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inidyls
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Posted: Nov 21, 2005 10:52pm
Dennis you make my point , raise the fee so only serious magicians go.
And I too agree with you on the auction to display the auction lots before hand.
I don't want any one to take me wrong about super sunday it just seems less work is going into it every year.
You can make the auction better
you can make the close up acts more organized so every one can see
you can put more time in finding better acts even if you have to raise the price.
and maybe switch up the dealers, I know politics is involved but at least get someone new in once in a while.
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abra
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Posted: Nov 22, 2005 12:07am
INIDYLS, I don’t know if you were having a bad day and decided to go to Bob Littles and nit pick about everything that went on their but I do believe your out of place on some of your comments. I will agree that the items for the auction should be on display and hour before so people can have a look at what they might want to bid on this would speed it up a little and give everyone a chance to sell their lot. What I don’t like was your comment about the lecture give him a break it was his first time in front of magicians at least he had the nerve to get up there and do it, he has to get his start somewhere, I am sure he will improve as time goes on.
I don’t think the cake was stale I thought it was rather good, as far as the Champagne goes not bad, I really don’t think the cake and Champagne is an issue here. Now as far as the acts go my Wife and I thought they were all very good and I know for a fact Mike tries his hardest to bring good acts to Bob’s but he also gives some acts a little break into the Convention for a little exposure.
I do believe the Twelve year old Nelson girl was good how you could say the acts were bad so I guess Chris Capehart is horrible too, yes Bob could use a change in dealers and I will agree with you on that.
As far as the $30 price tag goes it was money well spent! For a day out with friends who I don’t get much time to see because I am always on the road. And to just enjoy the Convention all together. This is my comments and opinion.
Magically
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Dennis Michael
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Atco, NJ
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Posted: Nov 22, 2005 7:03am
By the way, Bob is in his late seventies, enjoy Bob's Super Sundays while they are around, becasue when the time comes, they surely will be missed!
I will cherish even a glass of "Ripple" with Bob, because the "Wild Man's" days are limited! He has a "big heart" and the "wisdom of age". He provides a service to an area with very little magic dealers, a fun time, and Hooters across the street!
The time will come when I will say, "Do you remember those Super Sundays in PA that Bob Little hosted?"
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inidyls
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Posted: Nov 22, 2005 9:31am
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On 2005-11-22 00:07, abra wrote:
INIDYLS, I don’t know if you were having a bad day and decided to go to Bob Littles and nit pick about everything that went on their but I do believe your out of place on some of your comments. I will agree that the items for the auction should be on display and hour before so people can have a look at what they might want to bid on this would speed it up a little and give everyone a chance to sell their lot. What I don’t like was your comment about the lecture give him a break it was his first time in front of magicians at least he had the nerve to get up there and do it, he has to get his start somewhere, I am sure he will improve as time goes on.
I don’t think the cake was stale I thought it was rather good, as far as the Champagne goes not bad, I really don’t think the cake and Champagne is an issue here. Now as far as the acts go my Wife and I thought they were all very good and I know for a fact Mike tries his hardest to bring good acts to Bob’s but he also gives some acts a little break into the Convention for a little exposure.
I do believe the Twelve year old Nelson girl was good how you could say the acts were bad so I guess Chris Capehart is horrible too, yes Bob could use a change in dealers and I will agree with you on that.
As far as the $30 price tag goes it was money well spent! For a day out with friends who I don’t get much time to see because I am always on the road. And to just enjoy the Convention all together. This is my comments and opinion.
Magically
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Abra , You just agreed with me on everything I just said believe it or not.
And I never wrote that Cris Capehart was bad. I think he's a great performer, my statement is I would rather see two or three very good acts instead of five acts which only 1 or 2 are reasonable/or mediocre.
and for the lecture if he is a amateur at lectures than he should be doing them for free, I pay to to see a good professional lecture. Again this is my whole point , Bobs convention is getting very weak.
Now like Dennis said he doesn't care who the performers are he just wants to meet and greet, that's fine,I'm all for that if you lower the price.
Everybody here just posted there displeasure with some part of the convention, all I'm saying is take that feedback and bring back the convention it used to be.
It's funny how everybody is agreeing with my statement but can't admit Super Sunday is going down hill.
Well since I'm on this kick right now I'll tell you what else I told Bob about the auction, What other auction do you go to where the auctioneer bids on an item to raise the price or even buy it for himself. Someone there said look at how hard hank works at Bobs auction, Does that mean the auction is great?
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Steve Oxford
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Churchville,MD.
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Posted: Nov 22, 2005 4:25pm
I happen to know three different people who put on conventions, and all work very hard at making them attractive to the majority.
