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stickmondoo Veteran user 306 Posts |
Hi there. I love using A Memorized Deck and think it's one of the best tools a Card Magician has at their disposal. However, I also like to just borrow a shuffled deck and work with that too. After reading Harry Lorayne's new book Jaw Droppers and reading his impromptu version of the Juan Tamariz trick Blown away, I realised you could use the same principle with the Memorized Deck tp perform some pretty cool Memory Demonstrations using the 1-26 27-52 split of a Mem Deck rather than the Red Black separation (actually I really only use 1-13 14-26, but you know what I mean.). I was wondering if anyone here knew of other routines that are completely impromptu any Deck any time that use specific Properties of the Memorized Deck without depending on having the stack in order. I know there are routines that allow you to stack the deck in the course of other tricks. This is not what I mean. Cards can be messed up at the end. Thanks.
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JBSmith1978 Veteran user NY 389 Posts |
There are several principles that rely on cards having a secret value/ meaning. Gilbreath for instance.
Perhaps you can clarify what you're inquiring about. Obviously most FASDIU can be done straight from memdeck. There are also many memdeck effects that can be performed from slightly unmanaged shuffles. If the question is simply can one approximate most(all?) memdeck effects using nonmemdeck methods the answer is of course yes. |
stickmondoo Veteran user 306 Posts |
Thanks for your reply JB. The question was really about the first part of your reply. Are their any really cool routines, and where could I find them, that rely on your secret knowledge of the card/stack number that do not require any set up at all. Like harry loraynes version of Blown away. You just take a shuffled deck, remove a few cards without overtly altering the order in any way and can perform a trick relying on your secret knowledge of stack numbers of your mem deck. I will describe briefly the one I have been performing to give you some idea of what I mean. I take the shuffled deck and go through it face up asking anyone around to remember as many of the cards I'm throwing onto the table as they can. Then in the process of just casually tossing random cards onto the table I alternate cards from stack number 1-13 and stack number 14-26. So the order in stack numbers might start like 3 - 19 - 7 - 14 - 6 - 22 - 1 - 17 etc no specific order just as you come to them. When dealt all the 26 cards alternately like this I now false mix the packet and deal into two separate piles (actually use a procedure from Rick Lax Binary code to make it look really messy but dealing into two piles does the job) at the end of this I ask people to call out some of the cards they were remembering say 6 or seven and tell them I was keeping track of all the cards and tell them what pile each card is in. You can now use the separation of the two piles in lots of other cool memory tricks. Say you could get rid of all stack numbers from 14 - 26 and using first 13 cards you could have someone remove three cards and put them in the card box and you look through remaining ten cards and can tell them which cards are in the card box due to you knowing what three cards are missing from first 13 cards of your stack.
These are the kind of routines I mean. Your secret knowledge of your mem deck is doing all the work but can be done from a shuffled deck. Hope that is clearer. Thanks again for your reply. |
Cain Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 1553 Posts |
Before adopting a memorized stack, I went through a phase where I (re-)created a bunch of memorized-separation tricks similar to what you describe. I asked Michael Close if he could recommend anything in the memorized separation vein, and he said "Neither Blind Nor Stupid" by Juan Tamariz (I've never seen it under the title "Blown Away").
This kind of coded meaning can be useful for locating cards, assuming you have a good excuse to go through the pack face up. You could, for instance, have a card selected from one half and replaced in the other. This does not necessarily mean a card is selected from the top half and then replaced in the bottom. If you want to get overly clever, your distribution in a fan could be 13 X cards followed by 26 O cards followed by 13 X cards. Have someone select from the center, then, while they memorize/show the selection, you execute a pass and have the card replaced back in the center (which now consists of X cards). To the extent that I still use a memorized separation, I do not code via my stack numbers. I use a separation from an old Harry Riser idea, one that's consistent with John Bannon's "Dead Reckoning" and can easily be adapted to Simon Aronson's Prediction Shufflebored. Another trick I did was also inspired by Bannon's Dear Mr. Fantasy, but I think Mike Powers beat me to the punch. I'd have three X cards selected and then mixed with 13 O cards. These could be shuffled. I'd then do the Hummer "paper-folding" described by Bannon. That was always pretty impressive. There's also a classic Eddie Fields trick that can be adapted. I'm not going to say which one, but it's a lot of fun to perform on magicians.
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stickmondoo Veteran user 306 Posts |
Thanks so much for your reply Cain. You have given me a lot to think about, and jogged my memory on a couple of points too. Yours and Mikes idea is exactly the kind of thing I had in mind. Thanks for the tip on Eddie Fields effect too. I will go hunting. As for Blown Away I think the title comes from when the Tamariz trick was published in Apocalypse so is probably the title Harry gave it. I read it in Apocalypse first. I love that Magazine.
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