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GeorgeSantos
Inner circle
San Diego, CA
1106 Posts
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Posted: Jun 17, 2005 2:05am
Many methods have been in print for gaffless coins across. Getting ahead is one important part.
Before, I used the classic toss to other hand while Classic Palming , thumb Palming, Mutobe Palming or friction palming a coin for the first travel.
I'd like to know what others use.
Currently I do a retention click pass to the last coin. It looks like I put a coin one by one to the left hand. I perform a retention click pass on the last coin. It has been effective for me.
How about you guys? what methods do you use?
"David Roth is the greatest coin manipulator in the entire world.."
-Dai Vernon "The Professor"
I AM A FILIPINO MAGICIAN
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Sam Tabar
Inner circle
Round Rock, Texas
1050 Posts
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Posted: Jun 17, 2005 2:40am
Al Schneider has a wonderful gaffless coins across in volume 2 of his "The Al Schneider Technique" dvds. Maybe you'd want to check it out.
"Knowledge comes from finding the answers, but understanding what the answers mean is what brings wisdom." - Anonymous
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rjenkins
Inner circle
United Kingdom
1094 Posts
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Posted: Jun 17, 2005 4:28am
Lucas Walker:
http://www.zyworld.com/coinpurse/Articles91.htm
suggests a CP followed by a false count, then gets two ahead using a steal
Jolyon Jenkins
Self lighting candles, spirit bells, falling picture frames ...
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vinsmagic
Inner circle
sleeping with the fishes...
8673 Posts
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Posted: Jun 17, 2005 12:02pm
The pointing vanish is one of my favorite ways to get ahead .and also the Sylvester pitch..
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Jonathan Townsend
Eternal Order
Ossining, NY
25307 Posts
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Posted: Jun 17, 2005 12:23pm
George, folks,
One of the problems with "getting ahead" strategies is unmotivated fussing with the coins. People can see how many coins you have on your hand. If they are so far that you need to show them explicitly, you might want to consider using larger props, like billiards.
I explored what was around back in the late 1970s and figured out something that I used and even showed off to magicians till 1986. I submitted my coins across to Harry Lorayne in 1982, and it was published in Apocalypse a few years later. No counting, almost no fussing, and once the magic starts there appears to be no handling at all. Hint: I get three ahead 
One presentation for the trick was put into a post here on the café in a coins across / presentations thread and the theme is TV shows.
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Aubrey_T
Regular user
Los Angeles
174 Posts
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Posted: Jun 17, 2005 1:02pm
Jonathan,
I like the sound of your three ahead method. What issue of Apocalyse is it in? I would really like to know the mechanics of it.
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W.F. Lewis
Loyal user
225 Posts
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Posted: Jun 17, 2005 1:39pm
Classic palm and friction palm combined to hold back two.
show the first coin cleanly, thanks to Deep Back Clip.
that's two ahead.
I think...
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Jonathan Townsend
Eternal Order
Ossining, NY
25307 Posts
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Posted: Jun 17, 2005 1:44pm
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On 2005-06-17 13:39, W.F. Lewis wrote:"Writing is like prostitution. First you do it for love, and then for a few close friends, and then for money." Moliere
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While reading is fundamental, writing remains an advanced skill. -JT
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vinsmagic
Inner circle
sleeping with the fishes...
8673 Posts
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Posted: Jun 17, 2005 1:45pm
Well then pm me I will send you my "crossing the delaware" not get readies or or one ahead. this effect can be done with quaters or half dollars only four coins no extras
vinny
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W.F. Lewis
Loyal user
225 Posts
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Posted: Jun 17, 2005 1:47pm
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On 2005-06-17 13:44, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
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On 2005-06-17 13:39, W.F. Lewis wrote:"Writing is like prostitution. First you do it for love, and then for a few close friends, and then for money." Moliere
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While reading is fundamental, writing remains an advanced skill. -JT
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Can I use that JOnathan?
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Jonathan Townsend
Eternal Order
Ossining, NY
25307 Posts
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Posted: Jun 17, 2005 2:57pm
It's original to the best of my knowledge. Yes you may. 
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Larry Barnowsky
Inner circle
Cooperstown, NY where bats are made from
3906 Posts
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Posted: Jun 17, 2005 2:59pm
In my new book, you'll find a gaffless 4 coins across using 4 silver dollars. It's called Boomerang Coins and uses no retention pass and there is no counting coins from hand to hand. It does use my original Flying Changeover Palm and another move. I often perform this surrounded.
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vinsmagic
Inner circle
sleeping with the fishes...
8673 Posts
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Posted: Jun 17, 2005 3:58pm
Larry AKA COUNT ELMSLEY do pou have a demo of your effect with the flying changeover move????????????? I would love to see it
vinny
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Larry Barnowsky
Inner circle
Cooperstown, NY where bats are made from
3906 Posts
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Posted: Jun 17, 2005 4:24pm
Hi Vinny,
Just PMed you.
