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Robert M
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Posted: Feb 11, 2006 6:13pm
Does anyone here do Derek Dingle's "Sympathetic Cards"? How's the reaction?
Thanks!
Robert
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Roger Kelly
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Posted: Feb 12, 2006 5:23am
Robert,
Is that the similar effect to "Queens Out of Control" where a pack is face up, another pack face down. You take one from the face up and place it on the face down pack and they all turn face up - etc etc?
Also know as Paradigm Shift, I think.
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Cartelli
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Posted: Feb 12, 2006 10:17am
"Sympathetic Cards" is the effect that a shuffled packet of red cards(1 to 10) sorts itself in the same order as a packet of black card (1 to 10).
It could get a great reaction with the proper timing.
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Roger Kelly
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Posted: Feb 12, 2006 10:31am
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On 2006-02-12 10:17, Cartelli wrote:
"Sympathetic Cards" is the effect that a shuffled packet of red cards(1 to 10) sorts itself in the same order as a packet of black card (1 to 10).
It could get a great reaction with the proper timing.
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Ah - I'm not familair with that one.
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nats
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Posted: Feb 12, 2006 10:52am
Robert,
The Sympathetic Cards is Derek Dingle's ultimate handling of Nate Leipzig's Sympathetic 13 as published in The Leipzig Book by Lewis Ganson. In reference to the "reaction" on the back cover of the New Stars of Magic Series 1; No 1 ( I hope you have this publication ) please note the reaction of a roomful of knowledgeable magicians watching a very young Derek Dingle perform the Sympathetic Cards.
Best Regards,
Nats
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JimMaloney
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Posted: Feb 12, 2006 11:56am
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On 2006-02-12 10:52, nats wrote:
The Sympathetic Cards is Derek Dingle's ultimate handling of Nate Leipzig's Sympathetic 13 ... |
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Just a quick correction -- while Nate Leipzig was certainly the one to popularize the effect, it is actually the creation of Herbert Milton.
-Jim
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Robert M
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Posted: Feb 12, 2006 12:28pm
Thanks, nats and Cartelli. Sounds good.
The Sympathetic Cards is also in Derek Dingle's Complete Works (pg. 150) and it's on the Dingle's Delights DVD. I bought a set of "Sympathetic 13" cards from Neil Lester (CardsbyMartin.com) recently, and have been working on this routine. IMO, this is a real classic.
PM'ed you, Roger.
Robert
Posted: Feb 12, 2006 3:17pm
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Interesting. Thanks, Jim.
Robert
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Corey Harris
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Kansas City, MO
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Posted: Feb 12, 2006 5:13pm
Wow, every bodies post seems a bit different. I have a sympathetic cards packet trick. But its more like rogers description. Oh well.
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Roger Kelly
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Posted: Feb 12, 2006 5:18pm
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On 2006-02-12 17:13, Corey Harris wrote:
Wow, every bodies post seems a bit different. I have a sympathetic cards packet trick. But its more like rogers description. Oh well.
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Cheers Corey - I'm not going mad then after all!  more tablets please!
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Robert M
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Posted: Feb 12, 2006 9:00pm
Dingle's version involves two decks - one red and one blue, and two glasses. Thirteen cards (all clubs, for example) are removed from the red deck and arranged in numerical order (A - K) with a joker on the face of the packet. This packet is placed in one of the glasses.
The blue deck is shuffled a couple times and the thirteen club cards are removed and shown to be in shuffled random order. To make things interesting, one card is turned face down in the blue packet, which is placed into the other glass.
The glasses are clinked together, the joker is removed from the red packet, and the face cards of each packet match (10C, for example). The magician then removes one card at a time from each glass simultaneously showing that the order of both packets now match perfectly, including the face down cards.
Robert
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Corey Harris
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Kansas City, MO
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Posted: Feb 12, 2006 11:05pm
In the Sypathetic Cards that I have, its a packet trick, with two packets of 4 blue backed cards. 8 ace of diamonds to be exact, at the end you are left with 3 jokers, and all the aces have different colored backs.
