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magicstudent8416 Regular user 172 Posts |
I do the underspread force (forget if that is the correct term) anyhow doesn't matter, I force a card to begin and then I go into my pocket and open my plastic credit card wallet where I have a duplicate of the forced card.
I thought this would be a good immediate effect to start out but somehow the pacing doesn't feel strong yet. When I reveal it in from my wallet they have a kind of noneplussed look and their face and it is hard to discern whether they actually acknowledged the effect. I have still only performed it 3 times I think so can't really draw much from that sample size but still I feel I am missing something in the presentation. One time it had a good effect of amazement as I would have expected but the other two times it didn't. I think this may be because I am not giving enough patter or padding it out enough to build up to it. I also do not want it to be anything drawn out though since it is my first trick and wanted it to just be something quick and snappy so I can then go into more meaty pieces. Initially I thought I shouldnt need to explain anything since it is the first trick and wanted it to speak for itself, so thought this would explain itself since it is a visual thing, but maybe I need a little more verbal nudging to point them in the right direction. Thoughts? |
Billy-one Inner circle IOWA 1028 Posts |
Change the credit card wallet into a himber (z fold) wallet. Show the wallet empty (naturally), proceed with your effect.
You will get the reaction you are looking for, as the effect now comes full circle. Now, there is to much unsaid. Respect, Billy Or look @ garret Thomas effect with matchbox assuming you don't want to have the card signed. |
fonda57 Inner circle chicago 3078 Posts |
I don't know how you present it, but it's good to be clear, letting them know the card appeared in the wallet, and not expecting them to just understand.
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DaveGripenwaldt Elite user 487 Posts |
I think your instinct is right...what you describe lacks a performance hook, as well as having a structural problems. Let me address that part first.
One issue may be that, as you describe things, there is no proof the card is gone first. If that is not clear, then what you are doing is introducing a duplicate card, not the same one...the same way it is perceived if you have 4 coins in your right hand and none in your left and you close them and then show one coin in the left hand first. It isn’t clear it is supposed to be one of the 4 originally in the right hand that flew across. You open the right hand to show the vanish of one coin and show its appearance in the left afterward. Even if you simply patter that their card is gone from the deck before showing the dupe in the wallet, it’s a bit weak. Dressing it up a bit doesn't have to be a huge production – this is just an idea off the top of my head. What if you did something like this: "I like to start with a simple observation test. That lets me know how much I can get away with. Please take any card you want...look at it...show it to everyone...put it back. Ok, now here's the first question...what was the name of your card? Its ok, I am not just saying that as a sneaky way to know what you took or anything because that would be cheating. Not that I am above that. No, seriously, I am just testing your recollection against theirs...what was the card?" When he tells you whatever it is; say the 3 of clubs, you look confused. "Really? 3 of clubs? Hmmmm...that is weird." Look at the other spectators, "Is that right? 3 of clubs? That is so weird. I have no idea what you took, but I would have sworn it would not be the 3 of clubs...this is so weird. Tell you what, do me a favor and let's go through the cards...just for my piece of mind...this is reeeally weird..." After showing them how to deal cards to the table face up, they go through them all and the 3 of clubs is not there. "This is why I thought it was weird! I didn't see how you could have taken the 3 of clubs because I had set that aside to do something with it later...the 3 is right here..." As you say that you pull out the wallet from your pocket and show the 3. That's just a quick and dirty example of dressing the effect up a bit. BTW, PM me if you want to know what I was thinking on the vanish of the 3...it is a really easy method. |
JG New user 44 Posts |
The effect as described is really unclear. Are you carrying a duplicate of a card they pick by coincidence? Have you made them pick a card you are already carrying? Is it meant to be the same card?
There needs to be a process and an effect, regardless of how quick the effect is, even as an opener. I do the signed card to card case which is really quick, but they are left in no doubt as to what happened (they pick a card, sign it, it appears in the card case). Very clear and really strong. So have a think about the routine, the storyline, the why. At the moment it's all about the how.
