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The One Veteran user 325 Posts |
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On 2006-03-05 21:01, A.G. wrote: I don't think I do... and I don't think you do either (Yes, I was also dissapointed with the effect) Twisting a key will get the same reaction, because it pretty much will accomplish the same effect as, twisting a spoon... Twisting a metal object is not a new idea (check out Banachek's DVD, which happens to be half the price), sorry... Specially when it's YOUR key!!! So what you are paying for here is a sleight of hand move, and not a very good one.... $70 is way too much... If it was a new concept and method maybe... but it just isn't. And by the way... the fact that someone has been a consultant for someone on TV does not necessarily make your product good... Specially when the effect hasn't even been performed by that performer, or even if it had (if that performer was Criss Angel). In conclusion... If I ever do come up with something incredibly good... and, let's say, someone like Blaine, or Cyril decides to use it, I Don't think I'll charge as much. The One
I didn't come here to tell you how this is going to end...
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Xiqual Inner circle Upper left quadrant 4935 Posts |
I think just the premise alone is really great. The whole idea of talking about the head twisting scene in "The Exorcist" and then having the key twist is brilliant.
If you can act, I think you could give people the willies seriously. I remember that scene so well, and it gave me nightmares as a kid. Younger people might not be as effected though. I love the premise, thanks A.G., I'll be buying this. James
Still with the Chinese circus
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info2victor Veteran user 337 Posts |
Hi,
I'm quite interested in this effect and am constantly paying attention to the reviews here. I'm not a professional magician but I've been learning and performing magic for a long long time. It has become way more than a hobby. Honestly to me the price is a bit high, but I'm not saying it's over-priced, especially I don't have it. However, if this creates the magical effect as advertised and it's used in real situation by professionals, $70 may not be even considered as expensive. If I have to pay for $70 for an effect, I rather it is NOT a complicated gimmick, especially in a close-up context. Instead I prefer idea and the real performance tips, and $70 for a workable idea IMO is well worth it. Allow me to take Jay Sankey's Clipped as an example, the skill is simple (very simple indeed), but the effect is VERY powerful. If you are going for gimmicks, I can tell you there is none, all you need is a deck of cards and a clip. But what it creates is a miracle. In this very specific effect, bending (twisting) a key is VERY magical (or spooky...), the very first and natural thought from the spec. should be you are using some kind of device. It is therefore up to the simplicity as well as the presentation skills you have to make them rule out this thought, and these thoughts are price-less. Slydini62, I'm looking forward to your detailed review... if you don't mind please in particular give some comments on ease of preparation, presentation... etc. Of coz advice from its creator A.G. is always welcome =)
It only takes a minute to learn how it is done, but takes a lifetime to learn how to do it.
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magic711 New user 27 Posts |
I bought this effect, and will admit at first I was dissapointed as I was expecting a gimmicked device to so the twist, BUT ! now I have performed this all last week and I must admit THIS IS KILLER!I learned something about being a performer with this effect, its not the trick, but its you that sells it.This effect has to be the most talked about so far, I agree with Xiqual that just the idea is so brilliant it inspired me to think about my other effects and how to make them pro too.
Oh yeah, after the twist,they think I was holding a gimmick and when I opened my hands they were floored. peace |
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Tom Lauten Special user 689 Posts |
Folks...I know I'll catch serious flak over this but maybe it's worth a chunk of soap-boxing...
