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jjsanvert Special user Paris, France 581 Posts |
Details of Deception - By Greg Chapman
This coming book contains the description of a new second deal which is quite interesting. Greg worked on a way to lift his left thumb on each deal - as you would normally do - and the result is quite interesting. In fact, it is one of the most natural and disarming 2nd I have seen in a very long time. Very deceptive, and I hightly recommend this book.
JJS
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TH10111 Regular user 155 Posts |
More info here: http://moveunderfire.wixsite.com/aboutca......st-ready
(Also some nice videos in the clips section!) |
PaulIngram New user 63 Posts |
Ben Earl has been teaching lifting the thumb during the srtike second deal for quite some time.
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TH10111 Regular user 155 Posts |
The dead thumb has been known as a tell for a little while now and I'm sure quite a few people have developed methods for trying to improve on this particular aspect.
But I think in this case it is the handling as a whole that is different, rather than just the fact that the thumb lifts. |
jjsanvert Special user Paris, France 581 Posts |
Of course the lifting of the left thumb is not a new idea Paul. Derek DelGaudio does it beautifully too. But this method is new. It is not everyday that you come up with a new 2nd deal technique.
JJS
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SimonCard Special user 601 Posts |
Looks great. I'm getting this book.
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Artie Fufkin Special user 853 Posts |
I think it's a magicians fallacy to presume that folks who deal cards normally ALL physically lift their thumb off the deck each time they deal a card.
I see lots of folks who keep their thumb resting on the deck while dealing, simply sliding the thumb back and forth on the back of the deck. The thumb isn't "dead", but neither is it up in the air. My own strike second doesn't involve a lifting thumb, rather the thumb slides to the left (right hand deal) until it is off the deck and "suspended" in mid-air. It then quickly slides back over the deck (to the right) for the next card dealt. If the two hands move apart slightly during the deal, the illusion is very solid. Not saying though, that somebody who knows what they're looking at might not put it all together and ponder a second deal. |
Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
John Scarne was the first magician-gambling expert demonstrator who I saw lift his thumb when dealing a #2. He did so on 8mm film and in a somewhat pronounced manner. It seemed to be new or novel back in the day and he demonstrated it to apparently show it could be dealt that way. The film may be from the 1940s or 1950s when even the second deal itself was somewhat unknown at that time.
When dealing a two under fire, lifting the thumb slightly really depends on what use the second deal is going to be put to, the type game being played and whether it makes any difference against the company it is used against. Using a two effectively in a game atmosphere really depends more on timing, lulling the players into a sense of complacency, fitting in personality wise, popping the two in offbeat situations and/or occasionally when it is important, so lifting the thumb in these scenarios is more or less of little importance practically speaking in my opinion. However, nonchalantly dealing a two while lifting the thumb does have a somewhat disarming appearance. For demonstrators it may be a useful addition to their repertoire. I should add however that lifting the thumb slightly after the two is dealt is pretty easily accomplished with many second deal techniques. |
tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
It is good for those BJ games like.Pontoon and Shoot which were popular here once upon a time but we rarely see them private 21 games these days.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
Here is an integrating aside to the lifting of the thumb when dealing a second.
Mickey MacDougall when doing his gambling expose would explain that the tell on the bottom deal was the middle finger of the left hand would flash when pushing out the bottom card under the top card prior to the take. He explained to his audience that some professional cheats, in order to eliminate this tell-tale finger flash, would have the middle finger of the left hand amputated at the first joint thereby eliminating the flash. Now that is dedication seldom seen in that annals of card mastery. So...in order to have a completely innocuously looking "lift the thumb" second deal, without having to master the technique, the serious profession can simply have his entire left thumb amputated. Ergo...problem solved. I have to tell you guys. I sometimes amaze myself with the perceptiveness and brilliance of my suggestions. |
chappy Special user 764 Posts |
Cag, so I gave it some time to let someone else take the bait, but here goes...
Boy! That really is a dead thumb!
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
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On Jun 22, 2017, chappy wrote: Yup, I was waiting for that comment. Only a true pro would pick up on that. Now we are both members of the highly exclusive "Dead Thumb Society." |
chappy Special user 764 Posts |
Thanks to JJ for posting this here and to others who’ve shown an interest in this. I should have said so earlier but didn’t want to be plugging on this part of the forum (I do plenty enough of that elsewhere), and honestly don’t think this would interest too many on the Gambling Spot, because it’s all about finger (well… thumb) flinging and not about getting the money. But, if nothing more it’s a small detail that might be of interest to anyone who enjoys playing around with different techniques. Perhaps one part of what’s interesting or at least novel in this method, is that the thumb moves/lifts when it should, AS the card is being dealt, not afterwards, which as Cag mentioned above, is easily accomplished (slightly after dealing the two) with other second deal techniques. Incidentally it can also be adapted to many other types of grips and takes. It was a fun discovery a few years back and I thought worthwhile to add as a small note in the margin of the existing literature.
Since hearing about the superior technique of cutting off the left thumb altogether, I'm rethinking the whole thing.
FARO FUNDAMENTALS, DETAILS OF DECEPTION and THE DEVIL'S STAIRCASE at www.thedevilsstaircase.com
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AntonF New user 85 Posts |
Can this deal be done from any grip? Erdnase, Master, Full, Straddle, Madison... or it needs an specific one. And Can it be done only striking, or pushing double too? What about stud second, Havanna second, Vernons New theory second... what about the rythmn?
Thanks in advance for your help.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
I don’t know but I must say it is a mystery to me why anybody would want to do it from all those different grips.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
Peterson Regular user 159 Posts |
If you want to do it from the Madison grip in the live performance, then you need to contact Madison himself for his signed permission.
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chappy Special user 764 Posts |
Anton, it can be used with different grips although I agree with Tommy. I've described it with a full grip but dealer's grip (mechanics) is no problem, Erdnase and other standard grips. And I don't know what a Madison grip is so let's say no to that. Looking back thorough the comments I should clarify that this is intended for a push-off not a strike.
FARO FUNDAMENTALS, DETAILS OF DECEPTION and THE DEVIL'S STAIRCASE at www.thedevilsstaircase.com
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AntonF New user 85 Posts |
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On Jul 24, 2017, chappy wrote: Thanks for your response. I normaly use standard dealers grip for my seconds, for my push off second, so it fits ok with your new deal. The use of differents grips depends on every person. It is a really challenge to use the same grip to deal from second, bottom, bottom minus one, or from the middle. I am trying it, but the more confortable for me it is Erdnase's grip. I am very interested in getting your book, cause I have read your previous book, and it is great, and every review of it looks interesting. Congratulations for your work. (Sorry for my English).
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