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Kingdom of the Red Book and DVD http://www.barnowskymagic.com/kotr1.html
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Steven Steele
Chief of Staff
Hesperia, California USA
1859 Posts
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Posted: Jun 17, 2005 4:34pm
I have been using Paul Harris's "PDQ Coins" for 20+ years and it kills. Nothing simpler. Show four coins in one hand and they jump one by one to the other. Very clean. And the nice thing about is you are never one ahead, except for the last coin.
Coram Deo
The Magic of Steven Steele
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Jaz
Inner circle
NJ, U.S.
6113 Posts
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Posted: Jun 17, 2005 5:05pm
I use the Benzais Friction Pass for the first coin standing or at table.
For the second, a click pass.
If you have a good palm and do the Han Ping Chien (sic? never could recall how to spell this.) you could get two ahead on the third coin. I haven't tried this in a spectators hand only at a table.
For the last coin when standing a retention works for me too.
When standing I admit there's too much "fussing with the coins" on my part and need to work on this.
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GeorgeSantos
Inner circle
San Diego, CA
1106 Posts
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Posted: Jun 19, 2005 4:57am
What I meant in my earlier post is, if I have 3 coins, I dump them one by one on the other hand and perform a Retention Click Pass on the last dumping of a coin for me to get ahead for the first travel.
If it is a three ahead principle, does this mean it has three extra coins or not? It's a clever move, Jon!
"David Roth is the greatest coin manipulator in the entire world.."
-Dai Vernon "The Professor"
I AM A FILIPINO MAGICIAN
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phread
Elite user
md
484 Posts
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Posted: Jun 19, 2005 12:22pm
Hey george...try the rubinstein variation of a downs pass for the first coin-from a fanned position. the last two coins use EG. it works quite well. I only use 3 coins too.
dug
Deckless Wonder
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Magicmaven
Inner circle
1235 Posts
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Posted: Jun 19, 2005 12:56pm
Couldn't you also throw in the Han Ping Chien?
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GeorgeSantos
Inner circle
San Diego, CA
1106 Posts
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Posted: Jun 21, 2005 12:18am
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On 2005-06-19 12:22, phread wrote:
Hey george...try the rubinstein variation of a downs pass for the first coin-from a fanned position. the last two coins use EG. it works quite well. I only use 3 coins too.
dug
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Where do I learn what you offer? Is it in one of M.Rubinstein's videos?
And can a Han Pien Chan be done w/o table.
"David Roth is the greatest coin manipulator in the entire world.."
-Dai Vernon "The Professor"
I AM A FILIPINO MAGICIAN
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phread
Elite user
md
484 Posts
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Posted: Jun 21, 2005 10:11am
Hi. yes it is on vol. 1 of the rubinstein dvd's-u could also use the al baker steal from bobo page 195, the magical filtration of four half dollars. the rubinstein method starts in a fan display which is why I use it. it works well when followed up with edge grip on the last 2 coins. the hpc w/o table-coin magic? geoff latta? don't use hpc...
dug
Deckless Wonder
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Jaz
Inner circle
NJ, U.S.
6113 Posts
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Posted: Jun 21, 2005 3:32pm
I haven't done Han Ping Chien w/o a table but there are a few bold magi who have done it in the spectator's hands. You need a surface.
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michaeldoral
New user
11 Posts
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Posted: May 15, 2012 12:01am
All really great ideas and magical engineering here guys, and believe me I've done my share of exploring and practicing techniques for coins across, its really my only chosen coin effect, so it was crucial for me to discover and carefully fine tune the right one, something that would be like a reliable workhorse. Years ago I resorted to david roths classic shell coins across, which is beautiful and very effective, but sometimes I still harboured doubts regarding that telltale characteristic sound which might cause a red flag sooner or later, so I started practicing winged silver, which I love, its very elegant, but alas my classic palm leaves much to be desired, so occassionally a rogue coin would drop and that was ultimately too much of a risk, so I had to get back to the drawing board again and keep thinking. So gradually what I discovered worked best for me was something pretty old fashioned and its also something which lets me show off a couple of my favourite secret magical moves, so that kind of won me over in the end. Alright so here it is, four silver dollars travel one at a time, the first is by friction pass, the second is also by another friction pass, the third is a classic retention vanish, and lastly the fourth is a classic french drop. I also discovered that right after I friction retain the first coin, I can quickly sleeve it in order to momentarily show my right hand to be in fact completely empty before the first coin mysteriously travels across, you could also resort to a simple ramsey subtlety if nonmechanical sleeving is perhaps too challenging, or ideally you could also resort to using magnetically attractive coins together with a raven like device or another trusty holdout rigging. Altogether I think it gives you something very magical and very believable....
