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Message: Posted by: Nicholas young (Jan 29, 2012 6:29am)
Has anyone seen this performed? Could you describe what the effect is exactly, and where the "magic" part comes in? As from the product description all I can tell is he folds a piece of paper into a figurine...

Here it is:
http://www.magicshop.co.uk/p21362/Figurine_%28DVD_and_Props%29_by_Lennart_Green_and_Luis_de_Matos_-_DVD/product_info.html

Thanks,
Message: Posted by: the Sponge (Jan 29, 2012 9:24am)
Watch the demo video at hocus-pocus

S
Message: Posted by: Nicholas young (Jan 29, 2012 9:31am)
Yes in the video it says/shows "a piece of paper is magically sculpted into a figurine", but how is it magical? Has it to do with the speed at which the figurine is sculpted?
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Jan 29, 2012 9:34am)
Well, take a piece of paper and a cocktail stick and try and sculpt one normally...and yes, I would speed, detail and transformations would be the magic part...
Message: Posted by: Nicholas young (Jan 29, 2012 9:46am)
Well paper figurines are not really new,it is an incredible artform. ( for example http://papersculpture.org.uk/bride.html )
But for it be 'magical' something has to be added, for example seeing the paper fold on its own into a model, or you toss a crumpled piece of paper into someones hand, when they open their hand they are holding a model, etc... I am simply wondering what the routine is that Lennart is selling as it is not clear from the advertisement or the demo video...

-Nicholas
Message: Posted by: robb100 (Jan 30, 2012 12:33pm)
The effect is that the paper then changes to the actual object, (not made of paper) in this cas a figurine.
Message: Posted by: Nicholas young (Jan 30, 2012 2:11pm)
Thanks Robb100 for sharing. That's interesting, I'm curious now to see more :)

-Nicholas
Message: Posted by: indomagic (Feb 7, 2012 8:04pm)
Very unclear demo...could not see any magical effect there...
Message: Posted by: Piqsirpoq (Feb 7, 2012 8:34pm)
The basic effect is included the recent Masterfile DVD set by Lennart, in the Miscellaneous section. In my opinion this was a more of a filler item on the DVD set. A nice little curiosity, but nothing more.

25£ for this is just ridiculous.
Message: Posted by: Zachary Walley (Feb 7, 2012 9:05pm)
I'm interested in that split second shot of the "butterfly." It looks neat. I have Masterfile. I recall an origami like effect, but not like this. I'll have to go pull that back out and take a look. Anyway, I'd like to hear from someone that gets this product before I jump to any conclusions.
Message: Posted by: BathTub (Feb 8, 2012 8:22pm)
Yes, interested in some reviews, the demo just struck me as very strange.
Message: Posted by: mstgracy (Feb 8, 2012 10:04pm)
A good script could turn this into the most memorable piece in a show. May not be magic as many define it but I think it is really cool looking.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Feb 9, 2012 1:26am)
I wish this had never been released and that the small group of people who new about it could hoard it away... it is one of the best things I have seen in years. I was sitting with Charlie Frye and he took a piece of my straw and formed what looked like small statue of me. He immediately crumpled it up. It was one of the most magical moments I had experienced in year... I had that strange feeling of "did I just really see that? Charlie advised it was Lennart's. I have used this since that time and I have performed it to some of the top people in magic who have raved about it. It is SO good. When you make a coin vanish or find a card or such they know it's a trick. Here I can't tell you how many times people REALLY thought I somehow made this weird little statue and then immediately crumpled it up as I say "No I didn't quite get your nose right". It's so organic. This is one of the best things I have seen come out in a long long time... if you overlook it you'll be sorry you did. If you see me or anyone of the people who use it do it you'll want to do it. This is SO good.

Tim Trono
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Feb 9, 2012 1:34am)
Nicholas, to try to answer your question... the magic comes from the fact that you create this PERFECT little statue in just a few twists and turns... and then immediately crumple it up. I just cannot tell you how strong this is. You could do your best card or coin routine and I could do this and I almost guarantee you this is what they will talk about. It may sound like a throw away or nothing but if you try this you'll always carry it with you and do it. I get that it's not the latest new card trick or such and it doesn't sound like a big deal but for people it's like you are real magic... it's believable but RIGHT on the edge of being apparently real. I rarely post about things I love like I used to but when I saw this post I am SUCH a fan of this I wanted to let you know. I'd urge you to TRY this and I can tell you it will be your favorite piece. There are a number of variations but the one I think is most powerful is to create it and immediately destroy it. It's like painting some beautiful picture and then just burning it.

Tim
Message: Posted by: takeachance (Feb 9, 2012 1:49am)
I think its a brillant concept and ordered it the moment it went up on the HP website. I only hope I'll be able to master the skill required to pull this off.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Feb 9, 2012 3:41am)
It's not hard at all.... when you try it make sure you try the destroying it right away thing and it leaves a very eerie impression.. did I see that type of thing....
Message: Posted by: BMWGuy (Feb 9, 2012 5:43pm)
Thinking of getting this.

