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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
0pus Inner circle New Jersey 1739 Posts |
I am not a big Gladwell fan.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Short People got no reason
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
JNeal Inner circle I used to have 999 posts, now I have 1617 Posts |
It's an entirely arbitrary number.
Using specific numbers help sell books. "The SEVEN habits of effective people" is a better title than " A bunch of things you can do to work better "
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
No it is not like 101 illustrations in Erdnase.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
Ray Pierce Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 2607 Posts |
10,0000 hours/10 years is entirely arbitrary but is used to illustrate that the road to mastery is a longer one than you might initially think.
Ray Pierce
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On Nov 26, 2016, Ray Pierce wrote: Absolutely true.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
If it is an average rounded off then what is arbitrary about it?
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
Ray Pierce Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 2607 Posts |
Whoever said it was an average and from what sample was that number formed? I do remember a younger magician asking Marvyn Roy about his act on the bus between dates on my Canadian tour. He basically said, "Marvyn, how long does it take you to get a routine where it's really solid?" I think he was expecting a few months or maybe a year. Marvyn thought for a moment and said "About 10 years." He's right. All of the effects I've been doing for over 10 years are pretty bomb proof. Until then, you're just getting the bugs worked out of them.
Ray Pierce
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
'Ericsson went on record clarifying that this is not what his research showed. Within that study, there was no magic number for greatness. 10,000 hours was not actually a number of hours reached, but an average of the time elites spent practicing. Some practiced for much less than 10,000 hours. Others for over 25,000 hours.'
See OP link.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On Nov 28, 2016, Ray Pierce wrote: Which is what I find HILARIOUS about guys with 7 years experience doing lectures. But I digress.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
In other words it is the assertion that it is arbitrary that is arbitrary.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
Ray Pierce Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 2607 Posts |
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On Nov 29, 2016, Dannydoyle wrote: lol... Danny, I've missed you! The key is that not all practice is equal. Practice doesn't make perfect. Perfect practice makes perfect. Clueless people can practice well over 10,000 cycles/hours... whatever... and still be awful. Others are more attuned to the market and their process and can master skills at a more elegant pace. Again, this is speaking of Mastery, not simply a journeyman status. There are many effects I'll place in my show before I have "mastered" them in a literal sense. My honest feeling is that you can not master anything in a rehearsal setting but only on stage in front of a live audience. That is when you're operating at your peak capacity and firing on all cylinders. It is hours in front of an audience that is required. That is what matters.
Ray Pierce
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
I do not believe that in a performance art true mastery occurs until it is in front of an audience. Therefore everything is in the show prior to master level.
It has been opined by greater minds than mine that we learn our craft from each other, and our art from our audience. My point was that when people start to lecture and teach at such eaely stages that SO much is left to learn. It is a stage they should not be teaching at because the experience is just incomplete. That is simply an opinion. Yes you can learn things, but what things? I remember things that I felt were absolute dogma which now are embarrassing to think about. It happens to all of us. In magic it is particularly destructive as there is a certain monkey see monkey do aspect to magic which results in ao many guys doing the same "new" effects. I just spent the past few months going through this with an a capella we are creating. I intentionally cast outside that world with people who were not familiar with what we were doing. I didn't want a typical group sounding and acting like every other group. We cast 1 who had experience in this sort of thing and are STILL deprograming him from his preconceived notions. Mind you he has about 3 years experience. Almost NONE of it in front of people, which is where it matters most. His experience is incomplete. All that rambling to say you're right! Art is not discovered through practice. It is found from an audience.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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