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Dick Christian
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Posted: May 20, 2010 6:33am
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On 2010-05-20 03:17, Bill Palmer wrote:
Yes. I mentioned it earlier. It depended on inserting a key into the lock, then moving it out one notch to make it work.
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The technique used for CW's "Hemingway Lock" and some other models as well as "Keys of Judah."
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jay leslie
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Posted: Jun 23, 2010 3:06pm
Yes/but on the Mellon Version
It's two notches and House of Enchantment was making them in the early 60s The first (I believe) to do it that way.
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Bill Palmer
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Posted: Jun 23, 2010 5:58pm
Mellon put out the Keys of Judah in 1954.
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jay leslie
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Posted: Jun 29, 2010 2:36pm
Thanks Bill
Al I could find was a work order for the lock company, dated in the early 60s. That must have been a second run,
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Bill Palmer
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Posted: Jun 29, 2010 9:50pm
I cheated. I went to conjuring arts and did a search on it. I found the first ad for it.
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gnosis
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Posted: Jul 2, 2010 8:17am
Is anyone familiar with Mikame's Luc-Key?
How does it compare to the other mechanisms mentioned in this thread?
Here's a video of it in action:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCHniAGAaDc
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Bill Palmer
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Posted: Jul 3, 2010 4:22am
This works like Pent-a-Lock. Once you know that particular lock, you can spot it anywhere.
I think this also may be the method that Bob Torson's lock used. I saw Bob perform his version in 1960 at a convention in Houston. He could control who opened the lock and who didn't. It did not look contrived at all.
The first, though was definitely the Annemann version, which used an ungimmicked lock and ungimmicked keys.
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ealexm
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Posted: Jul 18, 2010 2:30am
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On 2010-05-18 05:47, Mandini wrote:
... Hemingway Lock and Repro 71's very clever Pentalock which overcame one limitation of Key-R-Rect: the other keys could not be tried on the lock after the effect, because, by then, any one of them would open the lock.
I hope that will help clarify the situation and perhaps there may be other Forum members who may have further details to add or to correct me on.
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There is (in addition) a Schlage Lock version where the one key left opens the lock AND due to lost ball construction keying, it negates the other 5 keys. The 5 choices can be made as usual but the remaining key opens (spectator can do it) and all is inspectable.
One key can be shown (by the magician)to operate before mixing the keys. The lock is then in a condition where any of the 6 keys work, triggering the construction device to make the lock operable only by that key. Mechanical. Resetting is a pain.
This is the same PRINCIPLE used by Schlage for the Home Secure Construction Keying whereby there is a construction master useable to lock the house while under construction and workmen of the construction trades can get in, but the first time the owner uses his key, the construction master is negated and cannot be made to work anymore.
The difference for the trick is that the keying (combinating) and the plug drilling is done in an way designed to enable the effect, otherwise the Schlage padlock around the cylinder is normal. These padlocks are rekeyable by loosening a screw in the shackle toe hole when the lock is open. This secret was only known by Palmer Tilden, myself, and a few Schlage employees.
I used for my IBM entry performance, a variation with 6 keys and 6 padlocks. Six spectators each choose a key from six in a glass. Then instead of choosing a key to fit a lock, they chose a lock that they thought might fit their key. (same thing) At my signal they all turned their keys with a resounding click and no other keys operated any lock than the chosen ones. Obviously the notches in the each key differs from all the other keys.
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gnosis
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Posted: Jul 19, 2010 5:28am
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There is (in addition) a Schlage Lock version where the one key left opens the lock AND due to lost ball construction keying, it negates the other 5 keys. The 5 choices can be made as usual but the remaining key opens (spectator can do it) and all is inspectable.
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This sounds interesting. Do you recall what the effect is called and where it can be bought?
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Bill Palmer
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Posted: Jul 19, 2010 4:54pm
The Repro lock I was thinking of must not have been the Pen-Ta-Lock, because the Repro lock I have uses a system that will work both before and after the unlocking.