I was over at FEDEX today sending out some packages, and just briefly mentioned to the lady after we talked a bit about magic, about Figurine, and what she would think if I were to sculpt something out of paper....she said she would freak out, and it would be really awesome. I asked her because I wanted to see what she would say......since its not really an effect, but a showpiece

I don't have it yet....thinking of ordering......i think this will be a hit with laymen....since you will appear to do the impossible with just a piece of paper.

Alex
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Feb 10, 2012 3:36pm)
Yeah I wish I could just show you and you'd be hooked. It's one of my favorite things. My only disappointment was that it came out on this DVD as a few people have had it to themselves. It's great! If you get it and try it you will end up using this all of the time. The ad copy, trailer, etc. cannot do it justice. You really just need to experience it.

Tim
Message: Posted by: doug brewer (Feb 10, 2012 3:45pm)
Thanks, Tim. Your descriptions help a lot.
Message: Posted by: magicduro (Feb 10, 2012 4:54pm)
Does it have to be destroyed?

Can it be handed out for the spectator to keep?
Message: Posted by: Jamie Ferguson (Feb 10, 2012 4:57pm)
I'm going to buy this trick simply for the pleasure I'll get out of asking people if they want to see my little fella.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Feb 10, 2012 5:40pm)
It does not have to be destroyed. On the DVD you will see several routines. When Lennart does it he actually uses a jeweler's eye loop like he is making some tiny masterpiece and after it is finished he puts it under one of those tiny glass domes. It looks great when Lennart does it. I personally prefer the destroying thing as you get this weird sensation of "did I really see that"... it's like a fleeting magical moment. There are also several related "type" of effects on the DVD.

Tim
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Feb 10, 2012 5:42pm)
The quick butterfly clip looked amazing...

looking forward to my copy next week...
Message: Posted by: Jeff Christensen (Feb 10, 2012 11:03pm)
I just ordered this based on Lennart Green's reputation alone. The concept intrigues me but I do have some questions. To give it out or not...is the figurine actually made up in front of the spectator or switched in? I'm hoping it's made up in real time so that you could give this out as a piece of gift magic. If anyone knows the answer to this I'd really appreciate it.

Thanks!

jeff
Message: Posted by: Jeff Christensen (Feb 10, 2012 11:08pm)
I just ordered this based on Lennart Green's reputation alone. The concept intrigues me but I do have some questions. To give it out or not...is the figurine actually made up in front of the spectator or switched in? I'm hoping it's made up in real time so that you could give this out as a piece of gift magic. If anyone knows the answer to this I'd really appreciate it.

Thanks!

jeff
Message: Posted by: mike storz (Feb 11, 2012 12:07am)
I too, would like to know if you can give it away to a spectator as a keepsake. Also, is this something that takes hours to master? I'm interested but on the fence. :)
Message: Posted by: ReviewerMaster (Feb 11, 2012 1:01am)
I can see this being an organic effect. Always love magic that appears to be impromptu.
Message: Posted by: EricDraven (Feb 11, 2012 5:55am)
The figurines are included so I guess a switch
Message: Posted by: Waterloophai (Feb 11, 2012 6:12am)
Somewhere I read that when you made the figurine, you crumble it again to a little ball of paper with a remark like "mmm, the nose isn't perfect".
So I am pretty sure that it is not for give away.
Message: Posted by: Jamie Ferguson (Feb 11, 2012 6:13am)
Received mine today.

I will use this but only in certain circumstances. I don't think it's great for a formal presentation where someone is expecting to see magic. It's better suited to those informal moments where people aren't expecting anything magical to happen.

The gimmick is quite interesting, you think you probably know what it is right?

The handling suits Lennart's apparently 'clumsy, fumbling and messy' style so bear that in mind.

I'm not going to give it a mark out of 10 until I've tried performing it. I'll just have to wait for the right moment.
Message: Posted by: EricDraven (Feb 11, 2012 6:39am)
Well I guess it is very interesting for those off the cuff starbucks moments...
I definitely will not put it in performance situations, but I see potential in those other scenarios.
Lets see when it arrives next week...
Message: Posted by: Jamie Ferguson (Feb 11, 2012 6:54am)
Spot on Eric.
Message: Posted by: Ian Rowland (Feb 11, 2012 5:48pm)
Quote:

On 2012-01-29 09:24, the Sponge wrote:
Watch the demo video at hocus-pocus



Easier said than done. I went to www.hocuspocusmagic.com/ and there was no 'search' box that I could see. Maybe I just wasn't looking in the right place.
Message: Posted by: The great Gumbini (Feb 11, 2012 6:03pm)
Ian,

Go to the bottom of the page and click the SHOP ONLINE button and there you can do a search for this item.


Good magic to all,


Eric
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Feb 11, 2012 6:20pm)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_rhjmaPyV4
Message: Posted by: equivoque (Feb 11, 2012 9:52pm)
It comes with four figurines, but can you buy more? It seems like the natural thing to do would be to give it away...
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Feb 11, 2012 11:35pm)
Just a few questions. The demo says "A new concept in close up magic" What would that be? Turning one object into another?
Andrew Mayne has his origami trick and before that he published a very cool crumpled paper ball changing into a paper airplane that you threw into the audience.

