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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
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On Mar 24, 2017, AMcD wrote: Not really. It can actually be used for much more. For example, it can be used for culling certain cards in conjunction with the riffle shuffle and also for simultaneously culling and stacking with the riffle shuffle. Sharps and Flats included a catalog of the wares of a gambling supply or "Sporting House" in the back of the book starting on page 287. In that section, on Page 295 under the title of "To Smart Poker Players" it describes using slick ace work to "put up threes" by breaking the deck at an ace or king when riffle shuffling. Essentially they are hinting at culling and/or culling and stacking simultaneously with the riffle shuffle for those who know enough to understand what is being said and are able to use and apply this technique. It states the work is better than using strippers or readers. Of course that depends on the circumstances and what one is trying to accomplish, but regardless it is a very clever and effective bit of business. |
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TH10111 Regular user 155 Posts |
Crimps can be used in the same way. A reverse breather allows you to cut to a desired card (or cards) as you split the deck for a riffle shuffle. Combined with some riffle stacking this can be quite effective, especially as the work can be put in during play and if noticed can be passed off as accidental.
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AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3078 Posts |
@Cag
Exactly the kind of thing I'd like someone to demonstrate... |
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MarcoLostSomething Regular user 144 Posts |
I tried once, but failed. Maybe I made a bad slick work and got transferred on other cards when shuffling (even after some days to "dry"). I used Marlo's method in his magazine (of course not his same brand), but maybe it's necessary to roughen the rest of the deck too. I never tried W. Scott formula anyway, I don't know if it's any better.
I'm going a bit off topic, anyway: I once used pick up stacking when it's my turn to deal, stacking the cards (thus locating them) while picking up previous hand. It was a slow company, and we haven't got over about 100 euros total, but still, it worked every time. PS: Arnold, do you use riffle culling? |
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
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On Mar 25, 2017, AMcD wrote: Yes, possibly that would be nice and perhaps someone will do so. However, you know my policy is not to perform demonstrations on public forums as I am not a magician, demonstrator or performer, don't need the accolades or ego gratification and have nothing to prove to anyone. If anyone on this board is in that magician/demo/performer category and wants to show a move or technique, more power to them. Hopefully the information I write about is sufficient and helpful for the few who might benefit or run with it. If it is not, well...then it is not. However, if ever I were to delve into that magician/demo/performer category, then I would do what Forte, England, Piacente, Marks, Ortiz, Marcus, Turner and many others in that group do and produce quality DVD’s or conduct instructional webinars to those true students for a price. Isn’t that the ways it works for professional, informative and quality demonstrations? |
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AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3078 Posts |
@cag,
I understand, but at some point, when nobody sees anything, it's just talking. Well, to me. @Marcos I prefer to stack cards once I spot them instead of culling them. What's the point to cull cards? Because cut cards, bottom dealing is impossible. So... |
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
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On Mar 25, 2017, AMcD wrote: I understand AMcD and have no problem with your belief system or what you prefer. However, I respectfully submit that a meeting place for the discussion and exchange of ideas is precisely what a forum is: According to the Merriam-Webster Dictionary: Definition of FORUM 1. the marketplace or public place of an ancient Roman city forming the center of judicial and public business 2. a public meeting place for open discussion 3. a medium (as a newspaper or online service) of open discussion or expression of ideas 4. a public meeting or lecture involving audience discussion 5. a program (as on radio or television) involving discussion of a problem usually by several authorities It has also been said that "a picture is worth a thousand words." So your point is well taken. However, at least for me, I can't bring myself to demonstrate things on a public forum that have taken me a lifetime to acquire at considerable expense and effort. |
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AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3078 Posts |
Oh, I understand you, it's always the same debate, lasting for years now!
I don't clearly understand why some of you come on the Gambling Post. I think, one day I'll leave this place for ever. Because nobody will be demonstrating anything (it looks like I'm the last one to show a few things occasionally) it will be back to a couple of posts per month, like it's already been the case. For instance, last time I left this place for one year. Anyway. |
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dapo24 New user 57 Posts |
AMCD I meant the moneyed games I know of
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cbharrelson Regular user 167 Posts |
I hustled poker from 1973 to 1989 played pot limit 1000's on the table no cut cards. When poker hit the Internet cut cards almost standard I guess. I am glad I do not hustle anymore.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
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On Mar 26, 2017, tommy wrote: That probably is it. Perhaps this is a more detailed discussion of the technique as it was cryptically described in the gambling catalog chapter in S&F, possibly putting it more into a magician "gambling/demo" style presentation. I will say that when it comes to ideas and concepts on this BB, those with a good degree of ability or skill only need a kernel of an idea to develop it into something of value to them. I know when I was initially learning many or these moves or methods, there were no videos in those days and the written descriptions in books were either non-descriptive (as in S&F) or in large part magician descriptions of how they thought these moves should be done, often modified "magician style" for presentation. You had to develop you own techniques based upon your ability and knowledge or have an old time hustler show you how he did it. I think it worked out all the better, at least for me, to not take "stock" moves or techniques. Of course, as in most things there were always exceptions but in large part, many video demos today, especially on YouTube, are mostly for fun and games and not very "real world" in my opinion. They are more in the "magic trick demo" category which is okay -- for doing magic trick demos. |
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
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On Mar 25, 2017, AMcD wrote: I think it is for the enjoyment and knowledge acquired from the exchange of ideas and the discussions of opinion, which I believe is exactly what a forum is designed to do. Quote:
On Mar 25, 2017, AMcD wrote: I have no problem with someone wanting to see more demos, or performing demos usually for critique if they so desire. However, it seems like we've had some pretty lively discussions lately without any demos being shown, nor in my opinion are they vitally necessary to keep the BB going. I could be wrong on that. It is just my opinion. A forum is primarily a discussion group and not a video demonstration site. When DOC started this forum, I believe his main motivation was to showcase some of his basic gambling type moves under the guise of having superior knowledge and ability because he was claiming to be a "real" cheat. He liked being in the limelight. Being a "real" cheat evidently gave him more credibility to some members because he supposedly knew the "real" work and the members were supposedly getting the real scoop directly from "the horse's mouth" so to speak. However, I will say DOC was an interesting "character" and kept things lively with demos and berating the members for not being "real cheats" like him--that is if one likes that kind of stuff. Go figure!! The type video performed moves referred to are all mostly in the realm of the magician/demonstrator community at this point in time. Fifty years ago the situation would have been different as much about these moves was little known but not today. One can do a simple search on YouTube and see a myriad of these type moves demonstrated with varying degrees of proficiency. And yes, it can be fun and interesting for some to critique someone else's performance of these type moves although for the most part I think the Gambling Spot apparently has moved away from that endeavor, at least in large part. Most of the members are not that proficient at performing "moves" and evidently the few who may be don't care to demonstrate. That does not mean the Gambling Spot doesn't have merit because most discussions don't involve proving anything with moves. Some might need moves for "proof" of what is being said, but a kernel of a good idea is all that is necessary in my opinion for some. I would think that if someone is very interested in seeing demos, he or she might be better served to join a local magic club or local "card man" group associated with a magic store. Showing and discussing these type moves might be more likely and of benefit in that scenario. This is just an observation and not meant to detract from AMcD's opinion on the situation which is also valid. Doing or seeing demos of moves seems to be more in the province of "different strokes for different folks." Just a suggestion since not seeing many demos on video doesn't seem to be a great stumbling block on this forum. I should also add that the serious discussions of big money gambling plays we have had on this forum did not involve any moves at all or possibly some very simple ones. It was intelligence, brain work, con and planning that got the big money. |
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