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Cory Gallupe
Inner circle
Nova Scotia, Canada
1279 Posts
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Posted: Sep 12, 2005 3:12pm
Anyone here do hypnosis? I do, and it is great. The only problem is if they know you do hypnosis they don't want to see the magic and skip right to the "good stuff". And another problem, if you are doing it at a party, which is usually when they want you to do it. There are always people running in and out of the room. Its very hard to get someone under if that's happening. And then they think you are full of it cuz you couldn't get them under. But a lot of my friends seen me be successful in doing it before, so they believe me. Its a great reputation maker. Just don't tell anyone about it if you cant do it right there, right now. Or they wont believe you. So, if you want the word about you to get around, hypnosis is a great way of doing so. There is a great book at Chapters that teaches hypnosis if anyone is interested. Its called "Fun With Hypnosis" The slogan says " Learn to hypnotize in under an hour" And its true, I hypnotized my mom an hour after reading. BUT, it does not make you a pro, and does not teach fast inductions, but I would highly reccommend it! -Cory.
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kcalB
Special user
It's EVP not EVP's
881 Posts
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Posted: Sep 12, 2005 3:25pm
Cory,
I have hypnotized people in the middle of Harley Davidson rallys and at biker bars and if youre having trouble at house partys then I suggest that you find a better book to study and stop recommending something that dosent work.
Finally the mere thought that your performing magic and hypnosis in the same breath indicates that you are not ready for hypnosis.
Sebastian Black
Listen to Cult of the Psychic Fetus.
BooandBreakfast.com
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J ack Galloway
Inner circle
1312 Posts
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Posted: Sep 12, 2005 3:49pm
Oh c'mon Sebastian it is a safty net don't you think so?
Jim
http://www.magicjim.net
http://www.JimClass.Com
http://jimclass.com/Lecture.htm
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RickDangerous
Special user
I can't believe I made
893 Posts
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Posted: Sep 12, 2005 5:02pm
Please use the search function
"Reality is what you can get away with."
Robert A. Wilson
"Think for yourself and question authority."
Timothy Leary
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Cory Gallupe
Inner circle
Nova Scotia, Canada
1279 Posts
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Posted: Sep 12, 2005 5:25pm
I got a question, why would magic and hypnosis not go together???
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J ack Galloway
Inner circle
1312 Posts
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Posted: Sep 12, 2005 5:46pm
You are correct no reason not to.
It is as I mentioned a safty net.
I did intend it to be a bad thing.
Jim
http://www.magicjim.net
http://www.JimClass.Com
http://jimclass.com/Lecture.htm
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Michael Bilkis
Special user
717 Posts
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Posted: Sep 12, 2005 5:49pm
Jack,
You almost sound like our dear departed friend Rick S.
Michael
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Spinnato
Veteran user
387 Posts
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Posted: Sep 12, 2005 5:51pm
Mixing magic and hypnosis doesn't bother me. I've done it dozens of times. What bothers me is that you're hypnotizing people an hour after reading some half ass lesson. I strongly suggest you take this a little more seriously!
And by the way. Please learn how to SPELL hypnosis (not Hypnonosis) before attempting to hynotize anyone!!!!!!!!
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sandman690
Loyal user
230 Posts
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Posted: Sep 12, 2005 7:04pm
I am trained in hypnosis and agree that a book claiming to teach the skills in one hour is not enough to feel prepared to go out there and hypnotize. It may be a good book for learnig a basic induction, but I suggest getting professional training from a qualitfied instructor. Just remember that you are dealing with the minds of people, not a deck of cards.
Stan
Hypnosis Albuquerque
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Cory Gallupe
Inner circle
Nova Scotia, Canada
1279 Posts
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Posted: Sep 12, 2005 7:23pm
Ya, I am in no way a proffesional hypnotist, I still do have a lot to learn, and I did read a lot more of the book, still reading in fact. And don't worry, I do know how to spell hypnosis! 
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jimtron
Inner circle
2026 Posts
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Posted: Sep 12, 2005 7:31pm
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On 2005-09-12 17:51, Spinnato wrote:
Mixing magic and hypnosis doesn't bother me. I've done it dozens of times. What bothers me is that you're hypnotizing people an hour after reading some half ass lesson. I strongly suggest you take this a little more seriously!