Another thing is Lennart Green says on his Masterfile 4 DVD [which is where "Figurine" originally was published] that this trick is actually embarrassing. He says that when the spectator starts thinking it is real, and you have real skill in making statues out of paper, it is a bit awkward.

I am just wondering about these points.
James
Message: Posted by: Jamie Ferguson (Feb 12, 2012 3:46pm)
Hi James

I'm not sure I'd call it 'a new concept in close-up magic'. It's more akin to demonstrating a fine motor skill. It's quite magical in the way it happens but not magic per se. It would the be the same to watch a fine artist at work painting an intricate picture which reveals more of itself with every brushstroke.

On your second question I suspect that Lennart says that because he's really shy. I guess it's the guilt of claiming a superior skill when in actual fact there is very little skill involved. However, that's no different to say using the slop shuffle in a triumph routine where the spectator gives you far more credit than you think you deserve when you reveal the final result.

I did try the 'trick' out this weekend and the group of people I showed it too were flabbergasted. The problem then lies in everyone wanting you to make them a figurine.

Hope that helps.

Jamie
Message: Posted by: Nicholas young (Feb 12, 2012 4:39pm)
I am a big fan of "subtle" magic. Might end up buying this one simply to see how Lennart Green has approached the concept. So far I really like the "crumple" up idea. Based on the descriptions above, it sounds like my kind of thing... :) Thanks for sharing.

-N
Message: Posted by: altrez (Feb 12, 2012 5:28pm)
Does this DvD teach the Butterfly illusion in full detail? That seems to be the most interesting one. To me anyway :)

-Altrez
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Feb 12, 2012 6:16pm)
Thank you Jamie for your answer.
That makes sense because Lennart Green seems very modest. I can see what you mean about them wanting a figurine. Probably best if you use Tim Trono's idea and quickly crumple it up.
Thanks,
James


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On 2012-02-12 15:46, Jamie Ferguson wrote:
Hi James

I'm not sure I'd call it 'a new concept in close-up magic'. It's more akin to demonstrating a fine motor skill. It's quite magical in the way it happens but not magic per se. It would the be the same to watch a fine artist at work painting an intricate picture which reveals more of itself with every brushstroke.

On your second question I suspect that Lennart says that because he's really shy. I guess it's the guilt of claiming a superior skill when in actual fact there is very little skill involved. However, that's no different to say using the slop shuffle in a triumph routine where the spectator gives you far more credit than you think you deserve when you reveal the final result.

I did try the 'trick' out this weekend and the group of people I showed it too were flabbergasted. The problem then lies in everyone wanting you to make them a figurine.

Hope that helps.

Jamie

Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (Feb 12, 2012 6:24pm)
Unless I am wrong, I have seen this on the Master Files and you cannot really hand this out. I do not think the figure can be closely examined.
Message: Posted by: Lundonia (Feb 12, 2012 6:35pm)
Does anybody have any input from both Masterfile and the 'Figurine' dvd sold separatly? I mean, there are no figurines included in the Masterfile (I assume) so is it really the same trick?

I'm on the fence on the Masterfile but I really like what I'm hearing about 'Figurine'. No use in purchasing both?
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Feb 14, 2012 4:32pm)
Figurine came today...i like it...

it was worth it for the subtlety of introducing the gimmick...

I have my own ideas for making the figurine a little less clinical looking, too...

and I really like the butterfly version...

I was thinking this could be combined with the Phantom Artist...

if you wanted some surreal magic - maybe combine this with Photoshopped, have some tissue pop out of the photo, you then model it, crumble it, and then force the tissue back onto the photo?
Message: Posted by: ranilperera (Feb 14, 2012 4:42pm)
IAIN may I ask how you rate the difficulty level of sculpting the models? Butterfly does look amazing on the demo!

Ranil.
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Feb 14, 2012 4:58pm)
About the same difficulty as the hindu thread...
Message: Posted by: ranilperera (Feb 16, 2012 9:32am)
Thanks IAIN. Good to know. :)
Ranil
Message: Posted by: RNK (Feb 16, 2012 10:30am)
Madhatter is selling this for $23.95! Great price. I believe it's the original too!
Message: Posted by: Jamie D. Grant (Feb 16, 2012 1:21pm)
Tim showed me this when I interviewed him for his MAGIC article. It killed me, lol. It's definitely not a "cup and ball" moment but rather an offhand "what did I just see" type of thing? I guess the best way to describe it was as pure surprise. I wasn't expecting a magic trick so it caught me completely off guard. So cool!
Message: Posted by: coosticks (Feb 16, 2012 1:48pm)
I think this is perfectly valid...

when I see Lennart Green do what he does with cards, my jaw hits the floor at the sheers skill and ARTISTRY of what he's managing to accomplish. (the first effect I saw was him dealing a deck of cards onto the table and there's only ever one card there!)

His skill, to me, is astounding.

I don't necessarily think "MAGIC" though.

To me, Figurine seems an artistic (if unfathomable) effect for an audience rather, perhaps, than magical.

no less valid for that in my opinion.

