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David Todd Inner circle 2328 Posts |
Years ago there was a very clever thumb tie routine put out by Irv Weiner called "Red Tape".
Does anyone know who owns the rights to Irv Weiner's magic and if anyone is currently marketing Red Tape or if the routine is in print? (I'm familiar with the method, but want to read Weiner's original handling and routine.) The Red Tape in the trick's name refers to the red electrical tape used to bind the performer's thumbs together. |
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rch129 New user FL 51 Posts |
I just purchsed a book on eBay by Irv Weiner with some of his magic; waiting to get it in the mail
Roy
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Glenn Watson Special user 781 Posts |
I just bought this effect from Genral Grant at the M.A.E.S. convention. The cost was $20. His e-mail is: GGMagic@aol.com
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Tom Jorgenson Inner circle LOOSE ANGLES, CALIFORNIA 4451 Posts |
Magic Inc. used to sell this one and may well do so still. Call them.
We dance an invisible dance to music they cannot hear.
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Alan Munro Inner circle Kentwood, Michigan, USA 5952 Posts |
Is the routine performed as a penetration (like the Jaspernese tie), an in again out again effect (like the Jim Ryan Tie), or both?
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Harry Murphy Inner circle Maryland 5444 Posts |
Alan, the routine as presented by Irv is a traditional thumb tie, i.e. more like the Jaspernese tie.
Let me say that it can be performed either way or a combination of the two (penetration AND/OR in-out). The Red Tape it is the tie that I use. I don’t use red tape I use black electrical tape. My routine uses elements from both presentation ideas.
The artist formally known as Mumblepeas!
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kerplunkmagic New user UK 6 Posts |
Is there any ebook where I could get this? it sounds great!
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Harry Murphy Inner circle Maryland 5444 Posts |
It is not in an ebook but is for sale complete with necessary gimmick and roll of red plastic tape from General Grant. Grant and Irv were close friends and I believe that Grant owns the rights to this trick. You can contact Gen by email at: ggmagic@aol.com
The artist formally known as Mumblepeas!
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acortest Regular user 123 Posts |
Can someone please tell me where you can buy that tape that comes in a lot of colors? It looks like electrical tape, but it does not stretch, but more importantly, does not 'shrink' back down when you remove your thumb?
It looks very much like electrical tape, but is not traditional 'electrical tape'. Thanks! |
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
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On Jul 26, 2016, acortest wrote: Look at the picture in this listing. http://magicbypauline.com/index.php?id_p......=product |
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Nala Nosmoht Special user Surrey,B.C. Canada, 641 Posts |
I attended an Irv Weiner lecture in the early 1980's , Vancouver BC. Thought he was one of the nicest lecturers I had ever met! (as was John Thompson!)
Bought his lecture notes, and performed his "dancing egg routine for many years. |
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Micha-el Regular user 123 Posts |
David,
I saw Irv's show a number of times at the school at which I taught. He would stop at my house after the shows to talk magic. A very nice and knowledgeable man. He would perform teaser magic in the Caféteria at lunch for the students to build the audience for his evening show and to do "pre-show" work as well. He did some very strong close-up magic. (His rendition of R.C. Buff's "Paper Napkin Vanish" from MY BEST was terrific and fooled the heck out of me the first time I saw it. He also did a number of very clever card effects with daub.) His evening show was wonderful. He could really entertain. One of his show stoppers was to stop his pulse while the school nurse was taking his pulse. He then had his pulse play yankee-doodle while she kept time with her other hand. He also wiped the blood from one of his hands, so that one hand looked completely white and the other blood red. Then at the count of three the blood would rush back into his white hand. This looked stunning with a spotlight on him. He also did Annemannn"s "Painless Chirurgery" from the Jinx (I think, it is also on page 483 of the Max Abrams Annemann book.) and finished with the needle through the arm. For high school students this sequence was a knockout, and this was just a small part of a full evening of entertainment. Irv did perform the red tape thumb tie and the floating egg in one of his shows at my request. I am pretty sure you can find the red tape thumb tie at Steven's Magic. Regards, Barry Moran |
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Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
I only saw Irv ("Mr Fingers") once, in a college in Michigan, about 1980. Barry has just written a great review!
He carried all his props in a case about 12" x 12" x 8". After the show, we had several hours together, talking "shop". It was an absolutely delightful session. He was a real "pro."! Oh! the RED TAPE THUMB TIE was marvelous, and, funny, too!
