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John Long
Inner circle
New Jersey
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Posted: Jul 8, 2005 10:19pm
I just saw a video clip of a trick by this name: World Famous $11 bill trick
The magi had a spectator count 11 dollars and give it to him. When he (magi) counted it, he had only 10. He grabbed another bill, but counted only 10, he grabbed another, still only ten. He gave it to the spectator to count, only ten. Back and forth he went, adding bills or removing them, all in an effort to get to a starting point of 11 bills. With much spectator involvement and handling of the bills, he could never quite get to 11. It was very entertaining.
Does anyone know this trick? Where can it be found?
Thanks
John
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Jonathan Townsend
Eternal Order
Ossining, NY
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Posted: Jul 8, 2005 10:35pm
The original is Edward Victor's Eleven Card Trick.
The version using bills is Fred Kaps's and can be found in a small book by that name.
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mike gallo
Inner circle
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Posted: Jul 8, 2005 11:17pm
This is Fred Kaps...I believe there was a manuscript written on this by Anthony Brahams. Do a search on either Anthony or Kaps and see what comes up!
Mike
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Curtis Kam
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same as you, plus 3 and enough to make
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Posted: Jul 8, 2005 11:28pm
I believe the title of the manu is "Kaps Currency" unless that's the name of the purse frame routine. In the Vernon Inner Secrets Chronicles, Steven Minch credits the original idea of using bills to perform Victor's "11 Card Trick" to Gene Gordon (?) in his "Dizzy Dollar" routine. The Gordon routine may be available in his book (something with "Treasury" in the title....)
Well, that's certainly helpful, unless it's all completely wrong. It's nap time for Obscure Reference Man....
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RS1963
Inner circle
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Posted: Jul 9, 2005 12:34am
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On 2005-07-08 23:28, Curtis Kam wrote:
I believe the title of the manu is "Kaps Currency" unless that's the name of the purse frame routine. In the Vernon Inner Secrets Chronicles, Steven Minch credits the original idea of using bills to perform Victor's "11 Card Trick" to Gene Gordon (?) in his "Dizzy Dollar" routine. The Gordon routine may be available in his book (something with "Treasury" in the title....)
Well, that's certainly helpful, unless it's all completely wrong. It's nap time for Obscure Reference Man....
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It is Kaps Currency. The Gordon book is Gene Gordon's Legacy.
One more note on this effect. Michael Skinner showed the Victor 11 card trick to Kaps. Fred liked the effect and later decided to use bills instead of cards.
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Allan
Elite user
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Posted: Jul 9, 2005 10:43am
John, where did you see the video clip? Is it online. I would love to see the effect.
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Michael Dustman
Special user
Columbus, Ohio
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Posted: Jul 9, 2005 11:12am
As they said, the Kaps Currency routine is the one that you must have witnessed.
If you can't find a copy of it, may I also suggest checking out Ron Bauer's Hornswaggled Again. (Original presentation by George Starke) It is a similar money counting routine using a $10 bill, (3) $5 bills and (5) $1 bills. You show $30 to the spectator then count them in his hand as $29. He then counts them again as $29. You offer to explain how it happened. This time $30 is again verified and you count the bills immediately into his had showing $25. You count them again as $25 and state that you were hornswaggeled again, this time out of $5.
I carry this with me every day on a money clip and is perfect to pull out at a moment's notice.
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amerigo
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Posted: Jul 9, 2005 12:30pm
Sounds like a cool effect. I am always looking for effects with bills.
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JTW
Special user
Florida
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Posted: Jul 9, 2005 12:40pm
Bargatze does the best version of this. I have never laughed so hard at a (magic)performance in my life.
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Pete Biro
V.I.P.
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Posted: Jul 9, 2005 1:27pm
Kaps also had a great Hornswoggled routine with a major improvement. He can be seen doing it on the video with Brother Hamman (not a commercially released tape). What Kaps did was have the bills on a bulldog clip with a chain attached.
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Kjellstrom
Inner circle
Sweden
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Posted: Jul 9, 2005 1:27pm
http://www.adatad.demon.co.uk/books/currency.htm
http://www.matskjellstrom.se
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Werner G. Seitz
Inner circle
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Posted: Jul 9, 2005 3:42pm
Nope!!!!
Month back Anthony Brahams told me, this was an age old site that he did run together with a partner and that everything on this site is unavailable and obsolete!!
He mentioned, his partner -who did the software job- should have removed that site years back..
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John Long
Inner circle
New Jersey
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Posted: Jul 9, 2005 4:48pm
Thanks to all for your input. I truly appreciate the responses, even though my search has not yet been sucessfull.
