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scott b.
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Posted: Apr 21, 2005 3:55pm
Just seen this advertised at hocus pocus (www.hocus-pocus.com) and it sounds really killer. Only $75, definitely gonna pick this one up!
Anybody got any info on it?
Scott
Thanks! Scott B.
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Craig Crossman
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Posted: Apr 21, 2005 4:26pm
I've already ordered mine. Paul Gross said some wonderful things about it. I'll post a review after I receive it.
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Devin Knight
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Posted: Apr 21, 2005 4:27pm
I think the ad pretty well describes it. It's accurate to a T and nothing has been left out. After Al and I developed this I used it for 6 years as a less complexed way of doing the ULTIMATE PREDICTION, which required too much advanced preparation to tour with.
This is not something for every show. This is for the person who wants to garner publicity using one of the most advanced prediction systems possible. Key boxes, wooden books, envelopes switches are too well known and the PRESS knows about them.
Having a notarized prediction of headlines in a CLEAR BOX along with two predictions of a card and word selected under near impossible conditions is as clean as it gets. NOTHING to scream trickery or fake. Remember the VIP removes the slips and reads them NOT THE MAGICIAN. You never touch the box nor the slips during the performance.
Many people will be upset that this is being released at such a low price but it's expensive enough to keep it out of hands of the curious. This is designed for a working pro and who knows how to control the spectators on stage. It's as clean as it looks and if done properly will fool even well informed magicians. There are some ingenious subtlities in this that Al and I developed. The choice of the card and word appear to an audience to be as random and clean as you can get. Each time you do this you will get a secret high over what you just pulled on the audience.
Bold but brilliant as Al used to say about this.
Color Sight #11 in the Psychic Sight Series is out. PM for details.
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kuffs
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Posted: Apr 21, 2005 5:19pm
Best luck with it Devin!
Kuffs
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Devin Knight
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Posted: Apr 21, 2005 5:23pm
A BONUS effect not mentioned in the ad. For those wanting the REAL work on this type of things another method will be given that is as close to my 1986 method that I will reveal.
In this method the VIP brings up the sealed glass box and there is only one slip in it. IT HAS his name written on the outside of the slip (he did this before sealing it in the box) so there can be no doubt there is no switch involved. He opens the box WHICH NEITHER YOU OR ANYONE else has touched (even secretly). Removes the slip and verifies his signature and then opens it. YOU DO NOT TOUCH THE SLIP at any time during this. On the slip are 3 notarized headline predictions. With this method the audience doesn't see a card and word prediction.
You have invited the press and they can come on stage and witness the whole thing and the VIP who is NOT in on it. Can truthfully state that the signed slip hasn't left his possession since you gave it to him 2 weeks ago. He will also tell the press that at NO TIME has anyone else touched the slip since it was given to him and it has never left his sight.
This will play in the fastest company and has baffled some of the most astute reporters in the country who in VAIN tried to expose and figure it out but everything checked out including the notary who signed the predictions too.
For those who can pull this off this information will be priceless. This method is so well thought out it is near impossible for anyone to reconstruct how it was done and expose it. I pulled this off show after show and NOBODY ever exposed how it was done as the method is too well concealed if you use the single slip in the box method.
I wasn't going to tip this part off but decided that some working pro may want to do this and really blow away the press.
Color Sight #11 in the Psychic Sight Series is out. PM for details.
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kuffs
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Posted: Apr 21, 2005 5:28pm
Devin,
Can I ask you how many units of this props will be offer? To keep it a very clever investment!
Thanks for your time
Kuffs
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Devin Knight
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Posted: Apr 21, 2005 5:35pm
Intially Hocus Pocus will have 100 of them available. Can't promise there will be more. According to Paul presales are going fast so the first batch may sell out quicker than we anticipate. We're just waiting on the acrylic boxes to come in and that will about 2 weeks from now.
Posted: Apr 22, 2005 2:57am
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I wanted to state so there is no confusion. This trick is a HEADLINE PREDICTION. That is what it is being sold as. If you are NOT wanting to do a headline prediction the I suggest you not order this. Some people think they can do the first part and not finish with the headline prediction. Such is not the case. If you are hoping to buy this and just do the card prediction by itself, well that won't work. I can't explain anymore without going into methods.
