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[quote] On 2005-03-02 09:43, bishthemagish wrote: [quote] On 2005-03-01 22:58, Bill Hallahan wrote: The story is an autobiography by a real cheating gambler. That makes it a valid source of information about how a real cheating gambler might relate his experiences. And while George Devol did not give detailed methods, he was unquestionably a cheat. [/quote] I can't speak for every autobiography but most of them have little to do with facts. This was just a story and has nothing to do with Vernon or Erdnase. How true a story is depends on the person telling it or in this case - writing it. This story was written to sell. Not to present facts of the time! It reminds me of many stories like the old western dime books. [quote] On 2005-03-01 22:58, Bill Hallahan wrote: When the young Dai Vernon wanted to learn more about card methods he didn’t look for other magicians, he looked for, and found, men involved in gambling! [/quote] Yes that was Vernons quest but I see little of what Wernons quest and his gifts to magic has to do with the Dime book of George Devol. [quote] On 2005-03-01 22:58, Bill Hallahan wrote: The reason I initially mentioned George Devol was to support the position that cheating gamblers are often broke. Big games that supported their lifestyle do not happen every day. They have to wait for a high roller to come around. I don’t know if Erdnase was primarily a card cheat or a magician, but if he was a card cheat, his story about needing money is very credible. If Erdnase was primarily a magician, then was lying when he implied that he was primarily a cheat! [/quote] If you were to study the lives of both Vernon and Charlie Miller you would find that there were times that they needed the money. Most magicians are not rich. Many times during a magicians life they need the money. If Erdanse was a magician he did close up magic and at the time of the book there was no market for a close up magician to make a living. I would say that there is a better chance that Erdnase was a magician that was out of work. And as magicians out of work - speaking as a magician that has been out of work - there were times that we need the money! Erdnase also wrote the book that inspired both Dai Vernon and Ed Marlo. I am sure that if he was a card shark and he needed the money he could have found a backer and play for the house of many of the saloons that had card games at the time. In other words with his SKILL and in the day he lived cheating would have been money in the bank for him. And if he played with partners that would have made cheating even easier! But I feel he was an out of work magician not an out of work card cheat. Because in his day it is easy to find a game. And just as easy to find backers! [/quote]
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