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furmanmatt Loyal user New York 217 Posts |
Hi all, what does everyone think of the YouTube magicians of today?
Matt |
SilasJude New user Buffalo 97 Posts |
To answer your question, it all depends on whom you are talking about; those that perform, those that teach, or those that expose.
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furmanmatt Loyal user New York 217 Posts |
Appreciate your response. I am only interested in those that perform.
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WitchDocChris Inner circle York, PA 2614 Posts |
I have found very, very few who are enjoyable for me to watch. At this point I can think of only one video that I actually go back to watch again.
Christopher
Witch Doctor Psycho Seance book: https://tinyurl.com/y873bbr4 Boffo eBook: https://tinyurl.com/387sxkcd |
Some_Magical_Idiot New user 64 Posts |
I have used it for reference purposes or new ideas...but it has to be on a specific topic cause it can be painful sifting through all the bad to get to something worthwhile. Just my 2 cents.
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willmagicman New user 65 Posts |
I've noticed that most of the young card magicians on the tube seem to be suffering from some form of St Vitus dance in regard to their constant manipulation of the deck in their hands. Even when they're not actually performing a trick, they just can't keep still. Riffle, riffle, shuffle shuffle, bridge, bridge,, pass,pass cut, cut, spin,spin, what's going on here? and that constant flicking of the cards that they do to demonstrate that they are only holding a single card, [which it usually isn't] I find it quite amusing when they say something like: ''Ok, I'm just going to put your card somewhere in the middle of the deck ... right here'' and then they follow up with about 10 false cuts and passes etc. ''Hang on a minute ... I thought you said you were going to put my card in the middle of the deck ... you've just made about twenty cuts and passes ... is that really necessary to put my card in the middle? I don't think it's in the middle anymore now'' If they're going to put the card into the middle of the deck then just do it and leave it there. Lol. I'm just having a bit of a laugh here, and I honestly love to see the enthusiasm in these young upcoming card magicians, but slow down a bit guys. Sleight of hand is not meant to be used as a means to an end. Personally I believe that a slightly 'clumsy' approach when shuffling etc is the way to go, as all this crazy and unnecessary card manipulation just puts the spectator on the alert. One more thing I'd like to mention is the 'DL' ... It's become so obvious what their doing in their badly executed execution of this move ... what a shame ... The DL used to be quite sacred, but now is so exposed that even the layman suspects it. ...Ah well . I've had my rant, so over to the next poster!
Will.
A Man's gotta know his limitations ... A Magician sets those limitations.
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furmanmatt Loyal user New York 217 Posts |
Well said willmagicman.
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jstreiff Special user 701 Posts |
The Youtube videos made by the 'posers' as they are called here. These are people ostensibly interested in magic and motivated by ego-gratification. What you will typically not see in these videos from this group is performance talent. These represent what laypeople think magic should look like. And that serves as a good barometer for what working mystery performance artists should be doing: more performance art and less 'juggling'.
John
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willmagicman New user 65 Posts |
Well put John.
One positive thing I see happening as a direct result of all these young wanna be magicians on the tube [bless their hearts] is that the price of a deck of cards is cheap. I mean these 'posers' [as you mention they are called here], with all their springing, riffling, card throwing, gaff card making, and general abuse of their cards with their grubby little hands, must get through a phenomenal amount of decks between Christmases and birthdays! So the card companies can keep their prices low due to increased demand, and that's got to be good for us. Will.
A Man's gotta know his limitations ... A Magician sets those limitations.
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Huzzah New user 53 Posts |
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On Jul 30, 2017, willmagicman wrote: I wholeheartedly agree. I've heard that this is one of the thing that made Hamman so great. He never fiddled with the deck, he just left it in his hand until necessary, making his magic much more deceptive. I've been trying to implement this approach in my own magic, but I'm naturally a pretty fidgety guy so I do still find myself giving the deck an unnecessary riffle or something from time to time |
willmagicman New user 65 Posts |
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On Aug 3, 2017, Huzzah wrote: Nothing wrong with a quick shuffle of some sort before the start. In fact, it's the decent thing to do,and is probably expected. Personally I think that a good old fashioned overhand is the best. It's recognized as being honest and above board. I mean it's how everybody shuffles the cards [normal people that is] and it leaves the spectator feeling that so far, everything is above board. A riffle shuffle is cool to, but I've had a few laymen over the years who have made statements such as: ''Hey that queen of clubs is still on the bottom!'' Lol. That was probably my fault for not sorting out the angles properly. It's nice that you mention 'Brother John Hamman ... truely a 'Magician's Magician' Will.
A Man's gotta know his limitations ... A Magician sets those limitations.
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Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
I just "found" this thread. I agree with everyone's comments!
I regard Yoo Toob as a total waste of time.
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LesPaltaX New user 4 Posts |
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On Aug 3, 2017, willmagicman wrote: In my experience, people tend to try to keep track of their card. I've got several times a "***, I lost it" while I am shuffling and talking. In that sense, the overhand shuffle, I think looks cleaner than the riffle shuffle, because it's lots less obvious when you keep a card on the top or on the bottom. I don't think the riffle shuffle is a good way to keep a card on top for the same reason. People can keep track of it. Anyway, it always depends on angles, situations, possibility of using a table, kind of trick and so... |
RevConfused New user Yorkshire, UK 65 Posts |
I agree with many of the sentiments here.
Youtube can be great to find a review of a new book or trick, or to watch Pop Haydn perform etc. I am , however, 1000% against it being used for reveals...this annoys me and upsets me no end. The comments about the constant card sleights is something I agree with too. For a little while I actually started to doubt my own ability as I wasn't able to do the crazy spins etc in my own tricks (and never had even tried to be honest). It strikes me as too much ego, and not enough good old honest entertaining. oh, and another vote for the overhand shuffle. |
RevConfused New user Yorkshire, UK 65 Posts |
An update here. I recently saw a video where a young man was revealing on YouTube and left a comment saying I thought it wasn't good. The young man replied that he disagreed (of course he can do that) and that magic will, be revealed on YT regardless.
It reminds me of a conversation I had with Roy Walton earlier this year. A young man was in his shop and looking to magic to buy. The guy asked how a trick was done, and Roy said "If you buy it, you'll find out". The young man said to Roy "ok, I'll YouTube it then" and proceeded to whip out his phone as he walked out of the shop. I'm sorry, but, it just doesn't sit right with me. |
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