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Vlad_77 Inner circle The Netherlands 5829 Posts |
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On Feb 27, 2017, magicstudent8416 wrote: PM me for a routine Fred Becker and I "invented" back in the day - I think it was Tuesday. Anyhow, it will NOT fool magicians but for laypersons it play VERY strongly. There are no sleights and there are two climaxes and you can use any wallet. You will think that the method is too obvious to laypersons. It isn't and in fact this routine has snagged a nice number of gigs for both Fred and myself. PS: I saw you mentioned you wanted a quick snappy trick before going into "more meaty" routines. If I may be so bold I would again direct you to Darwin Ortiz and his thoughts on routining an act. Darwin states that when he is creating a routine he always wants the effect to be a strong closer. That observation changed the way I thought about routining. If you are at all familiar with Darwin Ortiz's work you will understand that he practices what he preaches; he has created some of the most powerful routines in magic. Period. In fact, it changed my thinking so much that when a magician writes that a routine is a nice little interlude for between other stronger routines I find myself wishing I could offer that the creator read Strong Magic and Designing Miracles. |
MontrealMagic Regular user 128 Posts |
Random suggestion, if I may be so bold:
have them "take" the card (for example, 3 of spades), then reach into your wallet and pull out the "predicted card" (facing yourself, so they cannot see) and say something along the lines of "I have the exact same card in my wallet, was it the....9 of diamonds?!?", they will say no, immediately interrupt them with "no! Don't tell me I have a backup!" Then place the card from your wallet face down on a table...reach into 1 of your pockets, back of the card facing them, so they cannot see...confidently exclaim "it was the six of clubs!" Again, there will be a no, maybe a laugh, set that card face down on the table on top of the other..."ok, Hold on, I got it....." reach for another pocket, again, failed prediction.....setting this card face down on the table as well....you may be able to sneak in "ok, 1 last try? I'll get it.......I promise!" you can pull it from your pocket, but would be better if you have something completely different, like an envelope with "EMERGENCY PREDICTION" written on it....in badly penned crayon....maybe a hello kitty sticker..inside is a card, (facing you, again) "it is the ace of spades.......please? no?" setting it face down on top of the others. "ok, what was your card!?!?!?" when they tell you, up to you on the wording, but the cards on the table face down (yes yes, all of you saw this coming) are all 3 of spades. Not sure if this works with your personality, but it has a certain PUNCH to it and builds on your initial trick. In addition, it extends the time from the taken card and the reveal, which adds to them forgetting "exactly" how they got that card. |
magicstudent8416 Regular user 172 Posts |
Only just coming back to this after some weeks of stagnation.
I don't see the problem with it being a duplicate card rather than the same card? Sure the same one would be stronger but next best thing still works no? For instance I saw I a similar one where the magician forces a card for a small audience while riding on the london eye and as he springs the cards to the window instead of it being on the outside, as is common, there is a boat going past with a super jumbo version of the card on the deck of the boat. So obviously that was not the same card as the spec chose but a duplicate . Just saying that I imagine that a dupe could also work no? |
magicstudent8416 Regular user 172 Posts |
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On Mar 7, 2017, MontrealMagic wrote: Ah yes the failed attempts idea would be a good way to stretch it out and add a punch at the end on the correct card. They would then give it more impact. Thanks I'll have a think how I could work it in for myself. |
RealityOne Loyal user 227 Posts |
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On Mar 21, 2017, magicstudent8416 wrote: I think you are missing the point of a lot of the above posts. What is lacking is definition of what the spectators are seeing. Is the spectator supposed to think it is the same card or a duplicate card? What is the effect that you want them to remember? If they are supposed to think that it is the same card, you need to somehow demonstrate that to them. Having them sign the card is a good way. Ripping off a corner is another. Showing that the card is no longer in the deck is a third way which is weaker (unless you show the final locatation as lacking a card at the beginning of the effect). The signing and corner tear prove to the audience that it is the same card and automatically show them that the card could not have been in the final location before the effect stated because they signed or tore the card during the effect.. If the card isn't signed or torn the audience will suspect a duplicate and the only mystery is how did you know what card they would pick. So you've already lost an element of the mystery. In that case, the strength of the effect depends on the perceived fairness of the force. If you show the pocket, wallet, bottle, shoe empty before the effect and then the card appears, you now have a two-part mystery - how did the card apear in the pocket and how was it the card that was selected? If the card in your pocket is designed to be seen as a duplicate, the question is how did it match the card that was selected. This is a weak effect because without any additional presentation, it pretty much lays out the method. If you knew what card they would pick, you had someway to control the card they picked. For spectators, they don't need to know the exact method, but if they know there is a method it no longer becomes magic and is relegated to a "trick." You need to provide an explanation of what happened and a reason for how it happened. Is it prediction, coincidence or mind control? Although I love simplicity in method, I prefer a greater level of complexity in effect. There is a very simple way of doing a signed card to pocket which I think is in Mark Wilson's Compete Course or Encyclopedia of Card Tricks. If you are interested, I can give you references to the effect when I get home tonight.
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magicstudent8416 Regular user 172 Posts |
I think I will stop trying to reinvent the wheel at such an early stage. My initial reason for wanting to do this was because I was 'afraid' that people wouldnt be interested in longer tricks up front however Ive found quit the opposite it the couple of times I have had cards out and flourishing quietly to myself I find people as soon as they see the cards will walk up and ask for a trick and stare attentively!
So I will go back to the pros. I have the confidence then that the material is strong and can focus on praciticing it. Just watching easy to master card miracles by Ammar plenty of good stuff in here! |
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