This booklet doesn't seem to be available. It is out of print, but Anthony Brahams
anthonybrahams@ themagic.me.uk
is supposedly deciding if he will reprint it - so encourage him with an email.
I've talked to several magic shops on the phone today(they were all very kind, I think I talked an hour to Marty(of the card splitting DVD) at Martinis - very helpful with many other items, so here's a plug for his web site: http://www.martinismagic.com/Products.html, but he apparently has much stuff that's not listed, so give him a call.)
I've sent several emails, and PM to some Café members who seemed familiar with it. I'm still waiting to hear back from most of them, but it doesn't look helpfull.
Allan: I usually try to keep track of where I found videos, but I didn't this time. The file is 12.8 Mb on my hard disk. My best guess is that I got it off of the video depot - but a quick look for "World Famous 11 bill trick" didn't bring it up. It was nicely played by the magi; good comedy with 2 spectators on stage with him. If you have a way to make it available for all to see I could try emailing it to you from my work computer(I only have a dial-up at home)
Does anyone know if the 11 card trick is available and easily used for the 11 bill trick?
Michael/Pete: Hornswaggled Again sounds interesting, and similar. Where can I find out about/purchase it? Can its method be used for the Kaps Currency/11 bill trick?
Curtis: Is the Dizzy Dollar essentially the same as Kaps? do you know where it can be obtained?
Thanks again, maybe by next week I'll hear back from Anthony!
John
As I think was mentioned in another thread, Steve Bargatze was the perfomer of the Kaps Currency in the video, but I'm still not sure where I got it from
John
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Pete Biro
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Posted: Jul 9, 2005 6:25pm
Try contacting mark@stevensmagic.com he may have some Kaps Currency books. NO you cannot do Hornswoggled with the same bills.
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JTW
Special user
Florida
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Posted: Jul 9, 2005 6:26pm
Should contact Steve. He might be able to help you out.
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John Long
Inner circle
New Jersey
1777 Posts
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Posted: Jul 9, 2005 7:59pm
Thanks all
Today I called Tannens, H&R Magic Books, Martini's, Stevens Emorium, Magic Inc, and a number of others shops for which I was just given tele#s. Did Yaho and Google searches, searched Amazon, ebay, Alibris, Abebooks, and I PM about 4 Café members, posted a WANTED in the Café for sale section. I may try again with H&R & Steve's just to make sure there isn't a copy stuck in some corner, but it doesn't look promising.
I also emailed the publisher, Braham, haven't heard back yet.
Pete: thanks for the info about Hornswoggled
John
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John C
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Posted: Jul 9, 2005 10:32pm
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On 2005-07-08 22:35, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
The original is Edward Victor's Eleven Card Trick.
The version using bills is Fred Kaps's and can be found in a small book by that name.
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Look at this post:
http://www.penguinmagic.com/discuss/viewtopic.php?p=342645
Looks like the trick may be in: Harris, Paul: Art of Astonishment, Volume 2
291 Incredible Mystery of the 10th Card (Astonishing Friends): Edward Victor's Eleven card trick updated.
John Cesta
Try this one too:
http://geniimagazine.com/forum/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=6;t=000497
Search google for: "Edward Victor's Eleven Card Trick"
It says this too in another post:
From the chapters "Astonishing Friends" (etc.) :
"The Incredible Mystery of the 10th Card," by Eric Mead -- Don't want to tip any details here, but this is the most commercial version I've seen of "Edward Victor's Eleven-Card Trick."
John
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RS1963
Inner circle
2355 Posts
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Posted: Jul 9, 2005 10:40pm
The Victor ii card trick can be found in old Chronicles magazine. L&L publishing put out a bound volume of the whole series.
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John Long
Inner circle
New Jersey
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Posted: Jul 10, 2005 12:23am
You mean.., you mean its been right on my Bookshelf the whole time???!!!!?????
Its too late to go through all of this, but I did notice there are some differences:
AOA starts with the magi counting out the cards, but in the video that I saw, the spectator does. Also, the number of "extras" added to the pile were different.
AOA indicates that a "Carlyle false count" is needed(explained in vol 1 with the so called "classic" eleven card trick). I don't know yet if this can be done with dollar bills, but I'll check it out.
I may still be interested in seeing the booklet on the Kaps Currency, but this trick in AOA was a nice find. Thanks John.
I still haven't found the web site for Bargatze's presentation. If anyone comes across its location, please announce it; I'm sure everyone would enjoy seeing it.
John
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Werner G. Seitz
Inner circle
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Posted: Jul 10, 2005 1:13am
John Long,
gte the official Fred Kaps DVD, there is the complete performance of his routine captured, it is outstanding..
