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Kjellstrom
Inner circle
Sweden
4132 Posts
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Posted: Apr 10, 2005 3:21am
Any opinions or reviews for this effect:
http://www.wonderwizards.com/item.php?id=246
http://www.matskjellstrom.se
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pegasus
Inner circle
(UK) Airborne Forces
1847 Posts
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Posted: Apr 10, 2005 4:04am
If it is as it states, I would love to have this effect. Sounds too good to be true. Too bad it's an extra 20 bucks for shipping outside the states. I think I have spent more on shipping than what I have on actual effects. It's no good, I'm gonna have to emigrate to the states. Save me a fortune in the long run.
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david_a_whitehead
Inner circle
USA
2122 Posts
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Posted: Apr 10, 2005 10:07am
Try the Intercessor.
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Maforen
New user
80 Posts
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Posted: May 11, 2007 9:31pm
I am waiting myself to see if anyone saw this effect. It good, but is it a special deck?? not much info here and have not seen any demo's? Has anyone seen this????
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gabelson
Inner circle
conscientious observer
1819 Posts
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Posted: May 11, 2007 10:37pm
Over-hyped, IMHO. And I like a lot of Kenton's stuff.
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Devin Knight
V.I.P.
Color-Sight Is Here
2097 Posts
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Posted: May 12, 2007 9:28pm
This is actually a re-release. The same trick was and is still available as a booklet with the cards. The name is the same. The only difference is that the directions are on a DVD now instead of the book. If you check HP: both are available and the book version is a bit cheaper than the DVD version.
Color Sight #11 in the Psychic Sight Series is out. PM for details.
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nboisen
Loyal user
277 Posts
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Posted: May 13, 2007 2:29am
Gabelson, why do you say "overhyped"? Does it not play as described? Impractical method? Other reason?
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gobrownstd54
Elite user
Columbus, Ohio
471 Posts
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Posted: May 13, 2007 3:24am
Sounds like you just force a card and have it appear somewhere...no big deal. It doesn't say signed card so I think I already know this one.
Although I am probably wrong!
Marc
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Stellan
Elite user
Sweden
496 Posts
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Posted: May 13, 2007 3:28am
I have the booklet, so I don't know if the DVD is different in some way. The problem is the force. It is not that the spectator can say any card. In fact his choice is extremly limited. Mr Knepper suggests what he calls two "psychological" forces to arrive at a value and a suit. Unfortunately Mr Knepper uses denial to assure himself and the reader that there are no problems with this kind of forces. To make up for this he also suggests an alternative method with dice that seem to be totally out of place in this context.
I don't know if he in the DVD has made any progress in this area.
The other part, the vanish of the card is OK.
The statement in the ad: Kenton calls it "One of the most impossible and frightening effects an audience can witness." is however a statement that is very sad and mirrors either a delusional man or an intention not to be honest. That is if not something has happened betwwen the booklet and DVD.
"There is no reality, only perception."
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Devin Knight
V.I.P.
Color-Sight Is Here
2097 Posts
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Posted: May 13, 2007 9:03am
The DVD has the same method. The range is very limited, when it hits you have a miracle, however you will miss MORE times then you will hit. I feel this could have been thought out more, if the person doesn't name a card within the limited range then you use that card to do a different trick. What that means is that you want always be able to do the trick for that person.The reasoning being that the person doesn't know what you were going to do. I feel the force of color could be better. In this trick you can't have clubs used. If someone calls out clubs you are told to say, that someone else called out clubs earlier and you don't want them to think you are only limited to clubs, so select another suit. I think this approach is too obvious and would be much better covered thru advanced Eqovouge techniques.
Don't get me wrong, the gimmicks and basic idea are great, however there are many weak parts that could have been eliminated thru better thought. I have the gimmicks and will be using them, however I will be rethinking the handling to eliminate things that I think won't fly in front of most people. Too often we FOOL ourselves into thinking a lay person won't notice. Some won't but many will.
Color Sight #11 in the Psychic Sight Series is out. PM for details.
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gabelson
Inner circle
conscientious observer
1819 Posts
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Posted: May 13, 2007 3:45pm
Nboisen-
Stellen and Magicbuilder summed up succinctly my issues with this effect.
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Review King
Eternal Order
14448 Posts
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Posted: May 13, 2007 4:20pm
Kenton calls it "One of the most impossible and frightening effects an audience can witness".
I'm not "buying" that for a second. This is just over the top ad copy.
"Of all words of tongue and pen,
the saddest are, "It might have been"
..........John Greenleaf Whittier
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Celloboy
Elite user
London, England
495 Posts
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Posted: May 16, 2007 9:19am
I really like this effect. I can see myself using it. I enjoy it. The deck is in the spectators hand when the card vanishes.
