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SpAgHeTtI
Regular user
167 Posts
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Posted: Oct 28, 2005 7:46am
Perhaps I'm asking too much......It's possible to see a video demo?
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Patrick Redford
Inner circle
Michigan
1474 Posts
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Posted: Nov 1, 2005 3:35pm
I decided not to release a video on this. The reason is not because you'll catch the method (it's impossible to figure out no matter how many times one watches it), but because I simply don't have the time to do so. Also, folks seem to be grabbing onto this without needing to see a video. The effect is direct and plays as described. A video would not take away or enhance Prevaricator either way.
Suhbreal - Not having to keep track of the "logic" in one's head is indeed one of the attractive qualities of Prevaricator. Not only is Prevaricator more deceptive but it’s easier to perform - overall a nice package deal. I'm pleased to hear you're getting good use out of this.
-Patrick Redford
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Winnes
Veteran user
315 Posts
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Posted: Nov 1, 2005 4:02pm
There really is no need to see a video - the effect is EXACTLY as described - what you would see is what you read here.
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Waters
Inner circle
2250 Posts
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Posted: Nov 1, 2005 9:35pm
Patrick,
I just received mine in the mail. Thanks for the quick ship. I look forward to getting some of your other books. Thanks Patrick!
Everyone,
You will love this. I have just reread it, now I can't wait to try this. You really do get what you hope for with this routine. I can hardly believe it. I am dying for a chance to try this soon.
Sean
www.watersmindworks.com
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mrfluffy
Loyal user
251 Posts
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Posted: Nov 2, 2005 4:37am
Died on my arse on stage on Saturday trying this 
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GusVanNostrum
Loyal user
With automatic writing I've produced
256 Posts
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Posted: Nov 2, 2005 5:14am
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On 2005-11-02 04:37, mrfluffy wrote:
Died on my arse on stage on Saturday trying this
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Care to elaborate?
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Ben Blau
Loyal user
237 Posts
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Posted: Nov 2, 2005 10:51am
Why would you try it for the first time on stage? Just like anything else, it will require practice and study.
Ben Blau
Ben Blau
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mrfluffy
Loyal user
251 Posts
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Posted: Nov 3, 2005 11:13am
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On 2005-11-02 10:51, Ben Blau wrote:
Why would you try it for the first time on stage? Just like anything else, it will require practice and study.
Ben Blau
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true......but how would you pratice it.
Patrick mentions about performing in informal situations, but most of the method - by my understanding - involves the audience and specs caring about the outcome. So how can I practice this in my bedroom.
I have the same problem with Jermay's "Touching on Hoy", no way to practice that other than in performance
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suhbreal
New user
Pittsburgh, PA
87 Posts
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Posted: Nov 3, 2005 12:20pm
I'd suggest not setting up such strict performance conditions for yourself.
I don't do any type of 'official' performance and I can't foresee ever running out of opportunities to use or practice this effect. do it before something that is more surefire for you and frame it as trying to 'callibrate' with the spectators for what is to come. if you fail, so what? now you 'know how they think' and then you can go ahead and melt thier brains with whatever.
also, maybe, change your patter on something else you do to make it infer that you are reading their body language. offer a demonstration and go into prevaricator. at his point, you've already proven yourself with the other effects and you can simply play it off as that they are getting good at masking thier thoughts if you fail. no biggie.
obviously it is important to have confidence in anything you do but I've found great value in adapting my presentations around something I'm completely prepared to fail on. assume you are going to fail in these instances and if you do, so be it.afterall, I'm reading body language and trying to influence them, it's not like I'm a magician or something 
I'm a musician and as a result I'm frequently in situations where I'm surrounded by complete strangers who are willing to talk to me. in less friendly environments, it's not difficult to interject something into the conversation that opens up the potential of doing an effect.
mainly, just don't put yourself so on the spot. let it breathe a little.
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Leon Dowd
New user
2 Posts
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Posted: Nov 3, 2005 5:48pm
Hmm.. I wouldnt 'assume I was going to fail', but assume I am going to succeed. If I don't, well these things happen.. everybody makes mistakes...
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suhbreal
New user
Pittsburgh, PA
87 Posts
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Posted: Nov 3, 2005 7:45pm
What I was suggesting that in certain circumstances you can take all of the pressure off of yourself by just being resigned to failure. There are actually some great thoughts on this in Kentons 'Mindreading', it's a philosophy that I think has really helped me to be confident in performing certain things that I'm not truly confident of. obviously you wouldn't want to do this throughout a performance but in the spirit of throwing an effect in for 'practice' I think it could be very helpful. As we are so concerned about playing with others perceptions, I think some of us forget how much fun it can be to play with our own. I figure that if I'm not having fun then how should I expect anybody else to?
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Roki
Special user
London
641 Posts
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Posted: Nov 3, 2005 9:16pm
Just recieved it . Thanks for the rapid shipping to the U.K. with no extra fee .
The idea is devious and delightful . I really must master the necessary skills .
Having a good out is a great idea particularly while you are gaining the necessary calibration skills .