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nats
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Posted: Feb 12, 2006 11:29pm
Corey,
I believe the effect Roger mentioned earlier is in fact "Queens out of Control" by Gerry Griffin. The inspiration for this trick can be traced back to the Sympathetic Aces put out by Emerson and West. These two tricks are definitely packet tricks.I believe that the trick that you have is either one of the two tricks mentioned or perhaps a technical variation thereof.
Best Regards,
Nats
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Kjellstrom
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Sweden
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Posted: Feb 13, 2006 3:42am
A similar routine:
SYMPATHETIC 10 (Joerg Alexander)
This is a set of 9 special printed cards you need to perform this trick. Double backed cards are not included - but these essential gaffs you have yourself, I assume. Bicycle Poker 808, licensed version! No instructions. Similar to Dingle's Sympathetic 13.
http://www.magicbycardmaker.com/pageID_2440170.html
http://www.matskjellstrom.se
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JimMaloney
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Posted: Feb 13, 2006 9:44am
In addition to the gaffed routines named, both Marlo and Wesley James have routines that can be done with a regular deck.
There's also a version in "An Evening With Charlie Miller", though I don't know any details on it.
-Jim
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Tielie
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Posted: Feb 13, 2006 11:20am
Jennings has a version without gaffs. I should learn it one day, it's classic.
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Andrew Loh
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Posted: Sep 20, 2006 10:45am
Sympathetic Cards very strong! I remember the first time I performed to laymen. They love it.
Andrew
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Card-Shark
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Posted: Sep 20, 2006 3:43pm
The routine for the Sympathetic 10 is in the book of the Flicking Fingers, where Joerg Alexander explaines his routine. I do not know who was first, I thought it would be Joerg Alexander. Hmmm. The description is the same. You can get the cards from Cardmaker or also from me. But both as said by Mats without a routine.
Christian
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JimMaloney
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Posted: Sep 20, 2006 4:03pm
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On 2006-09-20 15:43, Card-Shark wrote:
The routine for the Sympathetic 10 is in the book of the Flicking Fingers, where Joerg Alexander explaines his routine. I do not know who was first, I thought it would be Joerg Alexander.
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As I stated above, the effect was created by the British magician Herbert Milton and was first performed in 1920.
-Jim
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spacemonkey
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Posted: Sep 20, 2006 4:13pm
Hi Robert M,
My favorite version of the plot, and the one I find most practical, is Alex Elmsley's Mini-Milton from the Collected Works Volume 1. It's ungaffed and hard to beat.
Bye.
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Paul Chosse
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Posted: Sep 20, 2006 5:44pm
Charlie Miller worked on this plot for years - his solution is in "An Evening With Charlie Miler". Contrary to the opinions offered thus far, Charlie found that the trick did NOT go over in its' original form. In fact, Liepzig found the same thing and gave it up as a regular part of his program. It is certainly a magician fooler, and Derek knew that. I don't recall him doing it in his public performances, though I certainly didn't see him work that much. Maybe someone else knows more about that. The gaffed version is interesting, but it is relatively simple to accomplish the same thing with a regular deck, and is well within the grasp of a practiced cardman. Charlie solved what he thought were the theatric problems, (confusion regarding the effect, a delayed "climax", and declining interest after the revelation of the reversed card), and published the version he worked out in the aforementioned EWCM. It is well worth the read...
Best, PSC
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Robert M
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Posted: Sep 20, 2006 8:59pm
I reluctantly agree. I worked out the effect with the special cards and glasses, and although I love the Sympathetic Cards, I think it's probably more of a magician's trick than something that will really entertain lay audiences.
I'll have to check out the Charlie Miller version.
Robert
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Card-Shark
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Posted: Sep 21, 2006 5:49am
I just took out the book from the Flicking Fingers to read the comments:
The sympathethic 10 routine from Joerg Alexander is based on the routine of Herbert Milton, but some handlings are improved:
- You start with a "brandnew and sealed" deck of cards so that you shorten the length of the whole trick. In the Original 26 cards had to be selected out of a deck and sorted afterwards. In the present time the spectators do not have this patience any longer.
- In the version of Nate Leipzig the magician shuffles the cards of the second package, in Joergs version the spectator himself shuffles the cards!
