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[quote] On 2011-12-20 13:54, El Mystico wrote: I think a useful start point is this http://archive.denisbehr.de/show.php?cat=1291 I've said elsewhere, you can't say that all tricks using estimation are the same trick. But I think Abbott was the first to use the idea of dealing the cards into several piles to eliminate the range from the estimation; as published in the Encyclopedia of Card Tricks in 1937. However, the Abbott version used a key card, and some maths which made it a bit complicated for performance. Also the Abbott version described in the Encyclopedia did not have a clear ending. This was addressed in Expert card Technique, where a down/under deal was introduced. I'm not aware of any significant contribution to this trick, until Harry Lorayne published Stop! He simplified the maths, and added a powerful ending. There is a question of whether Stop! is the same trick as the Abbott trick. That got heated in the "Workers" thread; because I guess it depends on your definition of a 'trick'. I'm not aware of a standard definition among magicians. I'd be surprised if Harry had developed Stop! without being aware of the Abbott trick. However, for me, he turned a curiosity into a strong, practical effect. And, in magic, that's what matters. [/quote]
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