Some people are obviously getting a bit melodramatic here, that's ok once in a while but some of the negative comments made are simply "over the top" in terms of sarcasm and..."witticisms"..for lack of a better description. Obviously key (and other metal) bends are a main stay of mentalism effects. The end result is the important thing, as pointed out by detractors and proponents alike. The "trashing" of AG's work with one hand while the other pats his back for other effects that "meet approval" is a bit ill spirited. I know inventors have "good effects" and "not so good" effects but if one were truly honest, some of the comments made here say more about a need to feel or be seen as "fair" while saying unhelpful (even below the belt) things as a bit of posturing. I like Exorcist Key. The moves are clearly illustrated and explained. The "sleight" isn't..."not a very good one"...it is logical, it is in context and it has obviously fooled people. It isn't a knuckle-buster. Are we supposed to start scoring sleights using a "difficulty" scale like Olympic skating?! Yeah, it's not a complex sleight...GOOD.. how many times have we all heard of the "K.I.S.S." acronym? Simple works ...often. I'm not trying to "have a go" at anyone but it is getting kinda personal to the point of abusive aggression sometimes. Yes the effect is simple to do...maybe even basic, but the handling and the visual effect is impressive. The audience reaction is very good. The effect ends very clean. The manuscript is concise. The prep time takes a matter of minutes and you can set yourself up for a dozen performances in an hour without a machine shop. Yeah, $70 is a lot of money. You wouldn't walk past $70 lying on the sidewalk, but you are getting a well thought out effect that does work if you want to learn it. I don't know, maybe magic is a buyers market and perhaps that means the inventor's efforts, imagination and experience isn't valued as much as an inventors' idea PLUS a plastic "widget" or a "specially printed deck". To me that is a down side of magic being more popular than ever. Impulse purchasing (I'm as guilty as anyone), unrealistic expectations (guilty again!) owing to comments like "...looks like real magic!", "a... real magician fooler!", "...easy to perform" all combined with a lust for instant gratification and a near obsessive desire for "fresh material" (Oh man...I'm sooo guilty) can add to a genuine sense of dissatisfaction with an effect that doesn't deliver something one perceived as "unique". I also realize it is hard to put a value on an effect that is primarily "just an idea"...we all have ideas and in hindsight all ideas seem less than miraculous. So many reviews state "You'll kick yourself for not thinking of it." I personally think Exorcist Key falls into that category. Exorcist Key is not a show stopping spectacular. I don't think it was ever meant to be. It is more of an impromptu or "opportunists" quick hit. Like many bending effects is meant to freak people out. The effect may not be for you but doesn't mean it isn't low quality, it isn't a rip off and it isn't a cynical product from a "profiteering, capitalist magician"! If you like the sound of the effect and you feel happy with paying for a "de-bugged" routine from a working performers repertoire, along with a key or two to get you going, you should be happy. If you you don't like the routine because it needs a bit of a move or two, is comprised of preparation instructions, performance guidance, further tips and it costs $70... then don't buy it, you will be left disappointed. Don't "have a go" at people who have it and are happy, I'm sure they aren't lying just to catch people out. Personally, Exorcist Key feels "right", it is of sound pedigree and I know it works. Others have felt the same and are very happy with it. Opinions are cool but keep it all in perspective...your objections will hold more sway if the motive behind them is that of trying to be helpful. You don't have to "win"...it's not a competition.
Living at and loving Loch Ness!
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mindhunter Inner circle Upstate NY 2280 Posts |
Tom, as a guy who puts out an offering or two once in a while, I think your reviews are just great. This one is no exception. I actually have little interest in this product, and bending in general, but have been trying to get caught up on new items since I was gone for awhile.
It is great to see a review be structured toward the workability of the ROUTINE and impact on the spectators and not just the "cool" factor of the gaffs or MO. I am sure your review will be most helpful for others interested in this effect. (Please buy more stuff and review it here!...lol) Bryn
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haim goldenberg New user 62 Posts |
I got today the Exorcist key and key Accessory
I like the both effects very much!!! It is so clean and direct and very simple to do The routines are served on a silver tray…..it is pleasure. I am definitely will start to work with them right away… good thinking and good job…it is perfect I can't wait to see more of Gerard stuff Haim Goldenberg |
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slydini62 Special user 939 Posts |
Haim
The gimmicky magicians on these boards just do NOT know the power of both of these effects. They are UNBELIEVABLE!! Thanks Frank |
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Dr Jim New user 61 Posts |
Mr. Goldenberg,
Welcome to the Café'! Jim |
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runawayjag Inner circle 1085 Posts |
The "over the top" and "melodramatic" commentary on this thread applies to both the negative and the positive remarks about this effect. Look at all the ALL CAPS words on several of the positive posts. So, it's really not fair to label only the negative posts as going overboard.