I'm interested in it, but I'm worried that as it has Lennart's name on it, there will be no way I'll be able to do it!


Quote:

On 2012-02-12 15:46, Jamie Ferguson wrote:
Hi James

I'm not sure I'd call it 'a new concept in close-up magic'. It's more akin to demonstrating a fine motor skill. It's quite magical in the way it happens but not magic per se. It would the be the same to watch a fine artist at work painting an intricate picture which reveals more of itself with every brushstroke.

On your second question I suspect that Lennart says that because he's really shy. I guess it's the guilt of claiming a superior skill when in actual fact there is very little skill involved. However, that's no different to say using the slop shuffle in a triumph routine where the spectator gives you far more credit than you think you deserve when you reveal the final result.

I did try the 'trick' out this weekend and the group of people I showed it too were flabbergasted. The problem then lies in everyone wanting you to make them a figurine.

Hope that helps.

Jamie

Message: Posted by: IAIN (Feb 16, 2012 1:58pm)
Its easy to set-up and perform...if you can handle billets or coins, you can handle this...

its a surreal piece of magic, I've added some rough strands of paper to the bigger figurine, so they wiggle and move in the air...easy enough to clean and replace after a couple of performances...

and for the phantom artist thing, I've got some simple artwork that'll let me create a stack of what's needed...

but its more than good enough to use "as is", and as a strange and interesting moment...
Message: Posted by: coosticks (Feb 16, 2012 2:32pm)
Iain, that depends on what you mean by 'handle coins'!
Message: Posted by: roblane (Feb 17, 2012 4:47am)
Just ordered based on what I've read here. The butterfly looks superb. I think the crumple idea is what sold it to me.
Message: Posted by: Jeff Christensen (Feb 18, 2012 1:54am)
I just received this and am looking forward to watching it this weekend.
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Feb 21, 2012 11:03pm)
Quote:

On 2012-02-09 01:34, Tim Trono wrote:
Nicholas, to try to answer your question... the magic comes from the fact that you create this PERFECT little statue in just a few twists and turns... and then immediately crumple it up. I just cannot tell you how strong this is. You could do your best card or coin routine and I could do this and I almost guarantee you this is what they will talk about. It may sound like a throw away or nothing but if you try this you'll always carry it with you and do it. I get that it's not the latest new card trick or such and it doesn't sound like a big deal but for people it's like you are real magic... it's believable but RIGHT on the edge of being apparently real. I rarely post about things I love like I used to but when I saw this post I am SUCH a fan of this I wanted to let you know. I'd urge you to TRY this and I can tell you it will be your favorite piece. There are a number of variations but the one I think is most powerful is to create it and immediately destroy it. It's like painting some beautiful picture and then just burning it.

Tim



I usually click on all new magic and Latest and Greatest Café posts. But I just kept passing this by. Maybe the title wasn't interesting. I'm not sure.

But I clicked just now and your post had me go and watch the demo. If someone did this for me, I'd give a "what the....just happened".

You didn't just say "this is excellent". But you REALLY love this. I know what that's like to get that feeling over something out of the ordinary. You want to tell everyone, but then again, you'd rather everyone pass it by.

OK, I'm ordering it.
Message: Posted by: slyhand (Feb 22, 2012 7:22am)
Where can one see this actually performed? The demo shows nothing magical.
Message: Posted by: sketchomagic (Feb 22, 2012 7:30am)
Quote:

On 2012-02-10 16:57, Jamie Ferguson wrote:
I'm going to buy this trick simply for the pleasure I'll get out of asking people if they want to see my little fella.

<-- AHA!! I second that one sir!
Message: Posted by: roblane (Feb 22, 2012 1:51pm)
I should receive this tomorrow hopefully. As a hobbyist who mainly shows the same folks, I'm going down the route of 'you've seen all my magic, here's something new I'm trying'. 'It's advanced origami, oh that looks a bit like you? Oh no, perhaps not'...........as I crumple design and throw it on table. If that makes any sense, whaddya all think? :D
Message: Posted by: doug brewer (Feb 22, 2012 2:25pm)
I have this and like it. I work weekly at a bistro/bar and I believe this will fit nicely behind the bar.

Here's how I sum it up:

This is basically a combination of the Center Deal (there's no such thing, and any demonstration is pure bluff) and Origami (there is such a thing, and demonstration of it is pure art).

I've put a lot of thought into this since I got it and this is how I've decided I'm going to perform it. I will place two paper napkins aside and introduce the idea of origami. I will now do Figurine. Once constructed, the figure will be displayed on my hand briefly as I explain it is far to delicate to even hand over - then do the nice little subtlety of apparently destoying it back into a strip of paper (fairly easy, if you do Gypsy Thread work).

I will pick up the other napkin and construct it into a paper rose - a bit of origami (or whatever) that is not so delicate and can be handed out. These are always well received by bar patrons.

I say "will" because I have not performed this yet at the bar, and will give it a go on Friday. I am actually very interested in how people will perceive this. I'll let you know how it goes . . .