Both Stephen Long and Patrick have mentioned a third question that would make it a back up logical certaity . But what would that question be ? I cannot think of one that would work under the conditions set up. You cannot use banacheks for this .
Any chance of a PM if someone knows as this would make this effect perfect !
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Ben Blau
Loyal user
237 Posts
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Posted: Nov 3, 2005 10:20pm
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On 2005-11-03 11:13, mrfluffy wrote:
true......but how would you pratice it.
Patrick mentions about performing in informal situations, but most of the method - by my understanding - involves the audience and specs caring about the outcome. So how can I practice this in my bedroom.
I have the same problem with Jermay's "Touching on Hoy", no way to practice that other than in performance
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If you don't perform for smaller audiences in close quarters, then it would be difficult to practice. I personally wouldn't consider performing it for a large audience until I've had the opportunity to get comfortable with the method. The only way I can think of to do this is in a close-up, informal setting.
Ben Blau
Ben Blau
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Patrick Redford
Inner circle
Michigan
1474 Posts
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Posted: Nov 5, 2005 11:13pm
Roki,
Banachek's second question will work as a fall-back if one wishes to go this route. If you have specific questions on why or how this would work simply email or send me a PM.
-Patrick
Posted: Nov 6, 2005 1:27am
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Mrfluffy,
I think you'll find that if you re-read the booklet that there is a particular fail safe for the stage performance that will keep you from "falling on your arse". Like anything, one should practice this a bit to get a feel for it before performing "without a net". If you have any questions feel free to message me privately.
-Patrick
Now Available for video download: Description - an Organic Word Divination www.patrickredford.com
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mrfluffy
Loyal user
251 Posts
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Posted: Nov 6, 2005 4:04pm
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On 2005-11-06 01:27, Patrick Redford wrote:
Mrfluffy,
I think you'll find that if you re-read the booklet that there is a particular fail safe for the stage performance that will keep you from "falling on your arse". Like anything, one should practice this a bit to get a feel for it before performing "without a net". If you have any questions feel free to message me privately.
-Patrick
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Patrick,
I looked at the "outs" but they weren't for me.
Wasn't knocking the effect in any way, just not sure how I'm gonna practice
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Patrick Redford
Inner circle
Michigan
1474 Posts
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Posted: Nov 8, 2005 2:58pm
As discussed in the booklet - I tend to perform this without a net as well - however, when I first began I didn't. I always had that failsafe and this helped me succeed, even though I never had to use it. It helped me believe more in the effect. Believing is a large part of making Prevaricator a reality. You'd be amazed how much having one of the failsafes at hand will help you - even if you do this only when practicing. To practice, bring this around friends and other folks you feel comfortable around. This was all outlined in the booklet. Try it there first. Perhaps once you get the feel for it you can take it out to one of your local haunts. There are plenty of options to practice this just waiting for you. I'm pleased you like the effect and find interest in it. At some point, it will "click" and you'll get it. You may find that when you're failing you'll fail consistently upon repeat. I suggest only doing this socially. It brings up an interesting idea that reinforces that you're still correctly reading their body language you're just reading it wrong. The fact that one is consistently wrong still will make Prevaricator interesting and a success. I hope this helps in your adventures with Prevaricator.
-Patrick Redford
Now Available for video download: Description - an Organic Word Divination www.patrickredford.com
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suhbreal
New user
Pittsburgh, PA
87 Posts
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Posted: Nov 8, 2005 8:00pm
Hey Patrick,
How about an update on Vicissitude? when can we expect it? It's a subject that I was already developing an interest in and I was thrilled to see that you were putting something out on it. definitely looking forward to it already.
Ryan
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Patrick Redford
Inner circle
Michigan
1474 Posts
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Posted: Nov 11, 2005 1:29pm
At this point a scheduled release date is unknown. I'm currently waiting on a few additions from other contributors. It's definitely an interesting work. I'm very excited by it, indeed. I have also been struggling with the print format. Finding a print format that can hold this type of work has been rather difficult. Some of the pages overlap - while this isn't necessary it does make the book more of a novelty. The book itself has various hidden Ambigrams throughout.
-Patrick
Now Available for video download: Description - an Organic Word Divination www.patrickredford.com
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caigy
Special user
England
638 Posts
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Posted: Nov 27, 2005 7:11pm
I received my copy of Prevaricator last week, and wow does it work! After the initial read through I had my doubts, but eight demonstrations later and with a 100% hit rate I am totally chuffed. My intension is to disguise this routine as a way of choosing one suitable participant from my two volunteers. In the unlikely event of me missing the mark, I won't need any 'outs', because I haven't got it wrong!... either one or both of my volunteers simply were not suitable. The methodology and execution of Prevaricator is pure genius. Although Prevaricator is quite expensive, it is worth every penny!.. In fact now that I have paid for and received my copy, I would say it is worth three times the price! After experiencing the reactions to Prevaricator, I am keen to look at some of the other material from the mind of Mr.Redford and would appreciate any views.