I will say only this, I don't know who made them, but I have two twisted keys with matching straight keys right here on my desk with instructions for their use somewhere in my files, as well as a beautiful mechanical key made by Tony Curtis of England many years ago. While the latter doesn't misshape the shaft of the key when it is twisted, the lug does end up perpendicular to the handle, so the key twisting premise has been done before, both mechanically and through sleight-of-hand. |
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haim goldenberg New user 62 Posts |
Thank you jim for your welcome
and Slydini, you rigth - UNBELIEVABLE is the right word... Haim |
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slydini62 Special user 939 Posts |
To correct others on this thread
Exorcist key is the ONLY twisting key effect utilizing these principles that Gerard has developed over many years of performing. Don't buy the expensive "Key" gimmicks ( can't be examined before or after) because this effect and routining ARE PERFECT in every way from other bending effects. Don't let others tell you otherwise because they rather SELL you GIMMICKY keys made years ago. Invest and LEARN this routine well. It is a DEFINITE reputation making effect. It is UNBELIEVABLE and the reactions I been getting have been absolutely amazing... |
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slydini62 Special user 939 Posts |
Haim
Welcome to the board. It is a pleasure to have you post here on the Café. I can think of no other word that can describe this trick but UNBELIEVABLE. Trust me but just yesterday I got a very profitable booking just on this ONE trick alone. Thanks Gerard for releasing this gem! Magically Slydini |
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tdowell Inner circle 1050 Posts |
Real dichotomy of opinion here. While I don't own this effect and do not review it here, I do understand frustration over selling an idea or method for huge finacial profit.
Penomenon was an effect that could have been a pdf file. I frankly think Penomenon is way overpriced for what is essentially an idea with everyday items. Yet, there are people who disagree with me and I understand that, to each his (or her) own. I have serious concerns however when I see such polarization of opinion over an effect, along with certain members who keep repeating their opinions over and over again. Makes one UNBELIEVABLY suspicious. Really. |
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runawayjag Inner circle 1085 Posts |
As I said, "overboard" applies to both the negative and positive comments here and such ravings only tend to defeat their own purposes, as tdowell has so accurately noted. I very much agree.
But, to correct certain statements, sleight of hand key twisting (not bending) has been done before and the mechanical keys can be examined when done. Further, I don't recall any post trying to sell anyone anything, new or old. I have a Tony Curtis key and wouldn't sell it for any price. Now, I haven't knocked Gerard's item in any way, nor am I doing so. I'm sure it's very good. I was only pointing out that the statement that the "over the top" posts were by those with a negative view was a little unfounded. It OBVIOUSLY goes both ways. In the interest of accuracy, I am going to order one and see what this is all about. If it is so incredibly good or incredibly bad, in my own personal opinion only, I'll so state on this forum. Otherwise, I think it has enjoyed enough attention as it is. |
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slydini62 Special user 939 Posts |
Tdowell
I'm sharing my experience and review with others concerning Exorcist Key. I'm suspicious of some of your posts regarding the many products that you have purchased yet I don't post that you were suspicious! You seem very difficult to please anyway. If you have serious concerns, then just don't buy the trick. Your comments as well as others here in this thread make other magicians that post reviews NOT want to post any more of them. If we quit posting reviews, then you will have to buy it and waste your money. Rather than complain about the review how about a THANK YOU for our input since we took the dive and bought the trick. Please don't judge the reviewer because it is THEIR opinion of the effect in review. Calling people suspicious is childish and insulting in my opinion but again your profession is a lawyer so you think everyone is suspicious. Sly |
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giochi Special user 502 Posts |
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On 2006-03-08 22:55, Slydini62 wrote: This is the most transparent nonsensical post I have ever read. You obviously have some sort of connection to the trick and are offering a biased review. Enough with the caps. Its getting obnoxious. |
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slydini62 Special user 939 Posts |
Giochi
Your post is pure NONSENSE and IGNORANT. Enjoy the CAPS dude! You bought this trick and you feel slighted. You wanted a nice expensive gimmick, HUH?? I suggest you practice this trick and show it to a paying audience and you'll see what I mean. Quoting Haim a few posts from above: "and Slydini, you right - UNBELIEVABLE is the right word..." I geuss others use CAPS too. WOW... Sly |
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jfkkraemer Elite user SoCal 481 Posts |
This is the funnist forum ever. Petty arguements, it is becoming nothing more than a waste of time lately trying to sift thru the arguements for any relevant facts.
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slydini62 Special user 939 Posts |
Listen, I'm going out of my way to review these tricks for magicians on this forum. This is MY personal review of the trick. I'm providing a honest and unbiased viewpoint from my perspective yet I get personal attacks in this post and in PMs. I paid for these tricks and I'm trying to give my opinion of them for everyone so you can make an informed decision whether to purchase them. In other words, all reviewers in the Café are doing everyone a favor here at the Café. Please respect their opinions and the their investment of time and money to all of you. The individuals doing the most complaining here have NEVER posted a review and helped others. They are always complaining when they receive a trick thinking they were actually getting "real" magic.
I personally think very highly of Gerard's recent creations and he has been extremely helpful through email. His effects are simple but yet so devastating. That is MY opinion so take it for what it is worth. I'm done at far as this subject is concerned. |
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