Tangential to the subject was a padlock that I think Schlage had, or perhaps it was Kwikset, which may be a subsidiary of Schlage, that you could key to match the locks on your house. I still have the lock, but it doesn't match my house locks any more. When the bump key videos started making their rounds, I replaced all my locks with Mul-T-Locks.
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equivoque
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Posted: Dec 29, 2010 4:32pm
What about:http://www.cannonsgreatescapes.com/ShoppingCart/Key_Choice_purchase.html
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Bill Palmer
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Posted: Dec 30, 2010 2:49am
I would have to see it in actual use or see a description of an actual performance.
BTW, what is a "real" mentalist? They use this term in their ad.
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Dick Christian
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Posted: Dec 31, 2010 9:02am
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On 2010-07-18 02:30, ealexm wrote:
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On 2010-05-18 05:47, Mandini wrote:
... Hemingway Lock and Repro 71's very clever Pentalock which overcame one limitation of Key-R-Rect: the other keys could not be tried on the lock after the effect, because, by then, any one of them would open the lock.
I hope that will help clarify the situation and perhaps there may be other Forum members who may have further details to add or to correct me on.
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There is (in addition) a Schlage Lock version where the one key left opens the lock AND due to lost ball construction keying, it negates the other 5 keys. The 5 choices can be made as usual but the remaining key opens (spectator can do it) and all is inspectable.
One key can be shown (by the magician)to operate before mixing the keys. The lock is then in a condition where any of the 6 keys work, triggering the construction device to make the lock operable only by that key. Mechanical. Resetting is a pain.
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While I cannot speak to the Schlage system referred to, I can attest that the "Key-R-Rect" set that I purchased in the early 1970s works as ealexm describes; i.e., only 1 key is shown to open the lock and doing so triggers it to be opened by any key then, after being re-set (which in the case of "Key-R-Rect" can be done quickly, easily and surreptitiously) only the "special" key will open it.
Accordingly, Mandini's assertion that with Key-R-Rect "the other keys could not be tried on the lock after the effect, because, by then, any one of them would open the lock" is incorrect.
Dick Christian
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Christopher Starr (Toronto)
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Posted: Feb 5, 2011 10:56pm
Does anyone know of the version of Key r rect that has a plastic plexiglass folder holding a bank note where the lock is holding all, such that only the one key frees the money? I would like to do this effect so that the birthday child can win the $20 locked up. I saw a version of this trick in the 80's, so I know it existed, just can't find it now. Of course I could have the plexiglass part made up to go with a lock, but was hoping to buy it all ready done.
Thanks for any leads!
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TrickyRicky
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Posted: Mar 20, 2011 7:29am
Hi Christopher..
If you have Stunners (Larry Becker) has a great method for Key Rect.
There is a new version Key- Rect on the market called (Correct Key).
Mikame also makes similer outfit.
Tricky Ricky
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Bill Palmer
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Posted: Mar 20, 2011 12:02pm
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On 2010-12-31 09:02, Dick Christian wrote:
While I cannot speak to the Schlage system referred to, I can attest that the "Key-R-Rect" set that I purchased in the early 1970s works as ealexm describes; i.e., only 1 key is shown to open the lock and doing so triggers it to be opened by any key then, after being re-set (which in the case of "Key-R-Rect" can be done quickly, easily and surreptitiously) only the "special" key will open it.
Accordingly, Mandini's assertion that with Key-R-Rect "the other keys could not be tried on the lock after the effect, because, by then, any one of them would open the lock" is incorrect.
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This is only true if the performer can reset the lock before anyone tries the other keys. That's one good reason to put your toys away after you get through with them!
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On 2011-02-05 22:56, Christopher Starr (Toronto) wrote:
Does anyone know of the version of Key r rect that has a plastic plexiglass folder holding a bank note where the lock is holding all, such that only the one key frees the money? I would like to do this effect so that the birthday child can win the $20 locked up. I saw a version of this trick in the 80's, so I know it existed, just can't find it now. Of course I could have the plexiglass part made up to go with a lock, but was hoping to buy it all ready done.
