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Posted: Jan 17, 2006 7:26pm
In your opinion what is the best way to vanish a coin and show your hands completly empty at the end?
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Larry Barnowsky
Inner circle
Cooperstown, NY where bats are made from
3906 Posts
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Posted: Jan 17, 2006 9:52pm
By completely empty, do you mean that they appear empty or that the coin is actually somewhere else?
For me, it would be my retention vanish (URV) and either ditching the coin (sl---ing, etc.) or hiding it through acquitments.
Some like the Messiah Vanish which Sankey has popularized
Using a gaff can produce amazing results: Jeff Stewarts NUSINUD, or Cornelius' Fickled Nickel
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rutabaga
Inner circle
Toronto, Canada
1273 Posts
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Posted: Jan 17, 2006 10:05pm
I vote for the old chestnut of retention vanish followed by rubbing the coin into your upraised elbow till it's gone. Just don't move your head! ;-)
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Magiguy
Inner circle
Seattle, WA
4562 Posts
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Posted: Jan 17, 2006 10:51pm
Tough to pick a "best" or even a favorite (so many good ones to choose from) but lately I've been revisiting some of David Williamson's older material and I really like "The Wonderful Coin Vanish" and also "The Striking Vanish." You'll need to clean yourself up at the end, but he gives some great ideas for this and when all is said and done you should be able to show both hands empty. I like Larry's work as well. You should check out his web site.
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Mb217
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Posted: Jan 17, 2006 11:09pm
Hey, that vanish of the last coin Godhandz does in his new "Flash Coins Re-Lit" vid posted here is just beautiful, very nicely done and wonderfully creative. You also can't beat Mickey Silver's SUV. He can do some awesome things with it. Quite remarkable in a vid or in person!
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Paul Chosse
V.I.P.
1955 - 2010
2389 Posts
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Posted: Jan 18, 2006 12:11am
In Ellison Poland's "Wonderful Routines of Magic", in the "Addenum..." I think, there is a "One Coin Routine" that finishes with a complete vanish. I have no idea if this fits into your plans, but the routine looks like this: You show both hands empty and put one hand in your pocket. With the other hand you reach out in the air and grab. When you open your hand there is a coin, (a half dollar, for instance..). You close your hand on the coin, blow on it, and when you open your hand the coin has changed to an English Penny. You repeat the action and the coin changes back to a half. One more time, and the coin vanishes completely! So, a one-handed, one-coin, routine - production, changes, and vanish - worth a look...
Best, PSC
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Dynamike
Eternal Order
20654 Posts
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Posted: Jan 18, 2006 2:42am
I first thought it was the retention pass. When I saw Mickey Silver video it convinced me his method is better.
Dynamike
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Simon Bakker
Special user
the Netherlands
587 Posts
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Posted: Jan 18, 2006 3:29am
A good ol retention vanish, followed by a Ramsey and kaps subtelty works for me. I never liked the messiah vanish, it looks kinda fishy to me.
I use to show my hands empty by using the wiped clean (david stone method), but I stopped doing that. It has nothing to with being natural in my opinion.
A spider vanish works oke for me as well.
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Jonathan P.
Inner circle
Belgium
1478 Posts
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Posted: Jan 18, 2006 4:33am
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On 2006-01-17 23:09, Mb217 wrote:
Hey, that vanish of the last coin Godhandz does in his new "Flash Coins Re-Lit" vid posted here is just beautiful, |
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For info, it is a Chad Long's vanish. Which is indeed beautiful.
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otter606
New user
Scotland
90 Posts
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Posted: Jan 18, 2006 4:40am
I like the Himber vanish - you really do see the coin go into the other hand.
Then an acquitment or la****g if seated.
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Mike Wild
Inner circle
NY, PA, TX, MA, FL, NC
1292 Posts
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Posted: Jan 18, 2006 6:50am
The best coin vanish with appearance of empty hands at completion is, without doubt or fear of contridiction, the one that works best for you 
Some nights a simpe ROV vanish works best, some nights another method is needed. Whatever you feel comfortable with, and works with your style and performance speed is the best one for you.
Best,
Mike
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Cpontz
Special user
Daupin PA
545 Posts
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Posted: Jan 18, 2006 7:04am
Slydini's method - but you have to be sitting at a table. It looks like pure magic.
Craig
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Skarn
New user
54 Posts
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Posted: Jan 18, 2006 9:31am
Mike makes a very good point. The situation will dictate.
But, with that said, the one vanish that I love where you truly end clean (hands empty), is Revolution.
Skarn
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rutabaga
Inner circle
Toronto, Canada
1273 Posts
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Posted: Jan 18, 2006 9:40am
Skarn,Revolution IS very clean, but to illustrate Mike's point, I can't get away with it easily. Having my hands so close to my body isn't part of my natural body language, and I feel it would certainly give me away. I've just looked at Platt's vanish from another thread - it's right up there. Check it out if you haven't already.
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Skarn
New user
54 Posts
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Posted: Jan 18, 2006 10:37am
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On 2006-01-18 09:40, rutabaga wrote:
Skarn,Revolution IS very clean, but to illustrate Mike's point, I can't get away with it easily. Having my hands so close to my body isn't part of my natural body language, and I feel it would certainly give me away. I've just looked at Platt's vanish from another thread - it's right up there. Check it out if you haven't already.