And by the way. Please learn how to SPELL hypnosis (not Hypnonosis) before attempting to hynotize anyone!!!!!!!!
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The subject of this thread appears to be a typo--you'll notice that Cory spelled hypnosis properly in the body of his post.
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Hexagon
Regular user
London
197 Posts
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Posted: Sep 12, 2005 7:36pm
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On 2005-09-12 17:51, Spinnato wrote:
...before attempting to hynotize anyone!!!!!!!!
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tut tut
Sleep until the morning
www.jackcatling.co.uk
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J ack Galloway
Inner circle
1312 Posts
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Posted: Sep 12, 2005 7:48pm
Michael ,
I will take that as a compliment.
Rick and I were often adversarys but he was true in his beleifs.
We fired from oposing pionts of beliefe and respect.
Jim
http://www.magicjim.net
http://www.JimClass.Com
http://jimclass.com/Lecture.htm
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Michael Bilkis
Special user
717 Posts
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Posted: Sep 12, 2005 8:47pm
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On 2005-09-12 19:48, J ack Galloway wrote:
Michael ,
I will take that as a compliment.
Rick and I were often adversarys but he was true in his beleifs.
We fired from oposing pionts of beliefe and respect.
Jim
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Amen
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Ed Hutchison
Regular user
Madison, MS (orig. CNY)
121 Posts
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Posted: Sep 12, 2005 9:12pm
At the risk of appearing immodest, I'd like to suggest that anyone with a serious interest in the subject of hypnosis might find one of my books helpful. You'll find an excerpt at: http://erh3.homestead.com/hypexc.html
Edward Hutchison
Madison, MS
Home Page: http://www.ERHutchison.com
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shrink
Inner circle
2609 Posts
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Posted: Sep 13, 2005 5:41am
You shouldn't use hypnosis period without proper training. Nobook can prepare you for what can go wrong. No training can prepare you totally for what can go wrong but a reading a book and playing around is asking for trouble..
Shrink
You don't know who is in front of you and their history.
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Cory Gallupe
Inner circle
Nova Scotia, Canada
1279 Posts
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Posted: Sep 13, 2005 3:11pm
Well, Im a little confused, do you mean that something can go wrong as in they never wake up? Cuz, that cant happen. Or do you mean if you say something maybe along the lines of a grandmother and theyre grandmother died and they took it real hard. Then they start crying, and they hate you and all the stuff??? I would like to know what you mean when you say "something goes wrong". Thanks.
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Spinnato
Veteran user
387 Posts
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Posted: Sep 13, 2005 4:50pm
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On 2005-09-13 15:11, themagicman101 wrote:
Well, Im a little confused, do you mean that something can go wrong as in they never wake up? Cuz, that cant happen. Or do you mean if you say something maybe along the lines of a grandmother and theyre grandmother died and they took it real hard. Then they start crying, and they hate you and all the stuff??? I would like to know what you mean when you say "something goes wrong". Thanks.
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Thus my point. All the more reason to seek out additional training!!
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jimtron
Inner circle
2026 Posts
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Posted: Sep 13, 2005 5:11pm
Specifically, what kinds of things can go wrong?
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Cory Gallupe
Inner circle
Nova Scotia, Canada
1279 Posts
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Posted: Sep 13, 2005 7:59pm
Ya, that's what I would like to know. If I wanted to be a proffesional, I would go thru training. But this is just a mere hobbie if you will, that people will sometimes ask me to do. I don't include it in my routines, altho, it does sometimes happen that people will ask me to do it after a show. But I am not a proffesional magician now, so its not like I do it often, just when friends come over and ask me to. Even if I was a proffesional magician, I wouldnt include that in my routine.
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Dannydoyle
Eternal Order
14031 Posts
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Posted: Sep 14, 2005 4:56am
Is anyone but ME just scared as can be about this thread in general? It is bad enough when somene tries to do close up magic after 2 months at a professional level, but wow this really has me spooked.
You are dealing with the mind. You are dealing with a PERSONS mind spacifically. Each one while it may share similarities is unique. If you run into a problem with a person with repressed memories, or with PTSD wow are you in for a bad night. PLEASE do not do this for kicks. You can make someone really unhappy for a while and possibly emotionally scar them for a while.