Thanks for any leads!
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This wasn't a version of Key-R-Rect, if you want to be precise. It was a version of "Seven Keys to Baldpate," which was the original "one key opens the lock" trick. The one you refer to was put out by Repro 71 (Later called Repro Magic). Mike Danata acquired Repro Magic sometime around 2008, and now manufactures something similar called "Just Chance" that uses a locked wallet instead of a piece of plexiglass. His URL is http://www.mikedanatasmagicstudio.co.uk/ . Look under mentalism. Do NOT run the video of his magic studio. It locks up.
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danatasmagic
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Posted: Mar 22, 2011 6:22pm
"Do NOT run the video of his magic studio. It locks up."
Ref the above comment, the video clip is coming from youtube, I've just run it & there appears to be no problems!
All good wishes
Mike Danata
www.mikedanatasmagicstudio.co.uk
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Bill Palmer
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Posted: Apr 15, 2011 2:20pm
I'm still having trouble with it. Maybe you need to check the compatibility with systems other than the one you use.
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jay leslie
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Posted: Aug 1, 2011 12:09am
So it appears that Ed Mellon's idea with Jim Swoger's keying system were the first.... Is that correct, Bill?
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Bill Palmer
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Posted: Aug 1, 2011 1:39am
Not really. Annemann's Seven Keys to Baldpate was the first. Mellon's was a way of doing this with a gimmicked lock.
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jay leslie
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Posted: Aug 2, 2011 9:29pm
Ahh
Gimmicked. Good.
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Jim Grathoff
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Posted: Sep 4, 2011 3:39pm
www.nitelitemagic.com makes correct key (key-r-rect)
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Bill Palmer
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Posted: Sep 15, 2011 4:45pm
You need to spell check your entire web site.
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williamgillis3
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Posted: Oct 25, 2011 9:15pm
I have both al Key-R-Rect with instructions (with as noted a copy of Carl Wolf's signature on the back) and a Collectors Workshop Geneva Prediction Watch for sale. But first a back story.
Our daughter Kendall turns seven tomorrow. Back on July 9th she suffered a catastrophic stroke and after being in a coma for five days the neurosurgery team at Joe DiMaggio Children's Hospital performed brain surgery to save her life. Now we are focused on her rehab and therapies, a lot of which are not covered by insurance. As a result I am selling most of my magic collection with 100% of the proceeds going to support Kendall's Occupational and Speech Therapy.
Here is a link to her story: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7FLSIIVEp4
So please if you can help us by buying these items we would appreciate it. Remember it is for an amazing cause!
Key-R-Rect - by Carl Wolf Merriss Magic - $125.00
Geneva Prediction Watch - Collector's Workshop - $425.00
Actual shipping and insurance not included and will be agreed upon with buyer. Will ship domestic or international.
Please contact me at william3@thegillisgroup.com or call 561.531.2801 with inquiry.
Thank you for your support!
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dave
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Posted: Nov 27, 2011 11:26am
I have an original Penta Lock from Repro Magic of London, it works perfect, there are 12 keys, and a there is a brilliant handling, where the magi never touches the lock, yet it will open with any of the keys, or none of them, you are in complete control, this can be used at a kids birthday party, where the birth child wins or chooses the correct key or for adults with a ton of routines.
the Perspex/plastic holder is in good shape, the lock works very smooth and I want to sell it, and 100% of the money will go direct to Bill Gillis for Kendall, send $50.00 pay pal to Bill, and he will send me the mail info, I prefer to mail in the US only as it is pricey to send elsewhere, you may find an original for less, but remember the cause, we are helping a friend.
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Jim Grathoff
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Posted: Oct 5, 2012 7:41am
The correct web site addy http://nitelitemagic.com
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