Sure there are some people who will not like one thing or another, but overall, the majority of the people will get a rounded convention, and that is the point.
If someone was to put on a convention with just say three big name close up guys, rent a room, advertise, etc. you better believe that your attendance price would be closer to $100 than $30. Now the problem with that is that magicians in general will not spend that kind of money, some will, but we are back to that work majority, and they will not.
Bob Little has a great one day convention for the price, and I will agree that sometimes some are better than others, but I'm like Dennis, I go to hang out with friends. To me $30 is not that bad, I would spend that on a date for movie tickets and popcorn and soda, so I can hang with it.
Keith Culver put on a great one day convention up in northern pennsylvania and brought in name people, and charged a low price, but guess what happened? he lost money each time, because there were not enough people to support it.
Martini runs a three day convention that has also lost money in the past, then he sought out sponsorship, and turned the whole thing around. The difference there was that he realized that there were not enough clowns to support a clown convention, and yet not enough magicians to support a magic convention, so he combined all entertainers and made it a variety entertainers convention. I have seen some really great acts there, just as I have in the past at Bob Little Super Sunday and keith Culver Magic Day.
But one thing is for sure, just as we are seeing magic shops closing and becomming a thing of the past, we will soon see conventions go that same route if they are not supported.
While this is just my two cents, I tossed it in since I did not make it to Bob Little's this time, but I made the one before and it was worth every penny. We can find fault with anything if we look hard enough, but once these conventions are gone, then what will we do????????
S.
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inidyls
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NYC
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Posted: Nov 22, 2005 4:44pm
Again, I agree $30 isn't bad for magicians to get together to swap stories but I'm talking about the overall convention with the activities and performances is going downhill, and on top of that you all agreed , you just didn't say it in the same terms I did. All I'm saying is be honest and stop playing politics.
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nostrings
Loyal user
Newport News, VA
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Posted: Nov 22, 2005 5:40pm
I have to disagree with inidyls. I think the the more laid back way in which bob does things works better. I just attended metro magid two weeks ago and while it was great the only thing I didn't like is that they didn't foster a lot of sessioning and socializing, where as Bob does and it turned out great.
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Dennis Michael
Inner circle
Atco, NJ
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Posted: Nov 22, 2005 10:23pm
The real question is "Why does one go to Bob Little's Super Sunday?
Is it for the Auction? Is it for the wine and chocolet? Is it to meet the dealers? Is it for the evening show? Is it to get away from the family? Is it to socialize with other magicians in the area? Is it to buy more magic we really don't need? Is it to say, I can produce a better Super Sunday? Is it to compare it with MAES, IBM, SAM, LV Shows, FISM, or other conventions?
What ever reason one goes, that's a personal choice. For years, when Bob was asked who is on the show, his typical response was, "Gee, golly...I don't know, go ask Mike Miller?" It really didn't matter to most of the members at IBM 6, IBM 165, & SAM4. We knew we were going just because he showed up at most every one of our club meetings. Always spoke kind words just about everyone, would do anything for anyone of us if asked. Supported and entertained us all. Many of us go JUST BECAUSE...
It's not about politics, it's not about whos on the show, it about BOB LITTLE. So many of us can list things Bob has done for use, on a personal level and professional level.
I'm absolutely sure, if you don't like Bob Little's Super Sunday, you will not be missed by the many who do. Bob has so many friends that he will still pack them in with his one-day convention, with the auction, non-competing dealers, social hour, dealer show, a lecture or two, and the evening stage show to round out a fun day with friends.
If quality shows is what you want, go to FISM. If its the Dealers go to LV. If its for friends being with friends, local magicians being with local magicians, well one make their decisions, based on what is meaningful to them.
I'll be there June 25th, 2006, and I don't care who is lecturing or who is on the show! If it's $30 or $50, it doesn't matter. One thing is absolute, I will have a good time and enjoy myself. Super Sunday is NOT going down hill, so please don't categorize me into that group.
PS...I pay $15 for a hair cut, $20 at the movies, $25-$35 for a steak dinner, $60-$90 to fill my van with gas, $30 for flowers for my wife, so Super Sunday for an all day event for $30 is really cheap for the 12 hours of enjoyment I receive. It's not perfect and neither am I
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Dennis Michael
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Posted: Nov 22, 2005 11:06pm
Opps... Not June 20th but June 25th, 2006.
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nums
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Posted: Nov 22, 2005 11:44pm
Inidyls, I tried a convention once and what a FLOP I had. 8 People in attendance and without the help of a few good friends, 1) Martini 2) Buck Clayton 3) Paul Trattner 4) Helene Schad and my wife I would have lost my A&& and if you knew me I do not have any to spare (stomache on the other hand is another story). Setting up a convention is not the easiest thing in the world to do and the only thing I can say to you is "WALK A MILE IN THEIR SHOES" .