Pete
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Vraagaard
Inner circle
Copenhagen, Denmark
1021 Posts
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Posted: Jul 22, 2007 6:27am
One question: Maybe I can make the linquistics work or the force in any way, however what I really want to know about this effect is:
Does the spectator hold the deck of cards in their hands an openly SEE their card, whereafter it dissapears from the deck while its still in their hands??? (I can see some ways to do that, but I'm always looking for new methods.
I can easily see this happen if they see their card while the deck is in the magi's hands - but a fewer ways if its in their hands.
Can you answer the question? (I'm not asking for the method).
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BH_Magic
New user
20 Posts
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Posted: Jul 22, 2007 8:27am
Quote:
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Does the spectator hold the deck of cards in their hands an openly SEE their card, whereafter it dissapears from the deck while its still in their hands??? (I can see some ways to do that, but I'm always looking for new methods.
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That is precisely what happens  .
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Vraagaard
Inner circle
Copenhagen, Denmark
1021 Posts
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Posted: Jul 23, 2007 3:32am
Thanks a lot
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MagicDog
Loyal user
Michigan
253 Posts
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Posted: Jul 23, 2007 5:13pm
You may miss more then you hit, but then again in the real world nothing goes as planned. Just move on and come back and try again. It has a few draw backs and his statement "One of the most impossible and frightening effects an audience can witness" is over stated.
John
Make Everyday Magical
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Jarod
Loyal user
Scotland
226 Posts
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Posted: Oct 7, 2008 6:48am
Devin,
did you think it over and do you come back with a new method? Maybe there are some copyright issues I guess!
I always liked your way of thinking and also that you never left a "dark spot" for the audience and the presentation. What I mean by that is the factor that your tricks are always fooling people from the "business" and that gives a big credit to your work!
Keep on going!
Any more facts (pro's & con's) to "Dunningers Delight?
All The Best,
Jarod
It's not the Trick. It's the Magician!
Harry Houdini
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Tom Lauten
Special user
690 Posts
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Posted: Oct 7, 2008 9:23am
I like the concept of the effect and the workings, simple and tidy. A force is involved but that can be whatever kind you would like, verbal, sleight, dart in a phone book if you like! It is (I suspect and as always) only as good as you make it. Not sure it is quite up to the "second coming" level as the advertisement blurb might suggest!
Living at and loving Loch Ness!
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Jarod
Loyal user
Scotland
226 Posts
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Posted: Oct 7, 2008 2:18pm
Tom,
I agree! If there is a force involved (sure it is ;-)) do the best one you know!
My favorite card force at the moment is from the "Educating Archer" DVD from the restored card effect.
Tom, did you perform the trick already and if yes, is the second part really that clean and how was the response to your presentation?
Cheers,
Jarod
It's not the Trick. It's the Magician!
Harry Houdini
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Tom Lauten
Special user
690 Posts
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Posted: Oct 8, 2008 8:16am
Let's be honest, this is a card trick. I got a sense of amused confusion and "weirded-out-ness" from the spectator. Having said this and read what I have from the website I may have had an older version as the method I remember was a lot more straight forward. The revealtion (as described) is so "big" that it is tough to sell as anything but a very clever trick that is entertaining. To be honest I would do it differently now and would use it as a semi-hypnosis/suggestion routine and sell the reveal as a predetermined matter which "proves" that I had mentally "convinced" them to select the card they did etc. etc....that sort of thing.
It is a card trick...a clever one and a very good one but a card trick nonetheless.
Living at and loving Loch Ness!
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NotYourAverageJOE
New user
33 Posts
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Posted: Apr 15, 2012 8:28pm
I think this trick is killer. It's been tried and true for me for the last year in my weekly table side magic gig. If I want to really impress a table with a trick that will get a WOW, this will do it. It's a worker for me because it's simple to do, appears as fair as you can possibly make it, it happens in the spectators hands, and ends up where ever you decide to make the card reappear.
I do not perform this trick with a psychological/verbal force. I use a simple farrow shuffle force then slowly and fairly lose the card into the deck. I then give the deck to the spectator to check for them self’s that no tricky slight of hand was done and I have them check for them self’s that the card is still there (this is what makes this really strong). Once verified the spectator keeps a hold of the deck and places it between their hands. I use the bit where I place my hands close to theirs and say "tell me when you feel your hands heat up" after they say they can feel it I have them look through the deck again and tell me if the card is still there. It has vanished with out me touching the deck; this gets a strong reaction considering they just saw it in the deck moments earlier. I then have them check the box that I purposely placed far from me on the table and that is where the card has reappeared.
This can not be done with a card being signed but I could care less. For this effect I don’t think it would add to the amazement (for magicians showing other magicians sure but not for lay people).
NOT YOUR AVERAGE MAGIC
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