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FRANZIS New user 86 Posts |
Hi everyone,
In 1986 I met Bobby Bernard who taught me the Down's Coin Star, as it was describe in his book "Master Teach in series: Coin Magic" by Lewis Ganson. I perform it with silver dollars (soft Morgan). I gathered a lot information from Down's (old movie, photos and various description of the move). I wonder if someone else is very interested in the Down's Coin Star? |
Chris "linkster" Watson Special user England 564 Posts |
Interested yes....can perform it no
I can manage the 4 coin vesion but can't get the fith coin. I have also had the priveledge of getting a lesson on the thumb/ first finger move from Bobby and have the book you mentioned...guess I need to practice it a bit more. I love the information he gives regarding getting your hands n the right condition for coin magic including the tip from Cardini...great book. |
Dredz Loyal user La Famiglia! East Coast 257 Posts |
I do it all the time. I teach how on my dvd Extreme Koin magic. Plus many more sleights and flourishs
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FRANZIS New user 86 Posts |
I fall in love with this trick a long time ago.
When I performed stage magic with coins, it was the climax of my routine. With The Bobby BERNARD way it is possible to perform it on stage. Bobby BERNARD was fanastic. I meet him in Belgium, in 1986 at the IBM Congres. He performed a lot of tricks. His spellbound is interesting also, and the crease palm (for magicians only), and the Hummer pemetration. |
Vandy Grift Inner circle Milwaukee 3504 Posts |
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On 2006-02-03 08:22, Dredz wrote: I've had the DVD for a long time and I still can't do it!! It's not the teachers fault though. LOL.
"Get a life dude." -some guy in a magic forum
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TREV STONE New user 41 Posts |
When Tommy downs coins for the coin star were examined by a fellow magician (Cardini), the thumb coin was slightly hollowed on the head side and full of magicians wax. When asked why Tommy replied he could perform the effect with ungaffed coins, but why take the chance.
I have spent months trying to achieve this effect without the aid of wax and find I can perform the effect but always lose the pinky coin on the reproduction. If I was to perform this effect on a stage to be honest I'd rather use wax on all the coins and either switch them out, or finish with a complete vanish(toppit). Reproducing clean duplicates from elsewhere. |
FRANZIS New user 86 Posts |
You are right, sometimes is better tu use wax or glue.
But with practice, and the trick is always at the end, I am not stress, and it is possible to perform. I had also the pinky problem, I put the coin on the edge of the fingers, so when you open your hand the pinky coin will not fall. |
FCpreacher Elite user PA 439 Posts |
I do this with both hands, but only after A LOT of trial and error. I saw how Joe does his, how Charlie Frye does his, and how (I think it was) Shaun Greer does his (I saw it on the COINVENTION DVD set). The slight variation between these mentioned is how they get the fifth one up. Charlie Frye has somewhat of a "hitch hiker's thumb." I do not. He balances the coins as his hand is almost at a 90 degree angle with the ground (his thumb pointing almost straight up with the exception of the hitch hiker's thumb). Joe's hand is completely flat when he does his.
To get the fifth coin is extremely difficult and a few millimeters difference of thumb placement changes things a lot. The moisture level in my hands matters so much. I treat my hands with anti-perspirant before performing - otherwise coins will be all over the floor. Even though I have this down well enough that I performed it in a competition, I either have to practice it often to stay sharp or resharpen it before I perform it again. One more thing is that the weight of the coins makes a difference. I cannot do this with coins that are too light. I think trial and error is huge when learning this. FC |
Cory Gallupe Inner circle Nova Scotia, Canada 1272 Posts |
Bobo talks about it in "JB Bobos Modern Coin Magic" He was aying that he found Downs coins, and on one of them there was a little hole thing. Not a full hole, but a little dug out part with some magicians wax one it. He says it was for the thumb in the star to help it stay in place.
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KirkG Inner circle 1391 Posts |
I saw a young man do it at the first Coinvention in Vegas with both hands at the same time. Very secure. He was from Arizona, but I forgot his name.
Kirk |
Paul Chosse V.I.P. 1955 - 2010 2389 Posts |
I met a wonderful Japanese magician in 1979. He came to San Francisco to visit and stopped in at The House of Magic, where I worked. At the time I thought I was a pretty hotshot "coinman" and I did all sorts of magic for this fellow, including my "version" of the coin star. At the time the best I could muster was a four coin rollout, then into the star. It looked pretty good, but it was just four coins. Well, after I finished Mr. Hoshino asked for my coins. I gave him the four halves I'd been using and, not speaking english very well, he gestured for more coins. I gave him another four. He "asked" for more. I gave him ANOTHER four. That seemed to satisfy him. He stacked six in each hand, rolled them out holding three between his thumb and forefinger of each hand, then one between each of the remaining digits. Next he dropped one into each palm and did the star with the remaining five, so that he ended with a six coin display in each hand! The coins seemed to almost "jump" into position. Well, I didn't do that flourish for a very long time after that, I can tell you!
Best, PSC
"You can't steal a gift..." Dizzy Gillespie
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harris Inner circle Harris Deutsch 8812 Posts |
I use this as part of my Magic with a Message in Schools and Churches.
My patter has to do with balance in ones life. It can be done with both hands as well as with different sized coins. Somewhere I remember seeing the following versions. 1. With a hankerchief and bottle production.(Mr. Read) 2. Coins through the body followed by coin star. 3. Coins through the table followed by coin star. When I miss (and yes I do occassionally) I quip, it's ok to make a mistake. That just makes us human. (We are all bozos on this human bus...altered Firesign Theatre line) Harris Deutsch Laughologist and Nearly Normal Magician
Harris Deutsch aka dr laugh
drlaugh4u@gmail.com music, magic and marvelous toys http://magician.org/member/drlaugh4u |
FRANZIS New user 86 Posts |
It is interesting to see that quite a few people are interested in this branch of coin magic. The coin star is for me a kind of legend because of Nelson DOWNS.
Only a few people in france work on that kind of sleight of hands. The buckley book is unknown as the DOWNS work. It is like the back palming, like the card production, it is a wonderfull move from the past that can be used by the present day performers. It's good to see that I am not alone in the south of France. |
harris Inner circle Harris Deutsch 8812 Posts |
IMHO it is good that not too many people are doing it in your area.
I also believe it is good to go to the past and bring up things that fit you and your programs. Back in the 70's not to many performers were doing the muscle pass, visually or hidden. These days it even can be seen at the T.V. Programs on Hold-Em Poker Games. Standing out somewhere in the Nearly Normal Field of Coins. Harris Deutsch
Harris Deutsch aka dr laugh
drlaugh4u@gmail.com music, magic and marvelous toys http://magician.org/member/drlaugh4u |
Cascade88 Regular user Sam 104 109 Posts |
Put a little magicians wax on your thumb.
"Once is magic Twice is education."
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