(Close Window) Topic: Rinkey ringflight handling
Message: Posted by: Prismatic (Mar 13, 2012 3:23pm)
I find the handling of this trick awkward, it's a little noisy, the angles need most specs to be looking at eye level and the search function isn't working for me. Any tips? please no "buy ringflight revelation". I want to work with what I've got and it sucks but dagnamnit I'll make it look good. the instructions admittedly were a bit lacklustre, tips? PM me if you worry about exposure
Message: Posted by: Prismatic (Mar 15, 2012 5:13pm)
OK, nothing so far, doesn't really matter because I think reel based ring flights are not only inferior but noisy, cheap and not worth working with. I'm assuming better methods can be achieved with sharpened prestidigitation.
Message: Posted by: music (Apr 3, 2012 12:13pm)
I don't have a ring flite, however I believe Mark Leveridge makes a non reel ring flite that the end results shows the ring hanging with you keys in a key case. May be worth checking out.
Message: Posted by: ross welford (Apr 3, 2012 1:14pm)
I had this years ago, and played with it, performed it a few times. It rocked. In fact, you've reminded me that it's in a drawer somewhere and I should dig it out. The problems I encountered:
1. The string was just a little too short for comfort
2. It didn't lock. Sure you could put a loop in it, but that shortened the string further.
3. THe clip was just a little bit too big for comfort.

Otherwise it was fine. The noise didn't worry me. I usually did it with the keys in my back pocket, and attached the ring at sort of waist level. Why don't I do it more? I dunno really. I suppose I was uncpmfortable with attaching the ring and scared of losing it. Might get it out again though...
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Apr 3, 2012 1:32pm)
Look at "Just IN Case" at www.porperoriginals.com NO REEL NO FUSS.
Message: Posted by: arthur stead (Apr 5, 2012 12:48pm)
For those who are interested, I'm selling one of the above-mentioned "reel-less" Ring Flites by Mark Leveridge. It's a simple but very magical and effective way of accomplishing the same thing a Ring Flite can do. Here's a link to Mark's "Fly Ring" in the "Tricks for Sale" section:

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=461212&forum=76&0

Arthur Stead
www.arthurstead.com
Message: Posted by: Yano (Apr 22, 2012 10:34pm)
I think reels still are good, angles I haven't had a problem before. Were you wearing a blazer?
Message: Posted by: Merc Man (May 3, 2012 2:17pm)
Prismatic - I put this info on another post last November. It may be worth a read.

PM me if you want the way I hook up and handle the misdirection.




A post from a longggggg time back but maybe worthy of chatting about to test the waters - 5 1/2 years down the line from the last post!

Okay - so Rinkey Dinkey.

What have I read before on this, and other, forums?

(i) - Reel problems
(ii) - Difficulties with angles
(iii) - Difficulty attaching the spectators ring
(iv) - Noisy

Well, I've used mine now regularly for the last three years so what can I report back on.

(i) There's been no jams, breaks, rings flying through the air and all the other things that people seem to worry about that I don't know really happen in the 'real world' (no pun intended). Then again, I treat the prop with respect. I don't pull the necessary fully out to within an inch of it's life, and I've worked on a way so that it stops (obviously out of sight!) midway thru flight (if you get what I mean) so that the remaining 50% of the ring's journey is slower and doesn't hit the key at breakneck speed - thus overcoming potential mechanical problems. I also don't use the prop to bungee jump, lasso raging bulls or tow caravans - so by treating it with respect (to do the job it's designed for) I don't envisage problems. That said, if there ever WAS a problem, I have a 100% cast iron get out of jail card.

(ii) Difficulties with angles - well I must admit having not performed it totally surrounded by 500 people at a nudist beach but come on guys - this is predominantly a trick to perform whilst strolling - you can use nearly every natural body movement under the sun to cover the necessary - WORK ON IT - for heaven sake - whatever happened to PRACTICE?

(iii) Ring attachment problems - seen this on a few reviews and all I can say is that if you think that the spectator's ring is difficult to attach, then quite honestly you are doing something wrong. The clip can be held in a totally natural position, the clip is very loose to open yet still snaps shut tightly AND it's the only version I've ever used/seen that takes a much larger ring than most. I've also (previously) tried the Mark Leveridge version (clever idea) and the Gaeton Bloom version by Vernet. The Leveridge version is okay but it's got its faults - whereas the Vernet version can only mostly be used for very narrow female wedding bands, etc. Also, both of these use a key case which (and I may be wrong) is not an item that people readily use in the UK; NOR possibly even seen - unless they are over 96 years of age! This is even more worrying with the Bloom version, the prop just cries 'gimmick'. Who has ever seen such a little camp purse with a gold chain hanging from within it? It cries out 'magic trick gimmick' in my view. Also, sticking your thumb inside to open up a spring loaded purse is hardly natural nor very convincing close-up.