If you want to blow away an audience and reporters with an impossible headline prediction then you will very happy with this. This is designed for someone doing a show in front of small group or people or a large audience. This is not designed as a one on one trick to show one person. It is possible to do it for one person but is not as clean as I give you several methods.
If you are not planning on using this as a headline prediction to be done in front a group of people then I suggest you pass on this. However those who want to garner publicity for predicting the future and want to blow away the reporters and press will BE VERY HAPPY WITH THIS.
First and foremost, THIS IS A HEADLINE PREDICTION. Don't buy it for any other reason.
Posted: Apr 22, 2005 7:13am
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SOME THOUGHTS on HEADLINE PREDICTIONS
I am getting this question so much in PM that I thought I'd answer it here. I'd like to share some of the thoughs that Al Mann and myself had on predicting headlines and why the routine was developed the way it was.
A lot of you are asking can I forgo the two card and word predictions and just do the Headline Prediction? With the basic routine and handling the answer is no. However in the Bonus Routine a method is given where there is only one slip in the box and it's the headlines however this is a more complex handling and is recommended only for pros working a professional show.
For the most part those doing basic shows, banquets with find the triple prediction quite suitable for that type show.
Here was Al Mann's thinking on the triple prediction and I agree completely.
1-Predicting Headlines is a tough cookie to swallow for some people in the audience. They don't buy it. Maybe it was lucky guess or you did something sneaky.
2-The two lead up predictions add credibilty. They establish that you can accurately predict the future. In a very clean manner that appears near impossible
you have predicted a card dealt to in a deck using a number called by a second person. Odds 1 in 52 you could guess correct. You do. Some may think well maybe this was a card trick but if it was its was darn good one.
3- You follow up by doing a near impossible appearing book test. A book freely selected by one spectator he chooses a page at random and give the book to another spectator to think of one of the words on that page. THAT WORD has also been predicted.
4-Now the audience is impressed. You've proved you ability to predict two weeks ago some things that just happened on stage and were apparently out of your control. WHAT ELSE CAN YOU PREDICT?
5-You have now qualified yourself, they may be skeptical but they are starting to become believers.
6-When the headlines are read they are accepted. By golly you predicted those other things so if you could do that then YOU MUST HAVE ALSO KNOWN THE FUTURE.
Some of you will get this concept immediately and realize qualification is VITAL in order to convince the audience the predictions were real and not a trick.
This routine works on the magic of 3...you have 3 predictions, each more amazing than the other, climaxing with headline predictions. Done this way you have a showpiece and one of the strongest demonstrations of your abilty to see the future available today.
Regards,
Devin Knight
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Chad Sanborn
Inner circle
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Posted: Apr 22, 2005 12:08pm
I just recently bought a book detailing a headline prediction that is very similar to this one. If the methods are the same then I can say it's very subtle and very ingenious.
Once I read the 2 effects side by side, I am certain they must be the same. But the single paper prediction still intrigues me.
Chad
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eebie376
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Posted: Apr 22, 2005 3:47pm
In the ad it says Release #1 of the Knight Mind Series.
Am I correct in assuming that Retro Gravity will follow soon since you considered that the brainchild of you and Al Mann as well??
Ian
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Devin Knight
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Posted: Apr 22, 2005 4:49pm
Yes IAN, Retro will be released as part of the series. WE have wisely backed off on releasing Retro due to the recent flood of levitation effects. Some good, some decent, and others horrible. We want to let the other levy effects die down then this will come out. The book is ready to release but is being held back till the right time. People have tried to duplicate what they thought we had but so far all the releases are way off from the Retro secret. For now we have decided not to talk about it or tease people about the release but it is part of the series.
BTW ther are 20 releases in this upcoming series and will be released over 3 year period.
Most of them are Mann/Knight completations.
Color Sight #11 in the Psychic Sight Series is out. PM for details.