Doug

P.S. One more thing - I found the explanations rather brief. I was hoping for some "work" on this, but really, it is what it is. The butterfly effect is nice, and something I can see doing also, but I've never even heard of these things and his statement that you can find them in a "market" made me laugh.
Message: Posted by: BatsMagic (Feb 24, 2012 1:05am)
I love Lennart Green, and just ordered this today from a Café member. Can't wait to get it!
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Feb 24, 2012 9:57pm)
Lennert actually says "open market". Kind of like a flea market. We have them here in Taiwan too.

Here are instructions for making you own:
http://www.instructables.com/id/Rubber-band-Powered-Butterfly/

James


Quote:

On 2012-02-22 14:25, doug brewer wrote:

The butterfly effect is nice, and something I can see doing also, but I've never even heard of these things and his statement that you can find them in a "market" made me laugh.

Message: Posted by: NexusMagicShop (Feb 28, 2012 3:45am)
Lennart shy or not has never failed to deliver a solid production.

LIVING IN THE CANDY STORE IS HARD, TRUST ME. I MUST PICK AND CHOOSE WISELY. LENNART IS ALWAYS WORTH THE INVESTMENT.
Message: Posted by: XerxX (Feb 28, 2012 6:39am)
Quote:
On 2012-02-24 21:57, Xiqual wrote:
Lennert actually says "open market". Kind of like a flea market. We have them here in Taiwan too.



There is a Swedish expression "öppna marknaden" that would be translated into "(the) open market" meaning it's for sale to the general public but not pointing to a particular place to buy.
Maybe that's what he meant..?
(A "flea market" is called a "lopp-marknad" in Swedish, which is an exact translation.)

Best regards,
XerxX
Message: Posted by: dan the man (Feb 28, 2012 10:22am)
Is there anywhere a performance demo or some sort of this?
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Feb 28, 2012 10:33am)
Quote:

On 2012-02-28 10:22, dan the man wrote:
Is there anywhere a performance demo or some sort of this?



http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S14007

Mine arrived Yesterday. Going to watch it later today.

Clarke
Message: Posted by: Rafael The Master Hypnotist (Mar 1, 2012 7:20pm)
So what is this?


...
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Mar 1, 2012 8:46pm)
I watched the dvd a couple of times and followed Lennart's instruction. Pretty simple to do, actually.

My wife and I went to a local restaurant and I was ready. They serve the drinks with the straw wrappers on the straws. I asked her "did you see the guy when we went in? He looked like....like...he looked like.....". I took the straw wrapper off and made it into a figurine. "That actor on CSI". I then crumpled it up and flicked it off the table and went back to my menu.

She was flabbergasted. I think the power of it is that it isn't a magic trick ( and shouldn't be presented as such ).

Lennart gives many ideas ( you saw the butterfly ) but I think I'll keep it very simple as a small figure depicting whatever likeness I want to convey.

If you get it, you HAVE to perform it to see what it does to someone, then you can decide if it's for you. We hobby guys a lot of times get a trick and watch the dvd and then sell it before we perform it.

Clarke
Message: Posted by: MagicBrent (Mar 1, 2012 10:49pm)
I'd love to see more working demos
Message: Posted by: Jamie Ferguson (Mar 7, 2012 5:02pm)
This has become my favourite impromptu trick.

It has a profound effect on the spectator.

Only those who perform it will know what I mean.

This is a trick that perfectly sums up Paul Harris' 'moment of astonishment'.

Many will pass over or reject this effect because it's off the beaten track. That's a good thing.
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Mar 7, 2012 5:06pm)
I was surprised this was a Lennart Green trick as it definitely has a Paul Harris vibe to it.

I LOVE this! Easy to carry each day. Empty your pockets at night and you'll forget you had it.

It's also taught on Lennart's Master File dvd set.
Message: Posted by: Shrubsole (Mar 7, 2012 5:39pm)
This has just been reviewed this week, but I don't think I'm aloud to say where.

Bizarre!
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Mar 7, 2012 6:04pm)
Clarke,
That is a fantastic idea! The whole "did you see the guy when we went in? He looked like..."
Excellent!
James


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On 2012-03-01 20:46, Zombie Magic wrote:
I watched the dvd a couple of times and followed Lennart's instruction. Pretty simple to do, actually.

My wife and I went to a local restaurant and I was ready. They serve the drinks with the straw wrappers on the straws. I asked her "did you see the guy when we went in? He looked like....like...he looked like.....". I took the straw wrapper off and made it into a figurine. "That actor on CSI". I then crumpled it up and flicked it off the table and went back to my menu.

She was flabbergasted. I think the power of it is that it isn't a magic trick ( and shouldn't be presented as such ).

Lennart gives many ideas ( you saw the butterfly ) but I think I'll keep it very simple as a small figure depicting whatever likeness I want to convey.

If you get it, you HAVE to perform it to see what it does to someone, then you can decide if it's for you. We hobby guys a lot of times get a trick and watch the dvd and then sell it before we perform it.

Clarke

Message: Posted by: FrenchDrop (Mar 7, 2012 6:18pm)
Quote:

On 2012-03-07 17:39, Shrubsole wrote:
This has just been reviewed this week, but I don't think I'm aloud to say where.