Please heed these warnings and not regard them as the ramblings of a paranoid. All you need is 1 what is called an ab-reactor and you are in trouble. How would you get out of it if somene had repressed a rape from a couple of years ago and you stumble into it blindly. For that matter how would you avoid stumbling into it blindly? This is only a few of the things that can happen. Without training you have no idea how to react yourself.
Hypnosis is NOT a hobby period. Please find a qualified therapist to guide you and teach you. If you have no interest in performing, this is all you need. IF you want to perform you then need to also learn routining and some other stage craft. Do not hypnotise people for fun at parties. I am a professional hypnotist and I don't do that.
As far as magic and hypnosis I am not really in favor of it. I feel Jim is right when he says it is a saftey net. People want to make sure they have a back up so the show goes on no matter what happens. Not a bad plan really.
I don't do it because it gets the idea in their head that it is a trick. They couldn't figure out the tricks, but they were tricks. It seems that when I experimented with the tricks first that the feeling was hypnosis was tricks they simply couldn't figure out. This is only my preference. I have seen MANY performers who do it with magic or mentalisim and really do well with it. My style simply does not allow for it is all.
Well my statements allows for the fact that it is GOOD magic or Mentalisim. If not then I change my mind.
Danny Doyle
Semper Occultus
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell
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bodin
New user
22 Posts
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Posted: Sep 14, 2005 5:22am
It is rather apparent that several posters of this thread and magicians in general tend to confuse hypnotism and mere suggestion.
I would say that stage "hypnotism" is mostly about suggestion and willingness to be a tool for suggestive methods. Not deep "hypnotism". A little in the same direction goes wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnotism#Stage_hypnotism
-- magnus
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jimtron
Inner circle
2026 Posts
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Posted: Sep 14, 2005 2:43pm
Danny:
Would you mind elaborating on specific problems that can occur from stage hypnosis? What's an ab-reactor? How would repressed memories be dredged up? Do you know of any incidents of stage hypnotists running into these kinds of problems?
thanks,
Jim
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Dannydoyle
Eternal Order
14031 Posts
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Posted: Sep 15, 2005 2:31am
Jim, yes I will elaborate some. Understand these problems are FAR from common. The problems arise on occasion. The danger is in how they are dealt with.
To dredge up a repressed memory takes little effort. People have all kinds of things in their heads. We can not get into the spacifics here of how the mind works. You can bump into the stuff in a number of ways and bring them RIGHT to the traumatic event. All of the emotion and pain associated with this event quickly surfaces and needs to be dealt with. This is an ab-reaction in a nutshell.
Most stage hypnotists at one time or another run into some form of problem. Some mild, some servere. If you run into the problem and have NO idea how to deal with it you have made this problem worse.
For example Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. A common problem to one degree or another for Vets, and cops. Do you want to help someone relive a war problem right in their own living room at a party and have no idea how to deal with it? This is why hypnosis is NOT a hobby.
Bodin any time you start relaxing and getting to the sub conscious you are in danger of getting ab reactions period. You are right that many are confused and apparantly YOU are one of them. If your not a stage hypnotist then please don't try to explain what it is it will only cause more confussion.
Danny Doyle
Semper Occultus
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell
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Partizan
Inner circle
London UK
1683 Posts
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Posted: Sep 15, 2005 4:21am
Hypnotists in general do not understand what the process is with hypnosis, scientists are still in the dark on this subject.
It is known that subjects fully adhere to their moral codes and standards and can say no or terminate the session at any point. Hypnosis is no more dangerous than watching TV. Anyone can become a hypnotist, the area is poorly regulated.
Hypnotists that induce bad reactions can be the best trained in the world or a kid with a 1 hour book, the bad reaction would have been triggered at some point in the persons life anyway, the likelyhood of meeting undiagnosed psychotics is quite high.
What has been confused here is HYPNOTHERAPY, with this practice there can be big issues as you are dealing with damaged people and a good grounding in NLP and psychology is needed if not required.
"You cannot depend on your eyes when your imagination is out of focus."
- Mark Twain
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shrink
Inner circle
2609 Posts
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Posted: Sep 15, 2005 7:13am
There has been threads on this subject which are covered extensively..
Anyone who believes that hypnosis isn't real or that stage members agree to be used as a suggestion tool is niave at best. Or they just aren't good stage hypnotists.
