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PsiDroid
Inner circle
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Posted: Jan 19, 2010 4:52pm
Can this be shared in inner thoughts ??
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Patrick Redford
Inner circle
Michigan
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Posted: Jan 19, 2010 11:17pm
Thanks everyone again for the overwhelming response/attention this project has gained. As for the typo issue - I'm not sure what happened here and the folks at Vanishing Inc are working on that. There may have been a mix up with a file and some unedited portions slipped through somehow. Frustrating indeed!
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On 2010-01-12 10:11, Lord Of The Horses wrote:
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On 2010-01-12 10:05, Withnail wrote:
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On 2010-01-09 16:06, VernonOnCoins wrote:
Definitely not putting this down in any way cause is phenomenal...but arrrgh...I failed three times today. I got the system down and grant it I was performing for magicians, but still...I couldn't get a single hit
On a better note, performed it yesterday for a lay crowd and hit every time
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So your problem is? 
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Too much time spent on coin sleights?
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If you're talking about what I think you're talking about, it's a great technique. I always thought this was one of those well know bits. It's technically contact mind reading though, yes?
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Lord Of The Horses
Inner circle
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Posted: Jan 20, 2010 2:23am
Patrick, it's technically not since you are not reading "their mind" (quotes intended) by asking them or by directing them to think which hand they have the coin in.
Actually you don't ask anything at all and still works (it worked on me too when McGill showed that to me... but maybe he just took a lucky guess )
However if that thing is contact mind-reading or not is as debatable as what dual reality is...
I did send an e-mail to you...
Posted: Jan 20, 2010 3:17pm
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Update: It seems that that pipsqueak of Colin ( ) came up on his own with something very similar to McGill.
However, once again I cannot recommend highly enough this work of Patrick.
If some of you are stll on the fence about this one... Stop hesitating and get your copy!
While Patrick clearly states that "Prevaricator" is more a set of principles than one effect, I believe it's good to restate this, here.
I suggest you to read... DIRECTIONAL MIND PATHS - Vol.1: Beyond The Veil Of Maya and also to read DANGEROUS - XXI Century Dual Reality Techniques
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Colin
Inner circle
Central Scotland
1151 Posts
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Posted: Jan 20, 2010 5:32pm
Hey mate!
Just caught up... I know which technique you're talking about and it's honestly incredibly reliable! Also worried out a few more that have all been incredibly reliable too! I have some subtleties which I think make it work more reliably than the principle on its own though.
I know have three outside of Patrick's thinking which work very well, all totally different and I'll aim to get lots of footage of me using it in action asap! This week is turning out to be busier than expected... I own Patrick a LOT of footage, and working hard to get it done ASAP!
E-mail me when you get a chance Paolo, lots to catch up on 
Very best wishes,
Col.
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cougar261084
Elite user
435 Posts
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Posted: Jan 21, 2010 3:37am
I bought the dvd on monday so it hasn't arrived yet.
so this extra technique your all talking about isn't discussed on the dvd or in the e-book?
I hope I won't have to buy anything extra for this newly announced technique. where can I learn it then
my site
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Colin
Inner circle
Central Scotland
1151 Posts
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Posted: Jan 21, 2010 11:27am
Right now, it's nowhere. Totally unpublished!
The dvd will give you more than you need!
If it's not original to me, I may not release it.
Cougar, you bought Patrick's dvd with HIS techniques.
Best wishes,
Col
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PsiDroid
Inner circle
1993 Posts
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Posted: Jan 21, 2010 11:28am
Cougar:
while I asked if that was shareable in inner thoughts: I don't think you should be entitled to know that
if that something mcleod cavalli mcgill or whoever else came up on their own. you cannot expect that the dvd is constantly updated for you [and us]
nice if mr.redford decide to do that but its his option: you bought a finished product ready to go and redford cannot really forecast how many new tells anyone will discover by themseselves by practicing hard enough
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cougar261084
Elite user
435 Posts
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Posted: Jan 21, 2010 4:29pm
Oh bugger
my site
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Colin
Inner circle
Central Scotland
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Posted: Jan 21, 2010 9:14pm
Lol. My point exactly! But I'm really very nice so will film them for patrick!
You're going to love the dvd cougar!
Col
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cougar261084
Elite user
435 Posts
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Posted: Jan 22, 2010 7:57am
And will it then be released as instant download or? update?
my site
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Colin
Inner circle
Central Scotland
1151 Posts
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Posted: Jan 22, 2010 12:06pm
No idea yet! Incredibly busy at the moment I'm affraid but will be getting on to it asap!
