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The Mac
Inner circle
South Africa
1923 Posts
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Posted: Feb 26, 2005 6:09pm
My random tips if anyone cares
I can tell you that magic sets you apart form the rest of the guys if you do it right and learn self control.
Usually when friends and I go out and a new girl comes along some where along the line my magic skills get mentioned: She asks " show me a trick?" I say "no"
and later when we're playing pool or something I'll go " that's a beautiful ring..can I see it?" (add your effect here)
1. When in a group and you're doing magic for one girl - make her the centre of attention. Keep your eye contact with her and just a hint of a smile. The effect is much stronger.
2. Women respond well to story telling so use romantic stories. Use angel imagery, stories of love lost etc.
3. Try as much as possible NOT to do a card trick as your opener. Once they see cards their mind is already thinking of Uncle Harry's boring card tricks.
4. Humour is a good thing - but you want to create some tension and intimacy-humour diffuses tension. Open with a joke but get serious.
5. Touch! yes, hold her hand or ask her to hold yours when you French drop the ring.
6. Lose the gameshow host persona, go with a sincere quiet approach - be a steel fist in a velvert glove. Try to make it seem like you are both experiencing the magic instead of you being a smarty pants and showing off.
7. Use her rings, her name, her favourite card , her napkin her drink.
(As I write this I just came up with an idea : imagine using ringflite to vanish her ring. Then doing a floating rose - opening the petals of the real rose and there is the ring. hmmm)
Well, that's what I can remember off the top of my head. I hope this helps someone.
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lane99
Elite user
402 Posts
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Posted: Feb 28, 2005 2:00am
I sincerely doubt that any woman has been convinced to like a man that they- otherwise- would not have liked, because of magic.
And I have to admit it always makes me cringe when I see magician's using magic as a pretense to cop a feel (tip #5). The guy with the goatee on Mondo Magic was always pawing his spectators.
I wish I could agree that "magic sets you apart from the other guys" but it's not been my experience, and I've never seen it work for others. If Macguyer did some Romantic Magic and it seemed to work, I'm pretty sure it's the "Romantic" part that did it, not the magic part (and any non-magic romantic gestures probably would have also done the "trick").
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frenchmagi
Loyal user
264 Posts
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Posted: Feb 28, 2005 10:37am
I agree. The unfortunate reality is that girls think magicians are dorks. Taking away the magician persona and using an effect to break the ice is probably one's best bet. After that, it all comes down to how good one is with the ladies.
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TommyTheTremendous
Regular user
Azusa, California
151 Posts
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Posted: Feb 28, 2005 11:35am
Then you have the women that say that magic is evil and part of demonic rituals. As soon as I heard that, my eyes popped out of my head; but being the gentleman that I am, I said ok and walked away. I do agree however that it's not magic that gets the girls. It's your personality and how you come across to the girl as a human, NOT a magician.
Although I am curious...has anyone gotten a female to date them by JUST doing magic?
- Tommy
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Mercury52
Inner circle
Kevin Reylek
1756 Posts
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Posted: Feb 28, 2005 12:50pm
Nope! I've been with my girlfriend for two years. I met her through a mutual friend, and the friend asked if I would show her some magic when we met. I did a few tricks, nothing terribly fancy, sponges, Daleys Aces, etc. She now reveals that at that meeting she thought "Oh no, this guy's into magic". We started dating about 6 months after we first met. She doesn't dislike magic, but she certainly "puts up" with it rather than really enjoys it. We didn't get together based on magic, but rather similar interests, being friends first, etc. Magic may be a good ice breaker, but I certainly don't expect anyone to go swooning at your feet because of a trick. (Although I am impressed at the girl who asks to kiss Greg Wilson on the Hundy 500 tape! How does he do it!?)
Kevin
Kevin Reylek
www.thebluecrown.com
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Phil Thomas
Inner circle
Newark, Ohio
1117 Posts
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Posted: Feb 28, 2005 5:43pm
Actually I did get a date from magic and I wasn't even trying. It was years ago when the d'lites first came out. I was doing the standard d'lite routine once and decided to go one step further and turn the red lite to a rose. At the end I gave it to her and the conversation just started. It wasn't magic conversation but I did ask her out and she accepted. Now we are married......... go figure. 