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eebie376
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Posted: Apr 22, 2005 7:25pm
Awesome. Definitely looking forward to it. Thanks for the reply
Ian
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Devin Knight
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Posted: May 3, 2005 1:48pm
Glass Box is shipping this week to Hocus Pocus right on schedule. The boxes came in from the manufactor and I am currently boxing them up for shipping the HP. This has been a long awaited release and is finally shipping.
BTW Glass Box is #1 in the Knight Mind Series.
We are currently assembling the props for release #2 IN THE NEWS which is quad-prediction effect that has been used in my touring shows. A very visual mental effect but the description will be withheld till it comes out later this month.
Murphy's will be the exclusive distributor of the smaller version and LARGE SUPER DELUXE version of only which 12 will be made will be another Hocus Pocus Exclusive.
Release #3 scheduled for sometime in June is a book many people have begged me to write, revealing how to do many of the stunts Al Mann wrote about in the Incredible Feats of Jason Michaels. Nothing will be held back, secrets of invisibility, coming back from the dead, walking on water, changing the future, stopping motors with your mind.
This book is strictly on Publicity Stunts I used during my career as professional psychic. The book is called PUBLICITY HOAXES
"Confessions of a Psychic Publicity Warrior" will deal with some of the most outrageous publicity stunts ever devised and all done by me one time at another with the newspaper articles to back them up. Things like stopping traffic with your mind, changing the future AND PROVING IT. Preventing people's death,etc.
No doubt this may be one of the most controversal books written detailing how ruthless psychics will stop at nothing to get their name in print. The methods described will be bold. Many of the methods will appear unethical to goody-two shoe performers. This book will explain how to virtually lie, bribe and seduce your way into national fame with some of the most outlandish hoaxes ever devised to con the press into thinking you are a real psychic. This book is only for those who want to appear to be the real thing. Do the stuff in the book and as Al Mann once told me you could start your own religion.
Most mentalist will not have the guts nor nerve to pull these stunts off. Those who do will convince the press they are real. DOWNSIDE...within months expect the Psychic Police and Randi to come after you and attempt to expose you. You guys who know my past know the run ins I had with Psi-Cops over these publicity hoaxes.
Whether you want to get your name in the press as the real thing or just wonder how I pulled off this stuff you will find this to be a most fascinating read.
Color Sight #11 in the Psychic Sight Series is out. PM for details.
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Juan D
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Posted: May 3, 2005 3:01pm
*** it!
Devin, I'll have to re-think my entire budget for the next months
Let's see...
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Devin Knight
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Posted: May 3, 2005 3:18pm
Juan,
I like what you say in your tag. Who cares what the method is. That was the whole premise behind PUBLICITY HOAXES. If it got you national fame it didn't matter what the method was no matter how outlandish. Of course there is a price to pay in the end and the book will explain that. I had to pay it and it's a bitter pill to swallow but I don't regret it. To me the years of national publicity was worth the final price. But each mentalist will have to decide that for themselves if they are willing to pay the price to duplicate and achieve the things described in Publicity Hoaxes. This material isn't for everyone but to others it will open doors you never thought possible.
Color Sight #11 in the Psychic Sight Series is out. PM for details.
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Juan D
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Posted: May 3, 2005 4:31pm
Devin,
I'm pretty sure that this book will become a treasure for many of us.
Not for the effects per se, but the history and thinking behind them.
And yes, What Would Machiavelli Do? The Ends Justify the Meanness as Stanley Bing states in his book.
PS : C'mon and give us a clue on IN THE NEWS, please...
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Devin Knight
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Posted: May 3, 2005 4:54pm
In the News is a sort of Copperfield Graffiti or Dream Vision effect. Where the audience freely selects a Newspaper from Several and things are marked on it in chosen colors. In a nutshell a duplicate of the chosen newpaper, including the page they wanted marked the same way with the chosen colors is found in an envelope that has been in full view before the show. In fact with the small version to be released by Murphy's the envelope is held by someone before the choices are even made and THEY not the magician opens the envelope and removes the matching prediction.
ULTRA Clean and ONE MAN, no assistants offstage or stooges.