SNEAKY, UNDERHANDED, DEVIOUS,& SURREPTITIOUS ITINERANT MOUNTEBANK
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0pus Inner circle New Jersey 1739 Posts |
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On Jul 31, 2016, Nala Nosmoht wrote: Nala, Could you describe the dancing egg routine for us? |
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Micha-el Regular user 123 Posts |
Hi Opus,
Think egg to silk gimmick. Put your thumb in the gimmick and make it wiggle, walk up your arm, appear to float away and you catch it, etc. Like Rocky Raccoon or the fur rat or handkerchief mouse. Irv was a great actor and he made the egg look alive. I'm not sure (it was more than 20 years ago that I saw it) but I think he ended up cracking the egg to show that it was a real egg. Somewhere in the basement I have Irv's lecture notes that details the routine. If you are interested in more details PM me and I will try to find it for you. Also, Eric Lewis published a routine called "Alive, Alive-O" in the October 1969 Genii magazine. (Those are available online if you subscribe to the magazine.) It is the same type of routine except Eric used a gimmicked ball. I have a copy of this routine as well if you are interested. Regard, Barry Moran |
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Quentin Inner circle 1020 Posts |
Phil Wilmarth had been working on a book of Irv Weiner's material before he passed away.
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
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On Aug 10, 2016, Quentin wrote: That means it is maybe lost forever. I did not know Phil had passed and emailed him, his wife said, they could not get into the website because they did not know how to and did not know any of the passwords. So they could not seen any of the books they have listed. Maybe a magician will inquire and take over some day. |
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omnibozo Regular user Boulder, CO 151 Posts |
I saw and met with Irv many times in the late 70s. He performed every year at the Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs. Imagine an older guy in front of 200 cadets (kids learning how to blast Russian fighters out of the sky)... and receiving a standing ovation for a pretty standard sponge ball routine! He did that every year. Then he would go into his YouDoVoodoo routine (the real one by Bruce Spangler, not the shoddy Harry Anderson knockoff)... by the time he brought out the needle the cadets were standing on their chairs begging him not to do it! Master showman! When he died I talked to his daughter and told her this story. She was happy to hear it, since he wasn't always such a great guy to those around him. She also talked about the book in progress. Sorry to hear that it might not happen now.
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Micha-el Regular user 123 Posts |
As omnibozo wrote, Irv could take some very standard tricks (sponge balls) and perform the heck out of them. Another trick I remember from his show is card under the foot. In his program description he titles it with: A MATTER OF WEIGHT --- MIRACULOUS TRANSPOSITION. Followed by the description "For simplicity in effect this original card routine is hard to beat. Created by Irv Weiner during his navy days in 1943, it has been in his program since!"
Irv's presentation had to do with the weight that the spectator was putting on the card under the foot and how the weight increased as the spectator stood on one foot etc., making it "impossible" for the magician to switch the card. BTW, Irv is the only magician I ever saw who used the "single hand card change" from Tarbell 2 to accomplish the transposition. He employed the throw, mentioned in the last paragraph of Tarbell's description. I also saw him use this sleight when he performed close-up at the lunch tables. Like Malini, Irvi had small hands so it was his presentation and misdirection that let him fool people with this move. I'm pretty sure Irv ran a printing or copying business and printed much of his own promo material. I have a folder full of his promotional flyers, follow up letters, and publicity posters that he would send to the school so his show could be advertised. If anyone decides to follow up on writing a book about Irv, I would be happy to lend these items to the project, if needed. One of the reasons he was so successful in his college/school show performances was a result of his good business practices. That and the fact that he delivered a really entertaining show. BTW, another performer who came to school in the first year or so that I worked (1972 - 1974) was Polgar. He opened with a magic square that also employed putting arbitrary words into the boxes. The assisting spectator would name one of the words and Polgar would tell him what number to put in that box. Of course, this was done with Polgar looking away from the square. A funny story about this is: when asked for a target number, one of the students said something like forty two and three fourths. Polgar was able to make the sums work out successfully. I am pretty sure this is the routine that Harry Lorayne describes in his Reputation Makers. Harry writes, "I never wrote it up before because a professional (hypnotist) used it in his act." I'm guessing this was Polgar since the main part of his show was hypnotism (pretty tame by today's standards, but entertaining). He finished the show by finding his check for the evening performance (muscle reading). The students really liked him but he was getting on in years. I think he was actually retired when he did these shows, but since we were not far from where he lived and because he had been entertaining at the school for years he continued to do the shows for us. (I also remember that he loved ping pong and offered to play students or faculty after the show. I don't think this actually ever happened though.) |
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noland Veteran user 350 Posts |
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On Jun 14, 2003, David Todd wrote: Danny Tong used to sell the routine on his web site. Maybe he still does. |
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