"If we lose the sense of the mysterious, life is no more than a snuffed out candle."
Albert Einstein
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Eric Leclerc
Inner circle
Ottawa Ontario
1182 Posts
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Posted: Feb 28, 2005 8:30pm
Ha!!! nice Phil!!! I have to say d lites have gotten me the most fringe benefits in my performing career. (especially a night out with friends)
OF COURSE magic is a perfect in for women. One thing we all know, is magicians are percieved as dorks and flamers, (thats right I said it, flamers) But when you are introduced to someone and you do magic and they love it, you are in.
I agree when a magician touches a woman too much in a performance it can be akward and creep like. But fact is, magic makes you look unique and stand out from everyone else. Using her belongings are a great idea, make it more personal for her.
How many times you are performing and someone says "man you must get a lot of chicks with that" or "the girls must LOVE that" and its true!! Its a perfect way to met and/or to leave a lasting impression.
It may not be THE thing that she loves about you the most... But at least she got a chance to meet you and appreciate your little "show" and see you in a different way. if you would of sat there all night and not said a word she wouldnt of had the chance to meet you the way she did, with magic..
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Lee Darrow
V.I.P.
Chicago, IL USA
3594 Posts
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Posted: Mar 1, 2005 4:36am
Magic may be the way to open the door, but YOU have to be the one to step inside - a wise man once said. If you are personable, interesting and interested in her, you will have much better luck than if you stay "on stage" even if you are a close up type performer.
Like Vernon used to say - "Be natural." and add Leipzig's Maxim, "people don't mind being fooled by a gentleman," and being a gentleman will get you much further than just about anything else.
Of course, I use Heinlein's definition of a gentleman from Glory Road - "A gentleman is exactly that - a gentle man, who can be h*** on wheels if you cross him."
Lee Darrow, C.H.
http://www.leedarrow.com
"Because NICE Matters!"
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Kent Wong
Inner circle
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
2369 Posts
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Posted: Mar 1, 2005 10:40am
It's your personality that sells the magic.
It's your personality that gets the girl.
Kent.
"Believing is Seeing"
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www.kentwongmagic.com
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Scottjb197
New user
17 Posts
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Posted: Mar 2, 2005 9:13am
I showed a pretty lady some magic in a bar just after christmas,she loved it took me home and gave my a rather nice presant! 
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slangers
New user
Denmark
86 Posts
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Posted: Mar 2, 2005 9:59am
The tips seems rather good. It fits my experiences too.
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Partizan
Inner circle
London UK
1683 Posts
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Posted: Mar 3, 2005 3:06pm
MacGyver, you want to have a look at my "Partizan, My Act" Topic, I think you will find some good stuff there.
I am never in the position that I want to impress the ladies. If I see a woman I like and she is single I will go and talk too her. and that's it!
If I see a relevant place to involve a mystery I will, but only once and with heavy masking on each side of the feat.
If I want a woman I have a good chance of it happening as my intent is strong and pure. I need not mask this in magic and prance around her spouting flowers.
Getting things you want is a whole anotherythingtype subject altoghether and is a good basis of a strong personality, and it is this people are enthralled with.
Using magic to pick up women is as niaeve as putting socks in your underpantaloons. You will be found out sooner or later. I also think it is demeaning to the woman to think she is seeing magic when the real trick is on her!!!
"You cannot depend on your eyes when your imagination is out of focus."
- Mark Twain
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The Mac
Inner circle
South Africa
1923 Posts
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Posted: Mar 3, 2005 3:18pm
Magic is a great way to open the door. I've used it to tremendous success to the point where friends are asking me to teach them magicso they can "dizzy up the girls"
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MattWayne
Special user
Manhattan, NY | Studio City, CA
624 Posts
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Posted: Mar 4, 2005 10:22am
Hey! I met my girlfriend demoing some magic; it's been two years! I did the whole: Phone number trick. Essentially card is selected, lost in the deck. Deck is spread- one face up card. But it's not her's; mention that it's an indicator card. Count down the number of cards as that indicator card. The last card happens to be her selected card. The seven other cards in order from right to left are your personal phone number- thus leading you to give her your card, and witness the miracle!!! Gotta love that trick! I'm forgetting it's given name though...