Some people will do almost anything while in a hypnotic state on stage. And they will act upon literal words and sentences. You need to understand this or you can give someone a suggestion that will cause them physical if not psychological damage.
Also on stage you may have a number of very disoriented members of the public who can fall over run out of the premises or react in ways you can't predict.
But don't take my word for it go out and find out for yourself...
For some people that's the only way they learn unfortunately..
Shrink
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cupsandballsmagic
Inner circle
2457 Posts
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Posted: Sep 15, 2005 10:21am
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On 2005-09-14 04:56, Dannydoyle wrote:
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Amen. Ca nwe not have some kind of seperate section of the board for hypnosis with an appropriate FAQ?
I am tired of having my posts deleted by moderators because I tell people when they are endangering people because they seem to think that it is okay to "toy" with it...
There are many others on here like Richard, Lee and Shrink who also try to warn people about the issues and dangers, all it takes is a simple search yet the same questions and disregard for people come around time and time again....
Cups and Balls | Cups and Balls magic
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jimtron
Inner circle
2026 Posts
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Posted: Sep 15, 2005 2:13pm
What's the reason given for deleting your posts?
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hkwiles
Special user
Howard Wiles
797 Posts
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Posted: Sep 15, 2005 2:41pm
If there are any budding stage hypnotists that you know....my "like brand new" copy
of The New Encyclopedia of Stage Hypnotism is up fro grabs on e-bay.co.uk
Howard
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Cory Gallupe
Inner circle
Nova Scotia, Canada
1279 Posts
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Posted: Sep 15, 2005 3:28pm
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On 2005-09-14 04:56, Dannydoyle wrote:
Is anyone but ME just scared as can be about this thread in general? It is bad enough when somene tries to do close up magic after 2 months at a professional level, but wow this really has me spooked.
You are dealing with the mind. You are dealing with a PERSONS mind spacifically. Each one while it may share similarities is unique. If you run into a problem with a person with repressed memories, or with PTSD wow are you in for a bad night. PLEASE do not do this for kicks. You can make someone really unhappy for a while and possibly emotionally scar them for a while.
Please heed these warnings and not regard them as the ramblings of a paranoid. All you need is 1 what is called an ab-reactor and you are in trouble. How would you get out of it if somene had repressed a rape from a couple of years ago and you stumble into it blindly. For that matter how would you avoid stumbling into it blindly? This is only a few of the things that can happen. Without training you have no idea how to react yourself.
Hypnosis is NOT a hobby period. Please find a qualified therapist to guide you and teach you. If you have no interest in performing, this is all you need. IF you want to perform you then need to also learn routining and some other stage craft. Do not hypnotise people for fun at parties. I am a professional hypnotist and I don't do that.
As far as magic and hypnosis I am not really in favor of it. I feel Jim is right when he says it is a saftey net. People want to make sure they have a back up so the show goes on no matter what happens. Not a bad plan really.
I don't do it because it gets the idea in their head that it is a trick. They couldn't figure out the tricks, but they were tricks. It seems that when I experimented with the tricks first that the feeling was hypnosis was tricks they simply couldn't figure out. This is only my preference. I have seen MANY performers who do it with magic or mentalisim and really do well with it. My style simply does not allow for it is all.
Well my statements allows for the fact that it is GOOD magic or Mentalisim. If not then I change my mind.
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Well, Im not just some kid that has been playing with cards and thinks he is a magician. I've been a magician for 5 years, 3 seriously. So, I'm pretty good. And, I don't know where you guys got the impression that I'm a stage hypnotist, but I'm not, I only do it to people that beg me to. I say "c'mon, it takes a long time and youve already seen it!" But I only do it to family and friends very rarely. And no, I don't know how to deal with a crazy person or whatever, but I'm not a hypnotheripist, I do comedy stuff. Make people laugh. And if something did somehow go wrong, I only do it for family and friends, so they wouldnt fire me from the proffesion I don't have. Im not saying to get this book becuase it teaches you fast and will make you a pro. Because it wont. Im only saying if you want to learn a little bit of hypnosis and get the "just" of it, then this is a good book to get. Sure, if you wanted to be a proffesional then you should get proper training, but this is just something I thought would be neat to learn. Anyways, hope you all understand what Im saying. -Cory.
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