(iv) Noise - this is actually quite a comical negative. I can only assume that the 'people will hear it' brigade are probably those that worry about getting caught palming cards, or the noise a shell coin makes, etc. For heaven sake where do these people perform - in a monastery or at a wake? For goodness sake - how anyone can worry about the 'noise' in a bar or restaurant table hopping environment amazes me!

Well there you go - just an update on a prop that was all the rage a few years back and then seems to have been lost in the wilderness.

The purpose of this post? Maybe, just maybe, it will spur one or two of you into digging it out of the drawer, cleaning it up and giving it another go.

If this happens, and just a handful of magicians decide to go and use it - and entertain people with a beautiful piece of magic, then the last 10 minutes of my life typing this have been more than worthwhile.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (May 3, 2012 2:43pm)
MercMan, you had me totally, until you started with, no one carries a squeeze key-case and no one puts their thumb in one to open it.

1st squeeze key cases have been around a long time. As a matter of fact, England was the 1st to carry them that I know of back in the 1970's.

No 2 people are alike, and where one puts his thumb in to open something, another puts his finger in and some even stick their tongue in openings. The best way is to use the purse as intended with a squeeze, but depending on the gizmo that opens, and there are different gizmo's, it may take a different handling.

You are absolutely correct, that a reel is not intended to be released until it well near the body taking the shortest route to its destination.

With the people that do not care to use the proper handling of a reel, you are speaking on deaf ears. They would rather complain instead of practice and find a method that works for the way they dress and move about in the world.

That is all I read on the Café, the trick is the fault for everything the person cannot do, when in fact, it is time to start blaming themselves for not learning the proper way to present magic tricks.

So guess what everyone, it is you and not the trick that doesn't work properly!!

Hard to hear, well think about it!! Do your homework, now go to bed, and wake up tomorrow with a new attitude that will take you to the next level as a magician.
Message: Posted by: Merc Man (May 3, 2012 4:21pm)
WM - yep, I do remember squeeze cases BUT my point was that I NEVER see them nowadays. Also, I've only ever seen them as coin purses - not key cases.

Whatever their popularity these days, nothing looks as natural (in my view) as a bunch of keys on a key ring.

Maybe I've just seen the Gaeton Bloom version demmed/performed badly over the years. For example, I've seen the purse left in the spectators possession throughout the build up. The question I then have to ask is why THEY aren't subsequently allowed to spring it open for the ring's reveal? It just isn't logical - to my way of thinking.

The Gaeton Bloom method (and let's be honest - the man is a genius) also doesn't leave you clean without additional work at the conclusion.

However, my main gripe, as mentioned above, is that the clasp is far too small to use for anything other than a female ring that has a very narrow band. When you are working for example, at weddings, these types of ring hardly seem to be worn by the younger set; who often prefer wider, costume jewellery.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (May 3, 2012 6:15pm)
Merc Man, again your are correct on much of what you say, but being I was not actually commenting on the Bloom case, I was actually commenting on the normal case itself and the one I use is a Ken Brooke squeeze case with reel inside.

As for your comment on why not let the spectator squeeze the case. Well, for one very good reason, showmanship. Even if that was possible, and it is with another Ken Brooke Key Case I have, non-squeeze purse version. The attention should be on you as the performer and miracle maker. Do you want them to remember you doing the magic or the spectator doing the magic.

They just might call the spectator up for their nest gig offer, and not you. I realize this can be argued over and over, but in the end many forget, they are the magician and should be the center of attention in the end of any trick.

There are lots of self-working tricks on the market and puzzles, and it that is what you want, go for it; but I am speaking to persons that want to be considered a magician, and that means being a showman as well.

I wish I could find more squeeze purse key cases, I used my 3 normal ones for years and liked them a lot, so many advantages. Now with the Internet driving stores out of business, I cannot find them, and I have searched heavily. I use to buy mine at men's stores and department stores in the leather goods department. The ones with the spring wire are the best. Dang I miss that little thing.
Message: Posted by: Merc Man (May 3, 2012 7:35pm)
WM - WOW! You've got Jim Hooper's Flying Ring with the Nemo Reel?

That is a VERY RARE TRICK - and a thing of real beauty.

Regarding the spring top purses - are these any good for you?

http://www.cards4magic.co.uk/cgi-bin/sh000001.pl?REFPAGE=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2ecards4magic%2eco%2euk%2facatalog%2fContainers__Purses_Etc_%2ehtml&WD=spring%20purse&PN=Containers__Purses_Etc_%2ehtml%23a10691#a10691