- In earlier versions the first package was held together with rubber bands and secretly turned over, by using a glas and a silk the spectator gets the exact moment when the magic happens and so the routine is easier to be followed.
And Joerg Alexander claims that the miracle faszinates magician and also laymen.
Perhaps someone will be interested in his handling. The trick is also explained on the DVD "The Flicking Fingers".
Christian
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Denis Behr
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Germany
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Posted: Sep 21, 2006 7:26am
I have seen Jörg perform his version on numerous occasions for laymen. It always plays very well. If anybody is interested in performing a Sympathetic Cards routine he absolutely has to check out his handling.
Denis
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Robert M
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1985 Posts
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Posted: Sep 23, 2006 10:55am
Just watched Jorg Alexander's performance on the DVD, "The Movie". As Card-Shark said, he has solved most, if not all, of the problems with this routine. Very well done!
Robert
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Gianni
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WILMINGTON, DE
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Posted: Sep 24, 2006 4:03pm
Why would this effect be of more interest to magicians than laymen?
Gianni
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Gianni
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Posted: Sep 25, 2006 2:55am
...and how is this determined?
Gianni
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Robert M
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1985 Posts
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Posted: Sep 25, 2006 4:26pm
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On 2006-09-20 17:44, Paul Chosse wrote:
Charlie Miller worked on this plot for years - his solution is in "An Evening With Charlie Miler". Contrary to the opinions offered thus far, Charlie found that the trick did NOT go over in its' original form. In fact, Liepzig found the same thing and gave it up as a regular part of his program. It is certainly a magician fooler, and Derek knew that. I don't recall him doing it in his public performances, though I certainly didn't see him work that much. Maybe someone else knows more about that. The gaffed version is interesting, but it is relatively simple to accomplish the same thing with a regular deck, and is well within the grasp of a practiced cardman. Charlie solved what he thought were the theatric problems, (confusion regarding the effect, a delayed "climax", and declining interest after the revelation of the reversed card), and published the version he worked out in the aforementioned EWCM. It is well worth the read...
Best, PSC
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I think this pretty much explains it, "confusion regarding the effect, a delayed climax, and declining interest after the revelation of the reversed card". Not to mention, the lengthy sorting and removal of the cards from the deck, etc. In other words, some feel that lay audiences will become confused or lose interest.
Jorg Alexander's version does solve most of these problems (see card-shark's last post), but to me it's more of a stage trick the way Jorge does it, and the ending is still a bit anti-climatic.
I still think of this as a classic card trick, but after working on it for several months, I basically came to this same conclusion. It's great, but perhaps this is the type of trick that interests magicians more than regular folk, but I haven't read the Charlie Miller version.
Robert
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Kjellstrom
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Sweden
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Posted: Nov 2, 2006 3:33am
Here you have it: DEREK DINGLE'S SYMPATHETIC CARDS!
http://www.mymagic.com/dingle.htm
(Comes with 11 hand-made gaffed cards and instructions.)
http://www.matskjellstrom.se
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Posted: Oct 9, 2011 1:29am
I just saw a great magician do this tonight and it FLoored everyone!
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WolfWizard
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Posted: Oct 9, 2011 4:58am
There is a great version of this on the Malone Meets Marlo set called "Leipzig Would Have Loved This". It is a packet trick as the two packets of cards are not taken out of their respective decks but rather introduced directly. They are both shown to be in A-K order then the spectator chooses one of them (the routine makes this Magician's Force look very natural). One of the packets is set aside and the other is shuffled, both by the spectator and the magician. The spectator then takes one of the cards from the shuffled packet, turns it face up and replaces it. This packet is then held by the spectator. The magician then takes the unshuffled packet that was set aside earlier. The top card of each packet is turned face up and they do not match ("as you would expect, your packet has been shuffled"), but after a magical gesture the top card of the magician's packet suddenly matches. The cards from each packet are turned over one at a time and each pair matches, even the face up card in the shuffled packet in the spectator's hands is now matched by the same card in the same position in the magician's packet. I've done this routine quite a few times and it has always had great reactions. There is a lot of spectator participation and they always have something to do without it being overwhelming. Anyway, check it out and see what you think
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