Topic: Stanley Collins Force

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Posted by: Steven Youell (Feb 23, 2012 1:41am)

Yay! The Monograph is done!

Bare Bones of JUST ONE of the six effects:

Spectator selects card.
Card vanishes from deck.
Card appears in magicians wallet, which is on the table.
No gaffs. No duplicates. No palming. No special wallet.

I've sent this out to more than 20 people to vet it.
Without exception, every single one said I should charge more than $12.00.

But I'm not going to.

Get Yours Here!

SEY

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Posted by: Vlad_77 (Feb 23, 2012 8:48am)

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On 2012-02-23 01:41, Steven Youell wrote:
Yay! The Monograph is done!

Bare Bones of JUST ONE of the six effects:

Spectator selects card.
Card vanishes from deck.
Card appears in magicians wallet, which is on the table.
No gaffs. No duplicates. No palming. No special wallet.

I've sent this out to more than 20 people to vet it.
Without exception, every single one said I should charge more than $12.00.

But I'm not going to.

Get Yours Here!

SEY

Folks,

The effect Steven cites in his new manuscript is indeed as good and as clean methodologically as it sounds. The manuscript is superb and the work on the SCF is second to none. The other effects in the manuscript are also excellent. Someone had posted sometime ago about the "Pick Me" plot. Steven has an approach in the manuscript that works beautifully. There is truly something for everyone in this latest work.

Ahimsa (It's back!),
Vlad

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Posted by: Axelchen (Feb 23, 2012 11:28am)

Folks,

Vlad is right, you get all there is to know about that technique, in depth thoughts on psychology, background, analysis of supposed alternatives, all hints to get the timing down etc. And, as Vlad has already mentioned, the effects are really superb and excellent. If you searched for a card to pocket routine, you will have a lot of fun with Stevens approach. And for 12 bucks you can´t go wrong.

All the best,

Axel

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Posted by: Magiguy (Feb 24, 2012 11:26am)

I have to agree. This is a terrific monograph which is, in my opinion, under-priced for its value. I am truly enjoying the material.

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Posted by: warren (Feb 24, 2012 12:47pm)

I would have liked to have seen a demo first.

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Posted by: Synatics (Feb 24, 2012 1:22pm)

Any chance of a demo? I'm interested but uncertain.

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Posted by: Axelchen (Feb 24, 2012 7:12pm)

Warren and Synatics,
I can understand your curiosity, but showing a demo would tip the handling and the timing, some core-treasures of the monograph. Stevens handling allows you to force a card or two in a most deceptive way, the spectator can change his mind and can repeat/change his choice, it looks all very fair and clean; you can use it for practicing the classic force without any fear. His handling has some advantages he discusses in the monograph and these advantages make this force really superior, practical and, best of all, very deceptive. The effects in this monograph are really superb. I tried the last days card to pocket on a really hard audience and, I know that it sounds exaggerated and as an cliché, but it killed. They changed their mind and positioned their card two times in other places, all ok, made their choice of colour and value, their chosen card wasn´t in the deck but in my pocket, and with Stevens invaluable hints and tipps on the handling, this effect was the center of the conversations (Stevens thoughtful handling provokes the discussion of the effects, so they promote you and your magic). As I said, you can´t go wrong with this superior publication from a real pro. I´ll bet you find something that´s worth the value of 12 bucks.

Axel

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Posted by: 1tepa1 (Feb 24, 2012 7:50pm)

I believe Steven had a video of this move a while ago.

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Posted by: Steven Youell (Feb 24, 2012 8:40pm)

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On 2012-02-24 19:12, Axelchen wrote:
The effects in this monograph are really superb. I tried the last days card to pocket on a really hard audience and, I know that it sounds exaggerated and as an cliché, but it killed. They changed their mind and positioned their card two times in other places, all ok, made their choice of colour and value, their chosen card wasn´t in the deck but in my pocket, and with Stevens invaluable hints and tips on the handling, this effect was the center of the conversations.

Axel, I am so happy to hear that you're killing with this material! Makes it worth the work!

SEY

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Posted by: Axelchen (Feb 24, 2012 9:01pm)

Steven, ask me if I am happy... I fell in love with that handling immediately, so clean, so fair, so secure, so versatile, flexible on most performance circumstances; nothing to detect for the spectator and no possibility to retrack, that's what I like, and they hardly can see the palming action... :rotf: So, I am really satisfied and also keen on(of?) trying the other effects in the next weeks. Thank you!

Axel

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Posted by: Steven Youell (Feb 24, 2012 9:14pm)

Thanks Axel-- I expect that not as many people will purchase this because it seems like an obscure move. However I hope the Monograph opens peoples eyes the the many possibilities the move provides.