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Dan LeFay
Inner circle
Holland
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Posted: Jul 10, 2005 6:24am
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On 2005-07-09 11:12, Michael Dustman wrote:
As they said, the Kaps Currency routine is the one that you must have witnessed.
If you can't find a copy of it, may I also suggest checking out Ron Bauer's Hornswaggled Again. (Original presentation by George Starke) It is a similar money counting routine using a $10 bill, (3) $5 bills and (5) $1 bills. You show $30 to the spectator then count them in his hand as $29. He then counts them again as $29. You offer to explain how it happened. This time $30 is again verified and you count the bills immediately into his had showing $25. You count them again as $25 and state that you were hornswaggeled again, this time out of $5.
I carry this with me every day on a money clip and is perfect to pull out at a moment's notice.
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Though the Hornswoggled routine is also good it is in no way a similar effect to the eleven bill trick. A big advantage of the latter is that it can be performed for very large audiences (I've done it for at least 500 people a couple of times) as well as close-up.
I got the Abrams manuscript a long time ago. I always assumed Denny & Lee had them?
I first saw this routine done by Peter Pit (in that time Kaps material was seldom seen on video). I later learned the routine by Ger Copper, who (if I'm not mistaken) learned it from...Tom Mullica!!! Ger also taught it to Peter Pit.
How Mullica got it remains a mystery to me. Was he a close friend of Kaps as well? (Pete?)
For years I've been searching for a way to give this routine a satisfactory ending...
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Tales and dreams are the shadow-truths,
that will endure when mere facts are dust and ashes,
and forgot."
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Doomo
Inner circle
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Posted: Jul 10, 2005 10:57am
I am surprised that no one has mentioned the best handling of Victors 11 card trick... The Fabulous Derek Dingle Jumping Card Trick from the Complete Works of Derek Dingle.
Also, while Hornswoggled Again is a different effect from the kaps effect, it certainly no less an effect. I do both and both get equally good reactions.
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Jonathan Townsend
Eternal Order
Ossining, NY
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Posted: Jul 10, 2005 11:03am
Doomo, this is about the bill version. not sure the Dingle handling would work there. The Kaps idea seems to make the trick feasible using bills.
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Doomo
Inner circle
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Posted: Jul 10, 2005 11:06am
Not sure I agree with you Jon. I am sitting here with the requisite bills and the counts all work fine.
If you ever get to a point where words have no meaning, you're probably talking to a dog.
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Jonathan Townsend
Eternal Order
Ossining, NY
25245 Posts
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Posted: Jul 10, 2005 11:17am
( I meant that thing you need to do with the bills so ... you know  )
Yes any version of the 11 card trick and counts should work with bills, it's just that Kaps bit that allows you to manage what would otherwise be VERY difficult. Come to think of it, surprsed Derek did not publish something using gaffed bills for a kicker ending.
Has anyone combined a bill change with this routine, say to change the nine bills into a tenspot to finish? This is the sort of thing one might even use a himber wallet to do.
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Doomo
Inner circle
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Posted: Jul 10, 2005 1:14pm
Nice idea Jon. I think I might have a stand up method sans wallet.
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Pete Biro
V.I.P.
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Posted: Jul 10, 2005 1:54pm
The "real" secret to Kaps' version was Fred himself. His acting sold it. Just as the homing card... anyone else doing these had better really be good at the presentation.
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John Long
Inner circle
New Jersey
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Posted: Jul 10, 2005 1:57pm
Werner: does the Kaps DVD give the method, or just the presentation? It seemed that it just shows the presentation.
Jon: Himber wallet could provide a more of a climax type finish; change them into a 10 & a single?
A Café member gave me the website that at least lists the item(but many others *lilsted* the trick but didn't have it)
http://www.magicbooksbypost.co.uk/
The site was a little "scary", price was not given in $, uncertain postage, credit card information was given on a non-secured website.. but I placed an order!
Two minutes latter I noticed that the publisher returned my email, and has a copy. I may actually get this thing yet!
Also, if there is a way for me to post the clip of Bargatze for all to see let me know.
John
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Werner G. Seitz
Inner circle
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Posted: Jul 10, 2005 2:32pm
The DVD shows the most important part...the rest should be a pleasure to figure out..
Learn a few things well.....this life is not long enough to do everything.....
( Words of wisdom from Albert Goshman ...it paid off for him - it might
as well for YOU!!!- My own magic is styled after that motto... )
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NUNO
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Posted: Jul 11, 2005 7:24am
Hello there!
THe video is on http://www.magicofstephen.com and you can find the book directly from Steve bargatze. Steve is my good friend so just let him know that you find the information by me NUNO,....if you have any questions let me know....
Best regards,
Nuno Grilo
P.S.:When you see some tricks don't hesitate to say the name of performers....thats the best way to protect originals...
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