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Mb217
Inner circle
V.I.P. ;)
5817 Posts
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Posted: May 15, 2012 7:29am
Hiya Mike, Welcome to the Café...
This old string seems to be from 2005 but I can understand your love of Coins Across, I love it too and it truly brought me to everything else I came to do.
If you only had one coin effect to do, this would be it as to a complete presentation IMHO. There are many variations on how to do this and since 2005 there have been some great twists on the genre for sure. One thing I did was to not use the 4th coin, just seems to make the effect overall too redundant IMHO. I use only 3 coins and came up with my own version called KrazyKoinZ Across that uses a couple of different methods to get the coins across and even brings the specs into the play. Works very well and is fun to do on a moments notice anywhere, anytime. And if you throw in the 3 Fly genre into all this, well my My Fly really makes a statement now as to amazement.
Now, I can do a lot of different Coins Across and even like Roth's [ Coins Across a lot but prefer just using regular coins and good old SOH. Truly, there are many, many ways to skin a cat as to this, as many here mentioned back in 2005. Now 7 years later, there is tons more to see that has made this classic effect newer and new again. Check these out, both wonderful but from a few years back now. It's what happens when a few clever conjurors turn up the fire with advanced skills on the same old logs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP8I0-XNVsw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBHi57hI98U
Again, welcome to the Café.
*Check out my latest Crimp Change - REDUX! and other fine magic at www.vinnymarini.com 
"Not much new under the sun I hear but under the moon, well who knows, that just might be a horse of a different color." -Mb
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Jonathan Townsend
Eternal Order
Ossining, NY
25307 Posts
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Posted: May 15, 2012 8:56am
Years later and not much discussion of having one or more extras and ditching/cuffing them to avoid the fussing. EG or NP almost work but it's more impressive to let them count the coins. That way you can count them yourself later into position, if you like, using Al Schneider's coins across procedure.
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Atom3339
Inner circle
2241 Posts
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Posted: May 15, 2012 12:02pm
LOL @ "throw in" the Han Ping Chien.
BTW, Eric Jones has some smooth handling Coins Across ideas.
And David Neighbors modifies a Paul Harris routine. Looks utterly impossible.
TH
Occupy Your Dream
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Michael Rubinstein
V.I.P.
2557 Posts
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Posted: May 15, 2012 1:01pm
In the New York Coin Magic Seminar dvd series, there are two false counts that I teach...the rops discrepancy count, and the pseudo himber count. You can see a nice Roth coins across in the video review of volume one that was posted in the three fly section which is easy and gaffless, and satisfies your criteria. There are several others on the dvd that are gaffless as well. I have a nice one using only three coins in the last set of the NYCMS dvd set, called Tallahasee Jumping Coins. It's also in my current lecture notes. You might want to check it out...only three regular coins, and the last one appears in the spectators hands
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David Neighbors
V.I.P.
3162 Posts
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Posted: May 15, 2012 2:16pm
Thanks Atom,
Yea that's My Handling Of P.D.Q Coins across! Hopefully It will Be on the New DVD Set!
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michaeldoral
New user
11 Posts
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Posted: May 15, 2012 5:18pm
Hey thank you very much for the kindhearted welcome guys, mb217 especially, all of you though, and Michael rubenstein hi, its quite a surprise, very honoured to make your acquaintance, I remember the speccolini brothers, very charming and very theatrical, great work, for coin magic I have to say you and david roth were my first favourites! And mb yes that performance of winged silver is astonishingly beautiful, alas again I believe its perhaps well beyond what my muscles seem to be willing to agree to, but the truth is I'm altogether grateful for the crusader coins across routine I've grown accustomed to after a lot of exploring, it works for me, and besides the lion share of my experience still revolves around playing cards, and a little magical fire here and there, so one good reliable coins across story is all I really need, also I resort to a dollar bill window change and richard sanders extreme burn, which is still a knock your socks off illusuion, I think its destined to become a classic even for our grandchildren, plus it really helps that richard is obviously a really great guy, good heart.
"how far that little candle throws its beams! so shines a good deed in a weary world..." william shakespeare RC+
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Jonathan Townsend
Eternal Order
Ossining, NY
25307 Posts
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Posted: May 15, 2012 5:20pm
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On 2005-06-21 15:32, Jaz wrote:
I haven't done Han Ping Chien w/o a table but there are a few bold magi who have done it in the spectator's hands. You need a surface.
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Or you can get a volunteer to count the coins into one hand and then hold out their hands as you make them travel - dropping the arrived coins into their hands.
*Credit note - that's something I saw Presto do on the street performing long ago- including getting all the coins to travel at one time using HPC that way. 
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