SEY

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Posted by: Axelchen (Feb 24, 2012 9:43pm)

Yeah, I think the main problem is, that you can´t give a demo of it in public because it would give away much of the secrets of the handling. some will see this as "obscure", but actual they have to understand that you can´t give all away for free. All I can say, additional to what I have already said, is, that the move is very versatile, independent from the performance circumstances, deceptive, flexible, very useful...oh, I said this before... I wouldn´t say all this if I wouldn´t be convinced that this monograph improves your performances. Even if you don´t use the effects described (I don´t know why you shouldn´t use them): the handling gives you security on the classic force and on performances with a hard audience, because this technique is versatile, very reliable and very convining because of some nuances and subtleties described in there. I am glad to have it, to me it is very useful.

Axel

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Posted by: warren (Feb 25, 2012 11:48am)

Don't take this the wrong way but I find it strange that a demo would tip the move if its as good as you say it is.

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Posted by: Axelchen (Feb 25, 2012 12:08pm)

Ah, I see. I was already familiar with the basic technique and what was interesting for me were Stevens handling, subtleties and his approach. That´s to me the value of this monograph. And that´s what you would get to see on a video (for free...).

Axel

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Posted by: Steven Youell (Feb 25, 2012 3:10pm)

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On 2012-02-25 11:48, warren wrote:
Don't take this the wrong way but I find it strange that a demo would tip the move if its as good as you say it is.

Hey Warren-- I think maybe you're focused on the Sleight, not what you can do with it. Do you know anything about the move involved?

SEY

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Posted by: warren (Feb 26, 2012 2:11pm)

Hi Steven,no I'm not familiar with the sleight at all or what you can do with it.The fashion these days tends to be to put a demo up via youtube or something similar when people are selling items so that you can see what your buying that's the only reason I asked.
However I'm sure its good and that you will get plenty of sales I wish you well with it :)

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Posted by: Steven Youell (Feb 26, 2012 5:01pm)

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On 2012-02-26 14:11, warren wrote:
The fashion these days tends to be to put a demo up via youtube or something similar when people are selling items so that you can see what your buying...

And how would one do that if one is selling knowledge?

Thanks for the kind words, Warren-- you're a gentleman!

SEY

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Posted by: Dan McLean (Feb 27, 2012 3:11pm)

Received my copy last night. As usual, no one does it better that Mr. Youell. Haven't been able to work through all of it with cards in hand but the instruction have his usual clarity and the effects are first rate. He also pauses here and there to give his views on the theory behind his actions. Think that's my favorite part of this.
Looks like you've produced another winner, Mr Youell.

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Posted by: sevenup (Feb 27, 2012 11:48pm)

I think I need both video's because I still can't come close to doing the classic force. That is such a great skill to have. So the stanley collins force is a backup in the event the classic force doesn't work?

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Posted by: Dan McLean (Feb 27, 2012 11:51pm)

Hmmm. Well people were either awe struck by my prose or they're busy reading Mr. Youell's monograph. I'll add a few observations during the lull.

I like it when someone introduces me to a new concept. Steven did that with his thoughts on Reasonable Doubt. I like it a lot. I've seen others sort of allude to it in an off hand way. By that I mean they tell you to do something - the same thing Mr. Youell recommends - but they don't tell you why. Steven gives you the reasons for this technique. Very interesting reading.

He also mentions one of my favorite effects, which I think may lead to some hunting down his first set of lecture notes, Weapons of Mass Destruction. Kinda sorry he mentioned it. I do it at every convention I attend. I don't think I was there when Steven did this trick for Larry Jennings but I believe I was at that now legendary convention so many years ago in Southern California when it occurred. Done correctly this effect is very entertaining and a complete fooler for all spectators.

Hope you all are enjoying this as much as I am.

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Posted by: Vlad_77 (Feb 28, 2012 7:00pm)

I see there is a lot of talk about video demos here. Steven's instruction is SO good in this manuscript - no surprise considering that all of his works are uniformly excellent - that you won't NEED a video demo. For a mere 12.00 USD you are getting a killer treatise on a great force and yes, you can do miracles with this thing. Steven painstakingly discusses theory in there own section PLUS gives the reader nice tidbits of theory along the way that pertain to the process.

You can learn this technique in very little time and after trying a few of the effects Steven provides you will kick yourself for waiting for a demo when you could be frying your spectators. This is as Axel stated a very versatile move and Steven's effects are truly the tip of the iceberg. In fact, I am going to be using this for a David Regal effect from Apocalypse called "Yes, You Can Change Your Mind." The effect is excellent already but Steven's treatment of the SCF has convinced me that the SCF makes more sense at least for me in this excellent yet seldom discussed Regal effect.