Bizarre!


Yeah, I saw that review this morning. I think the fact that the guys couldn't even agree on whether it was a magic trick is indicative of a problem. Will the spectator see it as a bit of inexplicable magic, or as a display of amazing skill in sculpting a bit of paper? Is it entertaining to watch? I'm sure it depends on the performer...but while I've been amazed and impressed by figures created by origami experts, I don't think I'd find it fun to watch those figures being made in real time.

I agree with the guys: It's pretty, and it's impressive, but it's not something I'd do.
Message: Posted by: MagicBrent (Mar 7, 2012 6:50pm)
Could you sculpt it with flash paper so after you switch to the figurine, you could switch back, lite it and then change it to a coin or something that you CAN giveaway? I can't get over not giving out the figurine or them asking for it...what's the justification for ripping up the origami?
Message: Posted by: Shrubsole (Mar 8, 2012 9:36am)
The "justification for ripping up the origami" is to get you out of the obvious situation that they will want to keep it and you are not going to let them.

As for what excuse you can make for doing that, that will depend on your presentation and scripting. IE you will have to make up an excuse for why you are ripping up something that has taken you some time to make.

It's a shame that did doesn't come with many extra figurines with refill packs being made available. That way you would have a perfect finish where you could hand out the result of your work.

I mean who has heard of making roses out of napkins for ladies on Valentines day only to not give them to the lady and rip them to bits after taking time to make them. That doesn't make much sense.
Message: Posted by: MagicBrent (Mar 8, 2012 3:34pm)
I agree. I did see that refills are available but they look pricey...can you answer about the flash paper possibility or the practicality of a flash vanish and then a production of a giveaway?
Message: Posted by: Shrubsole (Mar 8, 2012 6:03pm)
Well I don't actually own this, but if you are able to 'vanish' the figurine and change it for a piece of paper that you rip up instead, there is no reason why that couldn't be flash paper or directly the thing you are turning it into to give away. I would depend on what slights and false transfers you can already do or learn.
Message: Posted by: MagicBrent (Mar 8, 2012 6:19pm)
Ok, thx
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Mar 8, 2012 7:20pm)
Tim Trono's excellent idea was that you start making the statue, then you seem displeased with the results and as an afterthought you say, "oh, I got your nose all wrong." then crumple it up. It's not supposed to be "TAAAA DAHHHH!!!!! Just a subtle mind blower.
James

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On 2012-03-08 09:36, Shrubsole wrote:
The "justification for ripping up the origami" is to get you out of the obvious situation that they will want to keep it and you are not going to let them.

As for what excuse you can make for doing that, that will depend on your presentation and scripting. IE you will have to make up an excuse for why you are ripping up something that has taken you some time to make.

It's a shame that did doesn't come with many extra figurines with refill packs being made available. That way you would have a perfect finish where you could hand out the result of your work.

I mean who has heard of making roses out of napkins for ladies on Valentines day only to not give them to the lady and rip them to bits after taking time to make them. That doesn't make much sense.

Message: Posted by: Jamie Ferguson (Mar 9, 2012 4:28pm)
If anyone wants to know a source of relatively cheap refills give me a shout. I will ONLY give this advice to people who have bought the effect. You will need to prove this in your PM.
Message: Posted by: MagicBrent (Mar 12, 2012 9:27pm)
I for one am disappointed in how overpriced this is for what you get...there is no explanation for creating the alternative effects. I can see doing this on the offbeat moment. Maybe I'm just gullible in my childlike desire for real magic because when I saw how I myself might plan to create or appear to create a masterpiece with the toothpick and water version I thought it would be fun and it is in a sense because you can focus on presentation and story about who the figurine is. But when I went to view the DVD to find this masterpiece explanation I thought "is that it?". But I guess I must yield to the experience my spectators will have versus the real workings...ironically my 7 year old pegged exactly what was happening but my 11 year old bought it all
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Mar 12, 2012 9:34pm)
I "think" if you do this as a magic trick, it will have a flat reaction. But if you present it on the offbeat, it gets great reactions.

Then again, someone like David Regal could do it for a full audience and leave them startled. How does he do that?
Message: Posted by: MagicBrent (Mar 12, 2012 11:42pm)
The more I think about it the more respect I have for it...where to find a jewelers loop or lupe?
Message: Posted by: king2262 (Mar 21, 2012 4:36pm)
After watching the DVD and playing with the gimmick I love the idea of this effect .......
I'm just finding it hard to believe I'm gonna get away with it!!!!
Message: Posted by: Brad Burt (Mar 23, 2012 3:20pm)
I've got this and I've been putting a lot of thought into it. I love the idea, but I agree with several comments above: Is it a magic trick or what?

I actually think that it is. Here's what I think is happening when it works and provokes such positive response from lay folk: Consider the odd psychological effect/affect of seeing (time and time again) a amorphous bump in the road ahead as you are driving. Doesn't matter how many times this happens, it is almost always interpreted AS IF it's a dead animal of some kind. You get closer and the 'animal' changes into a 'dead' rag, or whatever. The point is that the 'thing' is not what we think it is and there is a kind of transformation that happens. Now, this happens and after about the 20th time we are generally 'ready' for it to be something other than expected, so the surprise with time is dilute.

