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On 2010-06-05 17:49, truthteller wrote:
You wrote:I could name many, many great performers that never borrowed iota one from anyone....and those would be my favorites.

Now, that reads to me like you are saying there are many great performers (present tense - they exist) who never borrow one iota. Those non-bowering performers are your favorites.

I realize 'would be' can be read in a future tense. As in, if non-borrowing performers existed, they would then be my favorite.

But that contradicts your assertion that you can now name many non borrowing greats.

Now, I can imagine someone trying to do all original material - but I don't know if that condition would make them great or even allow them to book shows.

Even the single magician you named was asked to no longer perform in the palace of mystery because the lay audience response was so negative to his act.

Just because it's original, does not mean it is good.

(And in fairness to sylvester, I think other elements were in play).

So, based on YOUR words, it seems that you can name many MANY magicians (5? 10?) who 'never borrowed one iota'. It also seems that these are your favorites but maybe you were speaking in a future tense.

And yes, I think sylvester had a great idea. We can even bandy around the word original, though I think that would require some clarification. Would Maskelyne consider his act high art by the definition set forth in Our Magic?

Again, worthy of discussion.

But that's not the same as saying 'never borrowed one iota' is it?

See, you drew a hard line - one I don't think that can be defended.

I called you on it.

Now, if we want to talk about original or different or commercial or artistic - then we get into shades and gradiations.

Is it ok to borrow a line but not a script? A trick but not a line?

I think that is an important discussion. And it becomes interesting once we move outside of theory into practice.

Is blaine a professional? What about the cruise ship act doing whit's rings and martin's cardrise?

I know a master machinist who can make the smallest of screws and any bolt in the world.

But when he builds something, he buys those from the store because its a better use of his resources.

There are many reasons a magician, a professional magician, would want to acquire a ready made routine.

Because they do is no reason to claim they can't also come up with their own or they are less than a professional.

So, still standing by the one iota claim?

You sure do write a lot for someone who left.
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