I attend Martini's FUNARAMA and he is working prior to the current years convention for the following years. On many of the calls we have I hear behind the scenes stuff about acts that wont commit a year in advance as they have a quote out to a cruise ship or Branson. They want way to much money for what they do. but beacase people only see the income not the outgo they see much, money but in the end those who put on these events do it more to further magic than thier pocket book.
Even if you look that they make (just a number here) $5000.00 for the weekend it took them all year to make it.
My suggestion to you Inidyls, Start up your own and GOOD LUCK
NUMS
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inidyls
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Posted: Nov 23, 2005 8:23am
You guys crack me up, I never said it doesn't take hard work or Bob isn't a nice guy. So please don't put words in my mouth.
And Dennis please don't insult my intelligence and say there is no politics involved with super sunday or any other convention. I received 7 pm's on this post on either the politics or the convention going down hill.
And Dennis, Your comment about If I don't like Bob Little's I won't be missed, this also works the other way that's why the attendance is getting lower and lower every year, and if you can't see that your blind. Bob doesn't pack them in like he used too.
Again I love Bob like the next guy, he helped me out in numerous ways, but the truth is the truth. And I also told him my dislikes about the show And with my likes.
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Dennis Michael
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Atco, NJ
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Posted: Nov 23, 2005 9:21am
Inidyls, Please enlighten me on the Politics, I must say I am naive on this. If you don't want to post it please PM me.
My comment about not attending was not directed at you, it applies to any convention. Quite simply, if one is not having a good time, then why does one go? If it has been going down hill, then why bother going? Most of the time, the attendees do not really know who is going to be the lecturer or in the show.
This was my first convention since Bob moved from the Hatboro area, and I don't see a decline in the numbers. Most of the seats were full, the room was longer, most of my friends that I see at every one of these conventions were there. Yes, I was asked why I missed the others and I missed because of other committments.
At any convention, based on the time of the year a 10% increase or decline in attendance is not an indication of success or failure.
A fact is every convention, there are likes and dislikes. If I wanted to, I could say since there was no children magic presented and I am not a finger flicker, I could look at this convention from that stand point and say it doesn't meet my needs.
The truth is on perspective, from my perspective, I had a blast, I spent about $120, and had lots of discussions on children magic, cool new magic, and mingled with lots of friends.
It would be a sad day, if Bob said, "I'm not going to run anymore conventions." So many would miss them.
I'm not one for personal attacks, and if you took it that way, I apoligize. What I do see is a difference in how one views this convention. It's the same with books, routines, show types, etc.
Dennis
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ryansmagic
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Posted: Nov 24, 2005 9:14am
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On 2005-11-22 23:44, nums wrote:
My suggestion to you Inidyls, Start up your own and GOOD LUCK
NUMS
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I did not go to this convention, I am just reading this thread and laughing....
that's a good quote. It's like saying I bought a car and did not like it, so maybe I should just try to make one myself and see if it is better.
Relax if Inidyls has a comment about how HE thinks the convention went who cares its his opinion, and you know what they say about opinion's......
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MattWayne
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Posted: Nov 25, 2005 3:03pm
People have been saying that there is politics in setting up conventions- how about politics in this post and topic?
Wow gang- common now. He said she said. Playing a game of cat and mouse...
Personally I'd go as far to say that the way this topic has gone really nags at me and it's rather feeble of some on here to throw remarks out like they have been. Bob is a great guy. Older than he used to be- it happens. He didn't have to have this convention again. He doesn't have to continue it. Good friends tell me that
it won't continue much longer.
And the comments about Mike Miller- ha, gang there couldn't be a nicer guy out there! I thought that pointing fingers was rather looked down upon and considered childish. Yes? No? It's not his fault he has the budget that he does. And speaking as a performer that has been paid by him before- heck I was happy.
I was happy just to be there. I only went to see friends and meet some new ones. Where else can you find Den and Kyle Peron in the same room?!!
If this is the way adults act wow then I'd rather be ten again. Disappointing...
best regards (as always),
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Dave Scribner
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Posted: Nov 29, 2005 1:13pm
Well let's see. For $30, you make one trip to see 9 dealers, have a snack, participate in a 3 hour auction, see old friends and meet new ones and watch a 2-3 hour show. This year we even got an added benefit of a close up forum. That sounds like a pretty good deal to me.
Like Matt, speaking as a previous performer, I have no complaints. There aren't many of these one day conventions around any more and we really should enjoy as much as we can while we can.
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