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KenRyan Elite user 465 Posts |
I'm just learning Shadow Coins, using a [ and a move that happens several times in the routine - removing and replacing the [. I've been watching Kozmo's lecture to learn the move and routine, BTW.
Half dollar sizes are completely impossible, my hands being as large as they are. Dollar size coins seem much better but still require my pointer and pinky to sort of go under the 2 middle fingers a lot in order to get a grip. I can do the move. I just can't make it look natural because of how the middle two fingers stick up to allow the outer fingers to grip the [. If anyone is familiar with this move, can I get a tip or two about how to do this better? Thanks! |
magojose| Regular user 195 Posts |
What about experiment with other fingers instead?, e.g: thumb-pinky or second-third
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KenRyan Elite user 465 Posts |
I'll give that a try. But it seems like for this routine that would make my hands look unnatural.
Thanks for the tip. I'll let you know if I find a better way:). Ken |
MJ Marrs Inner circle Los Angeles 1124 Posts |
I've always used the thumb and middle to take off the [. It's done while simultaneously moving something out of the way on the other (left) side of the mat. Moving the object (a coin case) directs attention away from the dislodge. Plus big move masks smaller one. I've always used halves though so I don't know if "my way" provides enough cover for a dollar size coin even with the misdirection.
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KenRyan Elite user 465 Posts |
Thanks MJ. I'll give that a try. As for the covering the move by shifting another object though - for this routine, though, it is so fundamental and happens so many times that you couldn't really do that. Plus the coin assembly effect requires you to have the area where it's happening - the square in the middle - to be pretty empty. I think I know what you mean about shifting the [ with those fingers, and that works for most routines. But this has a very particular method that needs to happen when your hand is held in the "casting a shadow over the coin" position, and so the hand must appear flat and not to be doing anything except hovering or covering the coins.
Ken |
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When you get "Shadow Coins" down pat, Try this next. http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......orum=217
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KenRyan Elite user 465 Posts |
Oh that's niiiice:). Thanks for that!
Ken |
MJ Marrs Inner circle Los Angeles 1124 Posts |
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On Feb 23, 2017, KenRyan wrote: Ah, I didn't know that the [ is handled more than once. I will check out the routine you mentioned. The Shadow Coins I use is the one taught by Ammar in ETMC magic from back in the 90s. The [ is dislodged once at the beginning and only goes back on at the very end. I also do Dean Dill's Explosion routine and the ['s are handled with a sort of purse palm. I think it's similar to the move you mentioned in the beginning. I recall talking to Dean at his shoppe when learning the routine and he said that everybody's hands are different so whatever works for you is the "best" way. I've never seen his explosion done with the dollar size coins, but I know that some people do it. I'd imagine that the exact positioning of the purse palm is a bit different for the larger coins but the principle is the same. I'd be interested to see what solution you finally settle on. Cheers, MJ |
KenRyan Elite user 465 Posts |
Thanks MJ!
I am learning this from the Kozmo Lecture and he mentioned Dean Dill. And he also mentioned the purse palm. It's similar to the purse palm I know but much more toward the fingertips.Anyway, thanks for the clarification with words from Dean himself:). I'll let you know what/if I come up with. Cheers! Ken |
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fonda57 Inner circle chicago 3078 Posts |
This may not work for Shadow Coins, but I saw David Harkey lecture years ago and he did a coin production, part of which was removing a shell from a coin. His first finger was slightly moist and he just touched the shell coin like he was simply pointing at it, and lifted said finger straight up and the shell comes off, then points to the other corner of the close up mat and another coin appears, which is the shell.
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KenRyan Elite user 465 Posts |
Fonda,
I was thinking about that actually. I just ordered some of Easy Grip from Harry Robson and I wonder if it will help me do something similar. Thanks. Ken |
webtech Regular user 185 Posts |
Hi Ken. I have the same problem. I solved it by using a thicker mat. This way you can push down a little more to get the coin in the right spot. Also try prepping your hands a little so they are not so dry. Hope this helps.
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KenRyan Elite user 465 Posts |
Thanks webtech! I'll give that a go.
Ken |
Joshua Barrett Inner circle Cincinnati, Ohio 3631 Posts |
I think it's worth nothing that the purse palm for the most part never looks that... unnoticeable. Even when dean dill does it you can clearly see the "pinch". I think you just gotta kind mimic the actions on the other hand, and maybe relay on using the other hands motion to misdirect if needed.
I think it's one of those things that if it is noticed, they will know your doing something (obviously) but I don't think it easily connects to what, in a well constructed routine. |
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