But, consider the Figurine effect: Hands empty a small piece of white paper is openly manipulated and suddenly there is a perfect little statue of a 'people'. I'm convinced that for the non-magician this happens very much like a Retention of Vision kind of thing. There is a moment when the actual figure APPEARS to the viewer AS a molded piece of paper. They expect to see something indeterminate and then suddenly it's not what they expected. Blank startle reaction.

Now, comes a delicate moment! DO you hand it out or pass it around for confirmation? I think that Mr. Trono has hit on exactly the correct way to go only very briefly mentioned by Mr. Lennart: Show it, get reaction, then disassemble it back to paper.

Handing it out or passing it around will always in my opinion be the second choice. The reason is that folks know what plastic is and what it looks like, etc. In this particular case I don't think that there is ANY place for them to go, but that you very cleverly exchanged a piece of paper FOR a small plastic figure that looks like something you see on the top of wedding cakes or in a doll house.

It's the moment of CHANGE and then CHANGE again that I think makes this so startling.
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Mar 23, 2012 8:39pm)
I agree Brad. People's imagination will do much better than any examination. Later they will remember it looked exactly like them!
James


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On 2012-03-23 15:20, Brad Burt wrote:

Now, comes a delicate moment! DO you hand it out or pass it around for confirmation? I think that Mr. Trono has hit on exactly the correct way to go only very briefly mentioned by Mr. Lennart: Show it, get reaction, then disassemble it back to paper.

Handing it out or passing it around will always in my opinion be the second choice. The reason is that folks know what plastic is and what it looks like, etc. In this particular case I don't think that there is ANY place for them to go, but that you very cleverly exchanged a piece of paper FOR a small plastic figure that looks like something you see on the top of wedding cakes or in a doll house.

It's the moment of CHANGE and then CHANGE again that I think makes this so startling.

Message: Posted by: Eddie Garland (Mar 24, 2012 2:26am)
So true Brad!
I have been doing this quite a bit with straw paper from restaurant drinks, I always crumple it in the end leaving a damp wet paper mass to examine...and examine it they do.
I do enjoy this odd little effect.
Message: Posted by: Bietfriek (Mar 24, 2012 3:23am)
Different figurines can be used for a M.O. A magnifying glass could be used to show a ''hidden'' prediciton.
Message: Posted by: Freedomboy (Mar 24, 2012 12:48pm)
I've had this for the last few weeks and really love it! The bit that I really don't get is why anyone would want to hand it out???? I really hope I'm not contravening any rules here, but THINK about why you would not want to hand it out!!!!
Message: Posted by: Salby (Apr 8, 2012 1:57am)
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I just purchased this fom Fantasma...

I received 4 figuines:

- 1 Large Man (hands behind back with no open spacing between arms and body)
- 1 Large Woman (hands in front of body with no open spacing between arms and body)
- 1 Small Man (hands behind back with open spacing between arms and body)
- 1 Small Woman (hands on waist with open spacing between arms and body)

I was hoping for spacing between the arms & body in the large figurines.

I also thought I would be getting the man with the briefcasein his hand as shown in the 1st demo on the DVD.

Does every DVD come with different figurines??

The other figurines that I was hoping for look like more detail from afar.

Did eveyone else (or anyone) get the others??

If so, how can I get the othes without paying for anything else??... I'll trade them back to the company.

At a whopping $40.00, you should get what you want or at least everyone gets the same thing.
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Message: Posted by: Salby (Apr 9, 2012 12:32pm)
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Anyone can give me input as to what figurines come with their DVD... I am just curious if eveyone gets the same 4 figurines, or not. I am more concerned with getting the "Man with the Briefcase". (See my post just before this one (bottom of Page 3 of this thread) to see which figurines were included with my DVD.)

Lennart demos making a Figurine and then adds a paper briefcase to its hand. If he demos this effect like that on the DVD, then for $40.00 that figurine with the briefcase should be included.

I like Lennart and I would support his work and products, but this is WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY overpriced and I am a bit frustrated that I didn't get the same figurines as he demo'd for that price. He should have also included the Butterfly and Little Clear Plastic Case that he demo'd. Not that he needs to teach much, but ONLY ~30 minutes of teaching & demos is included, which also consists of a demo and explanation from his Master Files DVD Set.

Let's face it, I believe, other things should have been included in this DVD "kit" for a Whopping $40.00.

I feel I was jipped!!!
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Message: Posted by: professorwhut (Apr 9, 2012 4:32pm)
I did not get a man with a briefcase. I also bought the extended pack of extra gimmicks, also no briefcase.
However, not having the briefcase man is of no concern to me...I doubt I will ever actually perform this.
Message: Posted by: doug brewer (Apr 9, 2012 6:03pm)
Don't you "make" the briefcase and attach it to the figurine?
Message: Posted by: writeall (Apr 10, 2012 11:15am)
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On 2012-04-09 18:03, doug brewer wrote:
Don't you "make" the briefcase and attach it to the figurine?