Matt Wayne
The Celebrity Magician™
www.CelebrityMagician.com / youtube.com/celebritymagician / twitter.com/RealMattWayne /
Facebook.com/CelebrityMagician
Creator of, 'Got a Light?' and others.
Spokesperson behind, TouchTricks
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Alan Munro
Inner circle
Grand Rapids, Michigan, USA
5441 Posts
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Posted: Mar 4, 2005 2:37pm
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On 2005-02-28 11:35, TommyTheTremendous wrote:
Then you have the women that say that magic is evil and part of demonic rituals. As soon as I heard that, my eyes popped out of my head; but being the gentleman that I am, I said ok and walked away.
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Just be thankful that you found out that she was mentally ill, BEFORE she could start stalking you.
http://www.sneakymagician.com/
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lane99
Elite user
402 Posts
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Posted: Mar 5, 2005 1:57pm
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On 2005-02-28 11:35, TommyTheTremendous wrote:
Then you have the women that say that magic is evil and part of demonic rituals. As soon as I heard that, my eyes popped out of my head;
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Are you sure it wasn't the fact that you were standing there with your eyes popping out of your head that made her that it was evil and demonic?? Come on, that would freak anybody out ;-)
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The Mac
Inner circle
South Africa
1923 Posts
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Posted: Mar 6, 2005 2:16pm
Lol! HOW TO FIND OUT IF A WOMAN IS A PYSCHO: do a magic trick if she calls you the devil etc. gulp down the rest of your drink (and hers) pick up your cards- and do Steve Fearsons selfvanish.
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TommyTheTremendous
Regular user
Azusa, California
151 Posts
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Posted: Mar 6, 2005 3:57pm
Lol. I believe the eye-popping was AFTER I did the trick and she told me that it was evil, haha.
- Tommy
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chichi711
Inner circle
5816 Posts
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Posted: Mar 7, 2005 11:10am
I would have to beleive that a story like Phil's is 1 in 100,000,000.
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DoctorAmazo
Special user
Florida
570 Posts
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Posted: Mar 7, 2005 1:21pm
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On 2005-02-28 12:50, Mercury52 wrote:
(Although I am impressed at the girl who asks to kiss Greg Wilson on the Hundy 500 tape! How does he do it!?)
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He walks around with $606 in his pocket, for starters...
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Eight Spades
Elite user
Ohio (northwest)
482 Posts
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Posted: Mar 7, 2005 11:50pm
"6. Lose the gameshow host persona, go with a sincere quiet approach - be a steel fist in a velvert glove. Try to make it seem like you are both experiencing the magic instead of you being a smarty pants and showing off."
I'm VERY impressed. You hit the nail on the head.
-Christian
"Tricks are only the crude residue from which the lifeblood of magic has been drained." -S.H. Sharpe
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The Mac
Inner circle
South Africa
1923 Posts
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Posted: Mar 8, 2005 3:16pm
Impressed? you should know this stuff!! lol
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Brad Lancaster
Regular user
186 Posts
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Posted: Mar 9, 2005 1:35am
Anytime you can do something that's a little special. It makes you more interesting. No matter who you are interacting with.
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Eight Spades
Elite user
Ohio (northwest)
482 Posts
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Posted: Mar 9, 2005 3:34am
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On 2005-03-08 15:16, macGyver(south Africa) wrote:
Impressed? you should know this stuff!! lol
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I'm just impressed that someone else actually has a clue when it comes to having the right attitude for this situation. Lately there've been a couple of threads about magic for the ladies with all sorts of horrific ideas.
