want to write the whole routine out)

I did this for the sheriff in Las Vegas, after she gave a lecture about pick pockets. I showed her this is how I keep my money, in my front pocket -big no-no by the way. But I showed her it was only $5 and she told me that wasn't enough to do anything with in Vegas. I explained to her that when I need money I just snap my fingers and they turn into twenties. But when I want to keep my money safe I turn them back into ones. Blew her away and she asked for my business card.
Message: Posted by: Mike Brezler (Mar 31, 2005 3:00am)
Hundy 500 is the best in my opinion... easy to perform and angle proof... great crowd reactions.
Message: Posted by: daaaave (Sep 26, 2005 1:28am)
I prefer Hundy 500 over Slowburn as well. Visibill's great also!
Message: Posted by: Adam Hince (Jun 7, 2006 5:22pm)
I've seen Slow Burn done and I own Hundy 500. For me, Hundy is the way to go. I know it's quite an investment, but there's really no substitute from $1 dollar bills to $100 dollar bills in my opinion.
Message: Posted by: Redsixer (Jun 23, 2006 3:15pm)
So...when you make the gimmick are the $100 bills not good anymore?
Message: Posted by: warren (Jun 24, 2006 8:14am)
How does slow burn,visibill and hundy 500 compare to ez money which can be found on easy to master money miracles volume 3 by Michael Ammar ?
Message: Posted by: afillius (Jul 1, 2006 2:28am)
I just got Hundy 500 and I must say I am VERY impressed by the quality of the DVD and the trick. The DVD shows you 10 different performances and talks a great deal about how to deal with many different reactions to the trick. It also talks about how to deal with the spectator that wants to inspect the bills, etc... It even gives you some snappy comebacks during the routine.

I can't wait to do this trick.
Message: Posted by: Joey Stalin (Jul 8, 2006 6:31am)
I just don't like the handling of slow burn. It doesn't look natural to me. Now that I changed the bills I'll just fold them back up, flip them over and unfoldto count them singly. Hundy, change and unfold.

But for the people who do the colour change with different currency I would apperciate if someone could PM on how they deal with the different colour bills. How would you prevent them from flashing?
Message: Posted by: tunafish (Jul 8, 2006 3:32pm)
I currently do Hundy 500 from 1s to 100s, but I think I will change and do 1s to 50s. When the specs then ask me to do it with there money I will do Greed by Daniel Garcia. This would work out perfect, as you could take there dollar, put it in your pocket, and give them the "it takes 24 hours, I'll meet you here tomorow" line from the Hundy 500 DVD, and then say "just kidding" and bring out the Greed gimmick, change it to a 5, then a 10 , then a 20, and to a 50... 50 a cent peice! I think this would be a perfect routine. Haven't tried it yet though, I'm waiting for Greed to arrive in the mail.


Quote:

On 2005-01-17 09:39, Cheif_Magi wrote:
Quote:

On 2004-12-14 23:02, magicfest wrote:
Both Richard Sanders and Greg Wilson bought a trick called Foreign Exchange from me, at MagicFest magic shop in Portland, Oregon. They both saw me do it, bought one and then came out with their handling. For those of you who have slow burn, look on the cover of the DVD. That's the exact gimmick I hand made for Richard and he went and put it on the cover of his DVD. When he bought it from me, he urged me to put out a DVD with the trick. While I was busy producing my Dvd, He took a picture of the gimmick, re worked the handling and put out his own. I was shocked. In fact, when I made his he gave me a quote for advertising purposes raving about how good it looked. At least Greg Wilson gives me a plug on his DVD, but apparantly Richard mentions that the brazillion money is great, but that he doesn't know where to get it. I guess he forgot I had a stack of a few thousand bills here in my shop.


On the Hundy 500 DVD though it says that he got Patrick Page approval and his is the only authorized version. So either your Patrick Page and gave Greg approval or you didn't create the original. Also Greg could just be lying but who knows.

Any ways I love Greg Wilson's performing and teaching style so tally one up for Hundy 500


Go to the very last page of Insightful Insights on your Hundy 500 DVD and it says the following.

Special Thanks to:

Mark Benteimer for "first" showing me Mark Allen's and Jim Pace's "Foreign Exchange". (If you're interested in Foreign Exchange - where one dollar bills change into Brazilian currency - or can't afford to maintain the $606 investment for Hundy 500, you can order it from Mark Bentheimer at http://www.magicfest.com.)

Greg Wilson also credits Jim Pace's Foreign Exchange and has it dated 1994.
Message: Posted by: Benji Bruce (Jul 27, 2006 2:54am)
I do exactly what tunafish said. I always perform Hundy first and when they tell me to do it with their bill I perform Greed which enforces the fact that I can create money (Greed is brilliant). I combine my own version of Slow Burn and Hundy to get a really visual change which I perform all the time in restaurants. If you want to see what I'm talking about then my website is www.bbmagicworld.com and if you go to the "video" link you should see my version of Hundy.
Message: Posted by: solidoak (Jul 27, 2006 9:16pm)
Hundy 500 is great! I also purchased Hypno-Bill (memtioned earlier) at the SAM convention. Its a very clean, no-thumbtip, $1 to $100 and back to $1 again. I find they compliment each other well.