The highest praise I can give this and other manuscripts by Steven is that - as I had stated in my review of his Classic Force manuscript - Steven Youell is one of those rare writers like Harry Lorayne whose style is such that you feel as those Steven is right there actually teaching you.

Ahimsa,
Vlad

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Posted by: sevenup (Feb 29, 2012 12:47am)

I just glanced through both monographs, the classic force and stanley collins force and I'm very happy with Stevens way with words. There is actually a short embedded video that shows the exact timing, gestures and words to say for both situations that can occur while doing the SCF. I never learned this force before but I feel like Steven made this real easy to understand and apply. I'll go through it more thoroughly in the next few days and try out some of the effects on the weekend.

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Posted by: Turk (Feb 29, 2012 4:27am)

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On 2012-02-24 21:14, Steven Youell wrote:
Thanks Axel-- I expect that not as many people will purchase this because it seems like an obscure move. However I hope the Monograph opens peoples eyes the the many possibilities the move provides.

SEY
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Hi, Steven.

Quite frankly (and being entirely selfish), because it is an obscure move, I would hope many people do not buy this...and that the Stanley Collins Force stays hidden for the discriminating few. (grin)

Seriously, IMHO, the greatest threat to magic secrets is exposure by people performing the slight/move badly. I had only vaguely heard of the Stanley Collins Force until you released your excellent manuscript. Now it's like I just slapped myself on the forehead as I exclaimed "WOW! I could have had a V-8!" What an eye-opener this manuscript was to me. And, with the effects included, it really gets the creative juices flowing.

IMHO, with your manuscript explaining the sleight sooo very well, there is really no good excuse for performing the move badly.

All the foregoing aside, I hope you sell a million copies of this manuscript. You worked hard on this manuscript and it clearly shows.

Best,

Mike

P.S. Is there going to be a Vol 3, vol 4...etc. in this series? If so, I eagerly await your next tome.

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Posted by: tomsk192 (Feb 29, 2012 6:26pm)

I give this two thumbs up.

(randomly selected thumbs, no less)

Tom

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Posted by: NFW (Mar 4, 2012 3:55pm)

Steven do you need to be familiar with move already or will this take you from zero to learning the move ?

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Posted by: Steven Youell (Mar 4, 2012 4:14pm)

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On 2012-03-04 15:55, NFW wrote:
Steven do you need to be familiar with move already or will this take you from zero to learning the move?

From Ground Zero.

SEY

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Posted by: Vlad_77 (Mar 5, 2012 5:42am)

So, I thought I would chime in again to reassure those who still may be recalcitrant about purchasing this manuscript.

I leaned the SCF as Steven teaches it - in painstaking detail I might add - in mere minutes. The SCF is SO fair looking. I performed the "Pick Me" effect - one of the effects included in the manuscript - over the weekend for a number of different people and it KILLED. The SCF serves so many purposes and those who purchased Steven's treatise on the Classic Force already know this.

Anyhow, the SCF is technically quite easy and so fair looking that not ONE spectator - and this includes some slightly inebriated and VERY tough folk at my now favorite Dutch watering hole - even wanted to change her/his mind on the selection. The really nice thing about the SCF is that unlike the SBCPM, there is:

1. No discrepancy
2. It takes care of the problem inherent with the SBCPM in that using anything other than a business card requires some justification which to paraphrase Steven is hazy.

I will again reiterate that you really need to read the Theory interludes in the manuscript as well. As usual Steven goes into excellent detail discussing underlying psychological underpinnings and his ability to communicate the necessary subtleties that raise the technique from mere mechanics into something that approaches art is a must read.

Frankly, 12.00 USD IS far too low for this manuscript so thank you Steven for giving the community so much for so little.

Please give this a try? You won't be sorry. Look, I am a HACK and can do this thing so imagine what YOU can do with it in minutes!!

Ahimsa,
Vlad

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Posted by: NFW (Mar 5, 2012 10:54am)

Hi Steven (and Vlad) well Im in, just paid on Stevens web site, so I await with interest...

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Posted by: Steven Youell (Mar 5, 2012 2:30pm)

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On 2012-03-05 10:54, NFW wrote:
Hi Steven (and Vlad) well Im in, just paid on Stevens web site, so I await with interest...

Just emailed you a copy! Thanks!

SEY

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Posted by: NFW (Mar 5, 2012 3:25pm)

Yes, got it thanks Steven - I will post some thoughts when I have had some time to read through.