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Rutabaga,
I know exactly what you mean. I too felt this way....that is until I actually performed it for people. In your own words you say "I feel it would certainly give me away...". Again, I felt this way too, but just try it! As unnatural as you think it is (and I'm not denying that), I have NEVER been caught doing it and have done it MANY times.
Skarn
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Rindfleisch
Elite user
New Jersey
440 Posts
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Posted: Jan 18, 2006 11:06am
I like the NUSINUD first time I saw it I was fooled bad!!!
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ChristopherD
New user
St. Louis
69 Posts
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Posted: Jan 18, 2006 1:10pm
Hey guys I'm very pleased I came accross this thread. I have a new one coin and silk routine that I would love to end with a bare hand vanish. I was just trying to make a list of different methods I knew.
With out giving away method, where can I see some discriptions or clips of some of the moves your talking about? Mickey Silver? NUSINUD? Where can I learn more?
--Chris
Christopher David
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Larry Barnowsky
Inner circle
Cooperstown, NY where bats are made from
3906 Posts
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Posted: Jan 18, 2006 1:33pm
Chris, I PMed you with some info.
Larry
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Jonathan Townsend
Eternal Order
Ossining, NY
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Posted: Jan 18, 2006 1:36pm
Is Now U C it Now U Don't still available?
The basic idea is not new, however the video and booklet discuss some intriguing ideas. Something worth exploring IMHO.
Shane Wiker has a short video clip of Mickey in action on his site.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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ChristopherD
New user
St. Louis
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Posted: Jan 18, 2006 3:25pm
Great...
Thanks guys... I'll check it out.
Christopher David
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Eric Jones
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Posted: Jan 18, 2006 3:33pm
I saw a guy vanish a coin completely using the cloth from his sleeve, a Hoo Coin and a magic wand. It fooled the hell out of me the first time he did it but the guy wouldn't give me a reference as to where I could find the vanish. Any help on the reference would be appreciated.....
I thought this was a great way to completely vanish a coin and reproduce it..
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John Pezzullo
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Sydney AUSTRALIA
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Posted: Jan 19, 2006 7:41am
From Michael Ammar's "The Topit Book":
THE GESTURE
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"I believe it was in 1978 that I saw Fred Kaps lecture in Washington DC. During his lecture Mr. Kaps made a coin completely vanish in such a way that I was left with no possible clue. That was real magic, and it was the kind of magic that I wanted to do."
I saw Michael Ammar peform this vanish at a lecture many years ago. It's the most deceptive vanish of a coin that I've ever seen.
"One arrow. One life."
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JokersWild
Loyal user
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Posted: Jan 19, 2006 7:30pm
I do use the Messiah Vanish a lot but to tell you the truth I still havent found a type of coin vanish that I'm looking for.
Im looking for a vanish that I can show both sides of my hands. Sleeves up. With no watch or anything like that on. Not go near any of my pockets. Or near my shirt and also with out using any gimmicks.
If anyone knows a vanish like that send me a PM telling me were I can find it. Thanks.
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Larry Barnowsky
Inner circle
Cooperstown, NY where bats are made from
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Posted: Jan 19, 2006 7:36pm
...and after you PM him, PM me because I'd like to know too.
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Paul Chosse
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Posted: Jan 19, 2006 11:07pm
Check out Slydini - he has a method, though it wasn't originally for coins...
Best, PSC
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rutabaga
Inner circle
Toronto, Canada
1273 Posts
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Posted: Jan 19, 2006 11:10pm
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Im looking for a vanish that I can show both sides of my hands. Sleeves up. With no watch or anything like that on. Not go near any of my pockets. Or near my shirt and also with out using any gimmicks. |
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Like I say, have a look at the old "rub it into your elbow" vanish... just don't move your head after. Or maybe there's a novel reproduction where the coin drops from the sky into someones drink ;-)
Seriously, this trick must be so old everyone should have forgotten it by now. There's a thought, perhaps I could sell it on ellusionist.
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doublelift
Veteran user
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Posted: Jan 22, 2006 9:08am
Threads like this are thought provoking. I dig out old books to see what I missed in Tarbel or Bobo's. Whats old is new again.
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MSD921
Special user
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Posted: Jan 22, 2006 10:10am
The seldom used Haley's Comet vanish......Perform a French drop. Immediately look toward the nearest window and yell - Oh my god, there's Haley's Comet. When all look to see the once in a lifetime vision, casually place the coin in your pocket. Resume the show of your miraculous vanish when attention is back on you. A stunning combination of misdirection with a common sleight.
Resets immediately. Tough to repeat on the same audience.
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Charlie Justice
Inner circle
Mount Dora, Florida
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Posted: Jan 22, 2006 2:55pm
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On 2006-01-18 04:33, Jonathan P. wrote:
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On 2006-01-17 23:09, Mb217 wrote:
Hey, that vanish of the last coin Godhandz does in his new "Flash Coins Re-Lit" vid posted here is just beautiful, |
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For info, it is a Chad Long's vanish. Which is indeed beautiful.
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For info again, Chad Long based that vanish on a Sankey Idea where Sankey would throw a crumbled dollar bill at his open palm that had a coin on it and the coin would end up in the crumbled bill....which is based on Williamson's Striking vanish.
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evolve629
Inner circle
A stack of
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Posted: Jan 22, 2006 3:52pm
Where can I find Jeff Stewarts NUSINUD, or Cornelius' Fickled Nickel?
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