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Xiqual
Inner circle
Upper left quadrant
3815 Posts
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Posted: Nov 27, 2005 7:24pm
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On 2005-11-03 19:45, suhbreal wrote:
What I was suggesting that in certain circumstances you can take all of the pressure off of yourself by just being resigned to failure. |
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If you are a being paid to perform a show, that resignation is not acceptable.
If the failure is a setup for something yes, but just shrugging your shoulders on stage and saying "Oh well, I guess it's not going to work." is a bit ridiculous.
There are so many great effects out there, why take these chances?
Derren Brown talks about being "ruthless" in choosing our effects. I agree completely.
Just my opinion,
James Linn
Still with the Chinese circus
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suhbreal
New user
Pittsburgh, PA
87 Posts
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Posted: Nov 28, 2005 1:46pm
James, I'm not a 'paid' performer and don't ever plan to be. my post was more along the lines of rehearsing the effect in impromptu/casual situations. however, I have been performing in front of larger 'audiences' as of late and find it hard to accept that a 'failure' can't be reframed in a such a way as to make it appear natural/intentional/nonexistent/playful/realistic or any other scenario that you can dream up. just because you personally are resigned to failure doesn't mean that the audience has to be aware of that. it's all a bunch of mind games and I find that I have a lot more fun if I play them with myself as well. taking chances is a great way to learn and discover things. none of the effects that I've been using would be nearly as effective, or have developed to their present state if I hadn't taken chances at some point. I would have to surmise that this kind of development would be particularly important to someone that was looking to make a buck doing it.
especially with this particular effect! I'm on the same page with caigy a couple of posts back. I've been using it as a spectator selection tool. get it right a couple of times and if at any point I'm not completely sure, instead of completing the effect I just point at one of the spectators and say "you're good, I think I'm going to use you for this". you've already proven that you can 'read their body language' and it appears that you were just using it to see who could bluff better. it's a win win situation and it matters not at all if you fail. that's what I was doing to practice the effect and I now nearly always end it this way irregardless of whether I think I'll foul it up or not because it just seems to flow smoothly into anything else that I might want to do.
also an opinion,
Ryan
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PsiDroid
Inner circle
1996 Posts
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Posted: Nov 28, 2005 2:47pm
Just curious, Kennedy and Mr.Tait. Are Prevaricator and Tell Tale Factor working on the same principles?
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Patrick Redford
Inner circle
Michigan
1474 Posts
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Posted: Nov 28, 2005 7:26pm
Prevaricator, when done properly, will not allow the performer to fail.
PsiDroid,
They are light years apart. There is absolutely no cheating of any of the parties involved. The effect plays for everyone in the same manor.
-Patrick
Now Available for video download: Description - an Organic Word Divination www.patrickredford.com
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Xiqual
Inner circle
Upper left quadrant
3815 Posts
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Posted: Nov 28, 2005 7:39pm
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On 2005-11-28 19:26, Patrick Redford wrote:
Prevaricator, when done properly, will not allow the performer to fail.
-Patrick
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This is such a "sleight of mouth" thing to say. Please define "properly"
James
Still with the Chinese circus
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Patrick Redford
Inner circle
Michigan
1474 Posts
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Posted: Nov 28, 2005 8:11pm
James,
It wasn't intended to be sleight of mouth. As you know my work revolves around the use of bold lies. This, I assure you, wasn't one of them. Everything is outlined in the book that makes this effect nearly impossible to fail at. I say nearly only because I'm not willing to rely on any method 100% of the time. Any method, be it psychological or one that makes use of a gimmick/electronic device, will fail at one point or another. (If you’re curious, this effect does not rely on an electronic device) There are built in fail safes that allow Prevaricator to be presented without the risk of falling.
I hope this answers your question more clearly.
Kindest Regards,
Patrick
Now Available for video download: Description - an Organic Word Divination www.patrickredford.com
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Xiqual
Inner circle
Upper left quadrant
3815 Posts
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Posted: Nov 28, 2005 11:02pm
Thank you for your candor, George. It seemed as though it was not a sure thing.
Good luck,
James
Still with the Chinese circus
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tincture
Special user
534 Posts
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Posted: Nov 29, 2005 11:36am
I've been going back and forth on this for a while. All of these people say it’s great. There isn't a bad review. That makes me nervous. I was waiting for a video demo, but it looks like that's not going to happen. So are you saying there is a gimmick involved? If so how is this impromptu then? I'm sorry but I just don't believe this effect to be possible as the "back of the tin" says it is. Where's the discrepancy?
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Ben Blau
Loyal user
237 Posts
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Posted: Nov 29, 2005 12:23pm
Tincture:
There's no gimmick. The effect works as described. If you were to see a video demo, it would look exactly like the description.
It sounds like you're interested, so why not buy the manuscript?
Ben Blau
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paisa23
Inner circle
7 years no smoking. And counting
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Posted: Nov 29, 2005 12:27pm
How many are left I wonder? I knew there where only a few a couple pages back.
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suhbreal
New user
Pittsburgh, PA
87 Posts
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Posted: Nov 29, 2005 12:59pm
Tincture: this definitely falls into the small but elite group of purchases I've made that were EXACTLY as described.
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