Posted: May 5, 2005 4:14pm
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NEW TECHNIQUE included with Release. I just wanted to say at the last minute a new technique I recently developed has been included with the Glass Box Kit.
This is what I call MISS and HIT. What happpens is that your NOTARIZED headline predictions are opened at the show say on Wed night. The VIP reads them and 2 are direct hits and are stories in that day's news. However the 3rd is totally off! It is a complete miss and the wrong prediction is read out loud to the audience. You shrug your shoulders and say well predicting the future isn't an exact science.
The reporter will be ready to report the next day in the newspaper your two hits and one failure.
HOWEVER, the next day the headlines in the newspaper are exactly what you predicted and missed on. Yet the next day your third prediction is a complete HIT!
The reporter will not know till the next day when he goes to the office and sees the latest news that you were correct. The audience when they go home will be very amazed when they see what was read aloud to them the night before suddenly become the front page news of that day. You were a day off...having heard it read the day before it began news and the fact the paper was NOTARIZED two weeks earlier will make even the most skeptical wonder if you are for real. Obviously there could have been no switch as the thing you predicted hadn't even happened yet.
This is a real reputation maker and to many will be worth the price of the whole manuscript. I was tempted not to release this technique as I think it is that good but at the last moment decided to throw it in as a bonus.
Posted: May 5, 2005 6:13pm
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Hocus Pocus will be shipping all pre-sales this Monday. The first batch of 100 have just about sold out according to Paul Gross. Thanks guys for your support of this project it is really appreciated. I'm starting a new batch next week. BTW yes ALL shipments from HP will have the new HIT & MISS bonus included so if you pre-ordered 2 weeks ago you will get the new bonuses.
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Gianni
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Posted: May 9, 2005 10:32pm
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On 2005-04-21 16:26, Craig Crossman wrote:
I've already ordered mine. Paul Gross said some wonderful things about it. I'll post a review after I receive it.
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Craig: It's been awhile since your post. Wondering if you can provide a review.
Thanks in advance.
Gianni
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Ken Dyne
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Posted: May 10, 2005 11:49am
I'm waiting eagerly for mine to arrive.
Best,
Kennedy
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RickSilmser
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Posted: May 10, 2005 5:33pm
75 bucks to do a headline prediction ? wooooo, what ever happen to a Vernet, a slip, a sleight and some nerve ? Oh well, I guess toys are the "in" thing today.
~Rick~
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scott b.
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Posted: May 10, 2005 6:58pm
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On 2005-05-10 17:33, RickSilmser wrote:
What ever happen to a Vernet, a slip, a slight and some nerve ?
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Times change, people do too. Different strokes for different folks.
Thanks! Scott B.
"I don't know the key to success . . . but the key to failure is trying to please everybody." - Bill Cosby
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discjockey
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Posted: May 10, 2005 7:18pm
Magicbuilder, is Retro #4 of the series?
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Devin Knight
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Posted: May 10, 2005 8:58pm
Chess Gambit at Hocus Pocus is #4. In THE NEWS is #2 and due out later this month.
Color Sight #11 in the Psychic Sight Series is out. PM for details.
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RickSilmser
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Posted: May 10, 2005 9:19pm
Hi Scott...
Yes. Times change...and I guess in this case, it's for the worst. Does a real mindreader need a fancy dancy prop ? Nope. The Vernet is unseen, the slip is the only thing used and that is all they can say. In this case, it's a huge glass box...and it screams "magic shop". But, as they say..."to each, his own".
~Rick~
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Devin Knight
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Posted: May 10, 2005 9:26pm
Sorry, this isn't a fancy magic prop, it's a small UNGIMMICKED plexiglass box that is 4 x 4 x 3. What blows people away is that NO NAILWRITERS are used. The box screams anything but magic shop. It's as innocent as it gets. That is why it got world wide publicity with the press. It was so simple appearing NOBODY thought it could be a trick. Considering articles regarding my predictions was carried world wide by AP resulting in millions of dollars worth of publicity. $75 is a bargain for this information and its light years ahead of vernet writers and much cleaner.