Yes, but it's really hard to make because of the handle on the briefcase. Not as hard as the Nike logo on the tennis shoes though.

I heard there is a Figurine 2.0 coming out that will cover the sculpting of internal organs for all the people. That would be cool. I haven't done this for anyone yet. I can't seem to make anything worthwhile in under twenty minutes and I only have patter for ten. More practice!
Message: Posted by: doug brewer (Apr 10, 2012 2:40pm)
I'm guessing you don't have this DVD then, because it takes me less than 15 seconds to make a perfectly formed man figurine, facial features and all :)
Message: Posted by: writeall (Apr 10, 2012 9:31pm)
Doug, You got talent man. I'm all thumbs.

Are you using the custom toothpicks? I have a friend in Europe trying to find them for me.
Message: Posted by: Jamie Ferguson (May 6, 2012 9:23am)
R. Paul Wilson has developed a killer handling for Figurine. In particular it has the best clean up I've seen so far.

A video of his performance is available online but I'm not going to spoon feed you as to where to find it as I believe things are too readily available these days. Here's a clue though: a 75 year old will speak about it.
Message: Posted by: writeall (May 6, 2012 12:16pm)
A mystery to solve. Excellent!

Come Watson, the game's afoot.
Message: Posted by: Jamie Ferguson (May 6, 2012 12:21pm)
Let me know if you'd like another clue :)
Message: Posted by: toberman (May 7, 2012 10:56am)
Just watched R. Paul Wilson perform it. Nice version.
Message: Posted by: movemonkey (May 7, 2012 11:36am)
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On 2012-05-07 10:56, toberman wrote:
Just watched R. Paul Wilson perform it. Nice version.



any link?
Message: Posted by: writeall (May 7, 2012 12:33pm)
Yes please. I would like another clue.
Message: Posted by: Sean Macfarlane (May 7, 2012 1:24pm)
Great Clue! Think about it, you will get it.

S
Message: Posted by: Illucifer (May 8, 2012 8:26am)
Well, I've scanned both places online that are connected to the aforementioned "75 year old", but to no avail. Not sure why I'm not finding it. I don't think I'm wrong about the source, so anymore help here?
Message: Posted by: Theo Clubs (May 8, 2012 11:47pm)
I'm in Japan and have just located an excellent source for figurines of many shapes and sizes - dare I say all?

They're made from metal (solid, but not heavy), and far more durable (and less plastic looking) than what you get with the DVD.

Interested individuals either PM me or contact me through my website (see signature). Not meant to be a plug; I'm there a lot more than I'm here, that's all.

P.S. Another clue, please! ;)
Message: Posted by: bugjack (May 9, 2012 12:02am)
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On 2012-05-07 11:36, movemonkey wrote:
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On 2012-05-07 10:56, toberman wrote:
Just watched R. Paul Wilson perform it. Nice version.



any link?



This is not available by link.
Message: Posted by: toberman (May 9, 2012 12:39am)
Don't assume that the 75 year old is a person.
Message: Posted by: Illucifer (May 9, 2012 1:47am)
Never assumed that. I knew exactly to what "75 year old" referred. And I just found and watched this (I'd merely overlooked it the first time).
Good stuff.
Message: Posted by: writeall (May 9, 2012 6:05pm)
If you use the metal ones, start with some aluminum foil -- the stuff from a gum pack works great.
Message: Posted by: Doruk Ülgen (May 29, 2012 8:38pm)
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On 2012-04-09 12:32, Salby wrote:
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Anyone can give me input as to what figurines come with their DVD... I am just curious if eveyone gets the same 4 figurines, or not. I am more concerned with getting the "Man with the Briefcase". (See my post just before this one (bottom of Page 3 of this thread) to see which figurines were included with my DVD.)

Lennart demos making a Figurine and then adds a paper briefcase to its hand. If he demos this effect like that on the DVD, then for $40.00 that figurine with the briefcase should be included.

I like Lennart and I would support his work and products, but this is WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY overpriced and I am a bit frustrated that I didn't get the same figurines as he demo'd for that price. He should have also included the Butterfly and Little Clear Plastic Case that he demo'd. Not that he needs to teach much, but ONLY ~30 minutes of teaching & demos is included, which also consists of a demo and explanation from his Master Files DVD Set.

Let's face it, I believe, other things should have been included in this DVD "kit" for a Whopping $40.00.

I feel I was jipped!!!
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that's just what I am thinking, nice concept, not much to get from the dvd but ok, however the figurines are not satisfying. Ok, the idea is nice, I am ok to pay for it, but still: NO, the figurines are not satisfying, no its not, its just not... it really is not :) Given the fact that this was released on an earlier dvd series, with the sale of this as an individual product, I have expected to see more or better figurines (more realistic to paper or better assorted or better quantity). So yeah, I like it, but I am not satisfied with the purchase, come on, it would not have cost a dollar more if they included better figurines and if they did want to hold that dollar, I guess I am right to be not satisfied...