"Tricks are only the crude residue from which the lifeblood of magic has been drained." -S.H. Sharpe
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Bill Palmer
Eternal Order
Only Jonathan Townsend has more than
23793 Posts
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Posted: Mar 10, 2005 12:15am
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On 2005-02-28 02:00, lane99 wrote:
And I have to admit it always makes me cringe when I see magician's using magic as a pretense to cop a feel (tip #5). The guy with the goatee on Mondo Magic was always pawing his spectators.
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Evidently, "copping a feel" has a completely different meaning in Canada than it does in the States.
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC
My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups."
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BerkleyJL
Veteran user
Chicago, IL
397 Posts
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Posted: Mar 10, 2005 10:00am
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On 2005-03-10 00:15, Bill Palmer wrote:
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On 2005-02-28 02:00, lane99 wrote:
And I have to admit it always makes me cringe when I see magician's using magic as a pretense to cop a feel (tip #5). The guy with the goatee on Mondo Magic was always pawing his spectators.
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Evidently, "copping a feel" has a completely different meaning in Canada than it does in the States.
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Using our definition, the magic would often be getting out of there alive!
I need a stage name.
Joe Berkley
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rsummer27
Loyal user
South Carolina
224 Posts
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Posted: Mar 11, 2005 2:49pm
Is it really so hard for you guys to meet girls? Do you really need magic to do it? I usually just walk up and say, "Hi, are you here with anyone? How about joining me."
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The Gentleman
Regular user
SCOTCHLAND
102 Posts
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Posted: Mar 20, 2005 8:58pm
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On 2005-03-01 04:36, Lee Darrow wrote:
Of course, I use Heinlein's definition of a gentleman from Glory Road - "A gentleman is exactly that - a gentle man, who can be h*** on wheels if you cross him."
Lee Darrow, C.H.
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Thanks for the new signature, Mr. Darrow .
I like Niven's writing, even though my sister insists he reads like a "I learnt to write in just 10 days!" author. This is probably because I see my own writing in it. My sister doesn't know how much that hurt me .
Ringworld will surpass anything else he has ever written or ever will, and Chris Roberts owes the man a great deal of royalties for his Kzinti "Kilrathi" in the Wing Commander series of video games.
Much like Pratchett's "Strata" is a *** fine adventure read, and I feel it is superior to Discworld.
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On 2005-02-28 02:00, lane99 wrote:
I sincerely doubt that any woman has been convinced to like a man that they- otherwise- would not have liked, because of magic.
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This is the case; I have to admit that my first real brush with mental magic was an examination of Ross Jeffries' material.
Yeah.
It takes confidence, and in my experience those whom are confident to publicly display their skills at magic, or the audacity to do purely mental-based "tricks" (such as Derren Brown) offer a form of magnetism similar to the "animal charm" of Sir Sean Connery. Well, almost .
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jack_is_dead
Regular user
japan
173 Posts
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Posted: Mar 21, 2005 11:30am
Hey many things I didn't know before..missed a lot of girls allready
one eyed man is the king in the blind land
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Eric Jones
V.I.P.
Director of Product Development
2103 Posts
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Posted: Mar 21, 2005 10:16pm
I often work in bar and restaurant settings where meeting new women is a requisite of the atmosphere. I'm always prepared to perform sponges (seriously, what can be more personal), a single coin flurry followed by a body loading sequence(on the wrist, and the shoulder) ending in a Jumbo Coin ending, and an effect with their finger ring. these 3 effects make a nice close up set anyway, but allow me to:
1) perform visual close-up magic
2) allows me to stand out from the rest of the men at the bar( if I'm not working at the bar that night)
3) and find out if my "target" is remotely attracted to me. Eye contact says it all
If I want to catch the interest of a particular young lady, I often perform either D'Lites, or effects with flashpaper with a group close to her table to draw attention. If she makes eye contact more than 3 times during that performance, I approach her. If not, nothing lost.
If things go well, I have several "magical" ways to hand out my business card. My favorite way was an Apollo Robbins idea where he loads the card into the spectators pocket without them being aware. I simply substitute the mans pocket for a womans purse. If I've made an impression, there have been times I haven't made it home before my cell rings.......
“We're two tigers away from an act in Vegas.” Greg House M.D.
http://www.ericjonesmagic.com
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