Still to speak to patrick to see if he wants them! Otherwise his dvd will give you everthing you could possibly need!
Col.
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mota
Inner circle
1640 Posts
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Posted: Jan 22, 2010 7:45pm
OK...all you fans of this plot...here is a very easy way to practice. If you know the basics of this approach this will make sense.
TV court shows...
You have the plaintiff and the defendant. Sometimes it is honest differences but most of the time one of them is flat-out lying.
The judge asks a question...one of them (plaintiff or defendant) will be lying. Just look for the tells the same as you would if you were performing the effect. The camera usually shows both plaintiff and defendant. The tells are often incredibly obvious.
This is very easy with Judge Judy as she asks pointed questions.
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edh
Inner circle
4702 Posts
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Posted: Jan 22, 2010 8:57pm
Hmmm...that's a great idea. Thanks for the tip Mota.
Magic is a vanishing art.
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Colin
Inner circle
Central Scotland
1151 Posts
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Posted: Jan 23, 2010 5:44am
Nice Mota...Or in the uk, the way I used to practice was by watching 'never mind the buzzcocks'.
They have a guess who round...
Best wishes,
Col
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tincture
Special user
534 Posts
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Posted: Jan 23, 2010 6:16pm
Never Mind The buzzcocks?
This show?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocP4mOWGNRE
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Colin
Inner circle
Central Scotland
1151 Posts
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Posted: Jan 23, 2010 6:45pm
That's the one! And it's one of the best comedy T.V. shows in the UK! Two ticks!!
Col.
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Patrick Redford
Inner circle
Michigan
1467 Posts
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Posted: Jan 25, 2010 6:57am
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On 2010-01-22 19:45, mota wrote:
OK...all you fans of this plot...here is a very easy way to practice. If you know the basics of this approach this will make sense.
TV court shows...
You have the plaintiff and the defendant. Sometimes it is honest differences but most of the time one of them is flat-out lying.
The judge asks a question...one of them (plaintiff or defendant) will be lying. Just look for the tells the same as you would if you were performing the effect. The camera usually shows both plaintiff and defendant. The tells are often incredibly obvious.
This is very easy with Judge Judy as she asks pointed questions.
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This is a very cool idea. Mota also made note in a PM (notifying me of this post) that he also pays particular attention to the person behind the plaintiff/defendant in the court room that's friends with the aforementioned.
Great idea!
Patrick Redford
Now Available for video download: Description - an Organic Word Divination www.patrickredford.com
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ReverendDave
New user
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Posted: Jan 29, 2010 4:13pm
So I have read through all 10 (!) pages of this topic, and it seems to me that people are saying you actually read people's body language to determine if they are lying. So could you use this in say, poker? Actually, I have a hard time reading tells in poker, so this may not be the product for me
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tincture
Special user
534 Posts
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Posted: Jan 31, 2010 12:16am
You do actually read folk's body language but there's more to it than that! I'm not sure how I'd apply it in poker directly...
Actually some of these things could be useful at a poker table but you'd really have to turn the techniques upside down.
This thing is more than reading tells - it's hard to explain exactly what it is because it is so much!
Tim
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dbain
New user
51 Posts
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Posted: Feb 1, 2010 7:30pm
Really enjoyed watching this DVD. I read the book when it first came out but honestly never had the guts to try the method out (felt like one of those things you feel you have to see in action before trying). Now that I've watched the DVD, I can't wait to try this out.
Also, the subtlety of the method for eliminating to the right hand holding an object is also quite brilliant.
Well done!!!
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dbain
New user
51 Posts
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Posted: Feb 3, 2010 8:51am
I wanted to report back that I tried Prevaricator when I was out to dinner last night with some friends and it worked like a charm. Wow!
I had no doubt who the liar was and was shocked at how well the main Prevaricator tell works.
Also, the premise of it all is great and participants really get into it.
Can't wait to refine, consider other possibilities, and use more.
Brilliant! Kudos to 'Patrick Redford' and his collaborators on developoing this!
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monello74
Veteran user
400 Posts
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Posted: Feb 3, 2010 5:52pm
I suggest to use the same technique in order to guess the 5 ESP symbols:
You just ask 5 partecipants to select a different symbol.
Then use the same technique of Prevaricator to discovery the 5 symbols selected by each sepctator.
Bye
Tommy.
It's a Miracle...
For ACAAN/OP effects:
(Mental Magic)
http://sites.google.com/site/m2mmagictrick
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dbain
New user
51 Posts
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Posted: Feb 4, 2010 10:09am
Tommy, I think there are better ways to "guess" ESP symbols and I'm not sure I see how to apply the Prevaricator concept there.