This is NOT a toy, it's a miracle plain and simple. IN this case this is a change for the better and gets away from those bulky prediction chests, nail writers, sealed envelopes. 3 Slips that never leave sight in a small clear box. You can't get any cleaner in my opinion.
Color Sight #11 in the Psychic Sight Series is out. PM for details.
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scott b.
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Posted: May 10, 2005 9:48pm
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On 2005-05-10 21:19, RickSilmser wrote:
Does a real mindreader need a fancy dancy prop ?
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I'd answer that, but I've never seen a real mindreader. Oh well, guess I'm just going to have to keep looking.
Until then, I do agree with the point you agree with "different strokes for different folks".
Thanks! Scott B.
"I don't know the key to success . . . but the key to failure is trying to please everybody." - Bill Cosby
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Jonathan Townsend
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Posted: May 10, 2005 10:02pm
A long time ago Al Mann published something on this.
If you can manage your participants as they come up and reach in for the slips, you have a winner here.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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Michael Dustman
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Posted: May 10, 2005 10:04pm
Gotta love the people who can knock an effect without seeing it in action!
Look...I earned a lot of publicity that lasted a year or more doing a headline prediction for 2 local papers using a vernet tip, coin envelope and slip of paper. The envelopes were notarized and kept in the posession of the papers for a week. Did it work? Sure. Would I change now and try out Devin and Al's creation? Absolutely.
Look...whatever works for you, fine. Rick's signature says it all. Anything besides a billet has no worth. He is set in his ways and isn't going to change his mind and wasting time arguing is pointless. I just don't agree with knocking someone elses work when a) you have never seen it, and b) you knock it simply because it doesn't fit your ideology.
But here we go again, with a tried and true arguement. Why knock the method? If Devin has had great success with it (and apparently it has been a reputation maker) than focus on what will entertain the audience. If the audience if blown away, who cares how simple or complicated the method is. Isn't entertaining the audience the whole idea? Do you think they care about the method?
Wish you the best of luck with this effect Devin.
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RickSilmser
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Posted: May 10, 2005 11:12pm
Well, ungimmicked or not...it's still a prop. Hence the word "mental" in Mentalism. Working with the mind. ESP dosen't need a glass prop box to make it ESP. Simply hand your prediction sealed in an envelope to who ever is in charge of the venue you are playing or to the Editor of the paper, plain and simple.
Forget the box, guys, it's a magic prop with a different coat of paint...think about it.
~Rick~
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Devin Knight
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Posted: May 11, 2005 12:20am
Ok I have thought about it. An envelope is a prop, hence the word MENTAL in Mentalism. ESP doesn't need an envelope. Simple tell the Editor your prediction and watch them come true. HOY'S HURLING THE HEADLINE.
A envelope is a magic prop plain and simple. It is used to conceal a billet OUT of sight so it can be tampered with. I'd rather have my billets in FULL view the whole time so people KNOW they can't be tampered with. Envelopes? Forget them guys, its just an PAINTED PAPER container to hold billets. No thanks I will stick with a clear box.
Rick your tagline says "In Billets I trust.....Just what do you think is inside the clear box....Billets ....duhhhh
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RickSilmser
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Posted: May 11, 2005 1:13am
Well now ur splitting hairs...the pen you write the prediction with is a prop to if you look at it your way. I was waiting for some one to say that. My answer ? Let "them" supply the envelope, paper, etc. The Vernet is a prop, but it's not seen. Lets not split hairs here guys...plain and simple...that glass box, as pretty as it is is a prop that is not needed.
An envelope is a magic prop??? Grand and Toy is a magic store then ?? LOL!! If the billet is in the envelope, why is the box needed ?
Is there some kind of security given to a performer by using these toys ? It's beyond me, I never use them....wait...I do, I use a Psi-Graphico wallet...but it dosen't scream "magic store".
~Rick~
Posted: May 11, 2005 1:24am
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Michael...
All I'm saying is that it's an item that is not needed and will only cause questions in the minds of the people involved. It's expensive and it's not needed.
As for me being set in my ways...not so, Sir. I was told about Psi-Graphico, I looked it over and started to use it after years and years of regular billet work...sooooooo, there you go.
~Rick~
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