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Ed_Millis Inner circle Yuma, AZ 2292 Posts |
There's a production tube in which you show the tube empty, stretch tissue over each end, then break the tissue and pull out many items. Not sure of the proper name - drum tube?? One of the items I want to produce is a stuffed elephant about 14" tall.
How do y'all figure out the dimensions for a project like this? Is it just the space to fif the largest item? Or are there other considerations that a novice builder might not think of? And what materials would you use for this? I've seen something similar using a Pringles can. But when you get bigger, you're also looking at weight, especially after you load it. Any pointers are appreciated. Ed |
Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
Ed...
Phantom tube or Ghost tube The name of this ancient prop depends on how the gaff is "installed". There is also a GENII tube which is hinged to open lengthwise, to show it empty. It is "double gaffed" None of these will "do" what you want to do! They are designed to produce silks, ribbons, or similar loads. Dick Stoner loads in a small "hat coil" to finish his Genii tube. You would most likely find that a Square Circle would "work", as the tube is not gaffed, and therefore could load a solid object like a stuffed toy. PM me, if you wish. I can go into more detail.
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gimpy2 Special user 960 Posts |
There is drum head tube where you stretch a tissue over one end then show empty then put a tissue over the other end and then produce silks. Not going to work for a stuffed animal, not enough room. You could do it with nesting production tubes where you show one tube empty slide first tube thru the first show second tube empty. Re nest tubes and produce stuffed animal. could probably make it out of round concrete forms. They are heavy cardboard and nest. should be able to decorate pretty easy. Enameled sheet aluminum would work for the tubes also
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jimgerrish Inner circle East Orange, NJ 3209 Posts |
It is called a drum-head tube and you'll find it pictured and described in Hoffmann's Later Magic, page 167. The originals were all about the diameter of a toilet paper center tube, but U.F. Grant made one about 4 inches in diameter. His gimmick was not pointed, but flat with another sheet of tissue across it so after loading it and putting on the bottom tissue for the drum head, he could show the inside to the audience and they would see nothing out of place. Then the top end was put on and the production could be made from either end of the tube because the center tissue, at this point, could be broken to get at the load from either top or bottom. At the end, the tube could be shown completely empty even with the gimmick still in place (no need to dispose of it).
Take a lot of the stuffing out of the toy animal and replace it with soft sponge balls. Later you can transform the elephant into sponge balls, if you wish.
Jim Gerrish
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Tally_NSA Loyal user Essex, UK 222 Posts |
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On May 17, 2016, Ed_Millis wrote: As the other posts above point out, a Drum Tube wont work for what you have in mind. So, try a Square Circle production box instead. With that method, you can make the production tube as big as you want. |
Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
It can work, with at steal, just produce a number of silks, gather them up and produce the stuffed animal.
Also, Abbott's Tambo Rings will work, it is an old trick, but great for children. Put a sheet of newspaper between to rings, then break he center of the paper an produce a paper ribbon called a Hat Coil, use a fiberglass stick to swirl the ribbon out of the newspaper, then gather up the paper ribbon, then steal, and produce your stuffed animal from within. The kids go crazy over the paper ribbon. They all want to touch it, and have fun with it too. |
jimgerrish Inner circle East Orange, NJ 3209 Posts |
Well, I guess I just have to show you that, while the drum-head tubes sold in magic stores won't work for this, the drum-head principle most certainly CAN work with either a round cylinder tube of any size, or a square rectangular tube made of hardboard and duct tape, as can be found in my "Hardboard and Duct Tape Magic Book 3" at The Magic Nook. You can actually make it of foam-board, or even cardboard if you prefer. The advantage to this principle, over the others, is that all the parts can be handed to a spectator before the production to have him help you look at the audience through the empty tube, cover the ends with paper, and then hold the tube up as you reach inside to make the productions. You can't do that with any of the other production apparatus mentioned.
Jim Gerrish
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Dan Ford Special user Illinois 753 Posts |
Use a Massal tube, that you can make yourself for the size needed.
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MentalistCreationLab Inner circle 1528 Posts |
If your making the main tube from thin plastic or sheet metal then the material will be cut at x height determined by the size of the load and the overall tube size you want now the diameter is a different story as an object that is say 6" round is not six inches long. To figure out this here is a sheet metal calculator http://www.engineersedge.com/calculators......_pop.htm the trick here is to add a bit of room to the measurements of the loads width. This way the load can be removed with ease from the tube. Measurements for the calculator are in thousands so a quarter inch would be .250 an eighth inch is .125 half is .500 and so forth. there for 3/8" would be .375 the last bit was for those who do not know thousandths measuring system.
Also note the calculator show the inside diameter of the circle there should be a calculator for out side bending as well plus you will need to add a small amount for over lap or folded seam. But the above should get you close. I have most of this info in an old machinist book with a thousand charts one of the handiest things I ever bought as it has saved me much time when trying to calculate this type of stuff and trying to figure out feeds and speeds for optimal cutting. The old guys who wrote these type of books were smart as all get out. Any of the books before 1940 should have these charts as well such as Audell's |
Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
P.S.....As I mentioned (first post above) a square circle would be the easiest.
I must plead stupidity! I don't know what a Massai tube IS! Otherwise the TAMBO RINGS would be less bulky to carry. I've used them for producing a hat coil, and, then stealing a load, as Bill HEGBLI suggests. The late Jerry Conklin would steal a huge rabbit and produce itfrom the coil to finish his school show. When a program chairman on a club date, asked me to produce an 'award' or trophy of some sort, the rings and hat coil "did it"! Use a LONG dowel stick (a yard long) painted like a king size wand, if you like, to produce the coil. I use a lecturer's "baton" or pointer, as it breaks in half for packing. Hat coils, when I was a teen, were 20 cents. Now! a dollar--but WORTH IT!
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Blair Marshall Inner circle Montreal, Canada 3660 Posts |
There are so many tube productions (with non gimmicked tubes), but for tube material cement form tubes purchased at a reno center should do the trick, most are made of thick cardboard. I believe they start at 6" and go right up. I've purchased two nesting sizes to make my Kuma production tubes out of. Even in the same size they are made to nest (to save on transpost costs) So in 6" you could find two that will nest. (The size is nominal.)
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Ed_Millis Inner circle Yuma, AZ 2292 Posts |
Thanks for all the inputs. I appreciate these suggestions, and especially the time and sharing your knowledge.
Ed |
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