What I think Prevaricator works well with is the basic equivoque routine where you tell someone you will use observations about them and their personality to make a prediction which you write out and leave on the table. They line up five objects on the table, choose one, and it matches your prediction. You point out that you knew which object they would choose because you are a careful study of psychology and the human mind, etc. Totally impromptu and leads in very well to Prevaricator!
Love these kinds of effects because they appeal to people on a very personal level.
Does anyone have any other thoughts of anything else (preferably impromptu) that would work well with Prevaricator & an equivoque routine?
Daniel
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monello74
Veteran user
400 Posts
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Posted: Feb 4, 2010 1:55pm
Hi Daniel,
I perform currently the ESP rountine and my friend said me that I use the same
idea of the Prevaricator. I don't know the real secret of Prevaricator. My effect is this:
I show 5 ESP cards and 5 persons select a symbol without I can see.
At this point I just ask everyone to answer mentally if they have the Cross when I ask them and the mental answer must be 'NO'. I repeat the same procedure with the other 4 symbols. After my procedure, I know who has the Cross, the Square, etc etc.
My friend said me that I use the same concept of the Prevaricator and if the method is the same, I am very happy to share this routine with everyone who have the Prevaricator.
Bye
Tommy.
It's a Miracle...
For ACAAN/OP effects:
(Mental Magic)
http://sites.google.com/site/m2mmagictrick
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dbain
New user
51 Posts
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Posted: Feb 5, 2010 5:39pm
Tommy,
I don't know if the idea is the same as Prevaricator, but the routine is far different.
The point behind Prevaricator is that the performer is openly stating that he will observe audience reactions and recognize who is lying.
By their nature, use of ESP cards could imply that you are using psychic powers. I'm not sure I understand what the premise is of your routine.
Cheers,
Daniel
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monello74
Veteran user
400 Posts
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Posted: Feb 5, 2010 7:19pm
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On 2010-02-05 17:39, dbain wrote:
Tommy,
I don't know if the idea is the same as Prevaricator, but the routine is far different.
The point behind Prevaricator is that the performer is openly stating that he will observe audience reactions and recognize who is lying.
By their nature, use of ESP cards could imply that you are using psychic powers. I'm not sure I understand what the premise is of your routine.
Cheers,
Daniel
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Try to read my private message.
Bye
Tommy.
It's a Miracle...
For ACAAN/OP effects:
(Mental Magic)
http://sites.google.com/site/m2mmagictrick
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Patrick Redford
Inner circle
Michigan
1467 Posts
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Posted: Feb 6, 2010 4:03pm
I'd be happy to talk to you via the PM button as well, though I agree that there are better methods for guessing thought of ESP symbols. Rick Maue has a fantastic method called Imagine that would work very well.
Now Available for video download: Description - an Organic Word Divination www.patrickredford.com
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muse
Special user
Scotland
896 Posts
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Posted: Mar 13, 2010 3:58pm
I am a very definite amateur, but keen reader of all things 'magical', practical and theoretical. I bought the 'Prevaricator' dvd a few months ago, and I enjoyed it and ran through it a good few times.
Last night, I was with a few family members and I did a couple of card tricks, as they are genuinely interested and make a good audience. After I'd done the tricks, completely unprompted, my 12 year old son told me to look away, and when I turned back, he said that he'd rolled up ball of paper and that either he or one of two other people had it in a hand behind their back, and asked me to say who had it and in which hand. He has no knowledge of Prevaricator (unless Patrick Redford has a secret marketing department in UK schools, but I've ruled that explanation out for now), or even that I'd seen any such thing.
The outcome was that I slipped straight into the Prevaricator methods, and I nailed it. I was really pleased to find that the tools taught were just right there in my mind when I needed them in an impromptu setting. It really made the perfect ending to the evening, it was fun and entertaining (and not just for me!) and a little bit spooky at the same time.
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Patrick Redford
Inner circle
Michigan
1467 Posts
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Posted: Mar 16, 2010 12:48pm
Muse - Thanks for sharing this!
I'm pleased that the project has gone to work for you and that you're having fun with it.
Now Available for video download: Description - an Organic Word Divination www.patrickredford.com
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JCheng
Loyal user
285 Posts
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Posted: Jun 20, 2010 1:50pm
Hi, I have some questions:
Does this DVD teach you how to do the effect but with only one espectator?
I mean, you guess in which hand is the coin (righ or left).
If not, where can I learn this effect(impromptu version)?
And what's the exact name of the effect?
Thanks.
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