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wayman
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England - Sunderland
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Posted: Nov 24, 2002 7:14pm
This is a simple list of books and Videos for beginners to get themselves started with.
These are required reading/watching for any-one wanting to learn coin magic.
Coin Magic Books and Videos
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Books
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"NEW Modern Coin Magic".....(Hardback) by J.B.Bobo
"Coin Magic".......................(Hardback) by Richard Kaufman
"Expert Coin Magic".............(Hardback) by David Roth
"Magic by Gosh"..................(Hardback) by Pat Page & Albert Goshman
"Self working Coin Magic".....(Softback) by Karl Fulves
Videos
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"The complete introduction to coin magic"....(DVD)....by Michael Ammar
"Basic Coin Magic 1 & 2"............................(Video)..by David Stone
"Quick & Casual Close up"..........................(DVD)....by Sol Stone
"Easy to master money miracles"................(Video)..by Micheal Ammar
"Expert Coin Magic videos volumes 1-3 "......(Video)..by David Roth
This list is small, please add to it if you wish so that others can find what they want easily. 
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Dan Watkins
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PA
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Posted: Nov 24, 2002 8:43pm
I don't agree with some of your list for beginners.
Coin Magic and Expert Coin Magic books are not for beginners neither is the Easy to Master Money Miracles series. All of those items you need to know the foundations of concealments, fake transfers, etc. or you will be lost. Absolute beginners won't be able to use those books or videos yet until they get the basics.
David Roth's Expert Coin Magic videos volumes 1-3 should be added to the list of videos for beginners.
Related threads to this one you want to read:
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=4790&forum=3
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=9632&forum=3
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=15055&forum=3&11
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Masilon
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Milan-Italy
51 Posts
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Posted: Nov 25, 2002 4:10am
I would also suggest Brad Burt's "Basics of Expert Coin Technique" video.
Luca
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johne
Special user
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Posted: Nov 25, 2002 10:46am
I enjoyed Bobo's Modern Coin magic very much, and still find myself reading it from time-to-time. I also though Bill Tarr's "Now You See it, Now You Don't" book on Sleight of hand. Although it cover more than coins, I think it is very good reading. Mark Wilson's book on Magic is a very good book for beginners too. It has a section on coins, and has much more to offer as well.
John Eddington
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wayman
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England - Sunderland
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Posted: Nov 25, 2002 3:43pm
Good point Dan,
I jumped in at the deep end myself with sankey material (from a book!) so I know how hard it can be.
I have tried to put the titles in order of learning, J.B.Bobos first in the books and Ammar's CITCM in the videos , but it is a difficult task.
but you must agree that most of the techniques are taught in advance of the routines in the books.
for example,
COIN MAGIC has lots of basic techniques,
ie Retention Pass (2 versions), Palm change, fingertip rest, shuttle pass, edge grip, classic palm (one of a group etc), deep back clip, spider vanish, spellbound (6 simple methods + others), drop switch etc etc etc.
I also found the Easy to master early tapes quite easy to follow, all you had to do was copy and learn.
as I can only comment on items that I have viewed, I am open to all suggestions and have added Roths Videos to the list.
PS. the reason behind this list can be seen Here
pps. I have read your essay and think that others should to!. LINK to Essay by Dan
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WilliamWHolcomb
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Twinsburg, Ohio
533 Posts
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Posted: Nov 29, 2002 6:35pm
I took a look at the esaay by Dan and I wonder why nothing from Rubinstein is mentioned?
William Holcomb
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wayman
Special user
England - Sunderland
575 Posts
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Posted: Nov 30, 2002 10:05am
Only Dan could answer that.
Maybe at the time of compiling his essay Dr.Rubinstein's material wasn't readily available.
But I neglected Dr.Rubinstein because although I think that he has some excellent stuff, his routines are not specifically designed for solely for beginners. That being said, his explanation of sleights could significantly help the learning process for one who is struggling with a book.
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Dan Watkins
Inner circle
PA
3014 Posts
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Posted: Dec 2, 2002 12:33am
Regarding Rubinstein's stuff:
The Knockout Coin magic DVDs are his routines. You need to know the basics before you do any of them. They are not teaching videos for beginners.
His Encyclopedia is great to have a reference for sleights, but I would not recommend an Encyclopedia for the absolute beginner. It is a great reference tool for magicians, but could be a bit too dry for a beginner, sleight after sleight after sleight, variation of a sleight after variation of a sleight, and no routines.
The Roth, Stone, and Ammar tapes are focused on teaching fundamental sleights and routines to use them. I think that is the better mix for a beginner.
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NachoNut
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Queens, New York
17 Posts
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Posted: Dec 2, 2002 3:50pm
I had just ordered Modern Coin Magic by Bobo as referenced by a good friend and should be getting it very shortly. So as just starting out my coin venture, I'll make sure my beginner status from this book will be known.
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johne
Special user
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Posted: Dec 2, 2002 4:06pm
That's a purchase you will not regret. It has taught me moves at my own pace. As I learn new magic, it seems I can go back to that book and find something similar to help me out, that I never knew was in there.
Best of luck with your learning,
John Eddington
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CoinFreak
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6 Posts
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Posted: Dec 5, 2002 8:49pm
I HIGHLY HIGH suggest, Jeff McBride's World class Manipulation Series. Volume 1 has MANY MANY MANY coin sleights that are mandatory for beginners, while volumes 2 and 3 have more advanced techniques such as rollouts, passes, jumbo coins, and other flourishes, etc.
If you want to see some of the things I can do, thanks to that those videos go to www.geocities.com/coinfreakfos
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KingStardog
Inner circle
2135 Posts
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Posted: Dec 10, 2002 11:58am
If I was starting all over again, knowing what I know now.....
1. Ammar's World of Magic VHS
2. Hampton's Amazing Tricks with Money VHS
3. Ammar's Introduction to Coin Magic VHS
4. Bobo's for a full read.
5. the Ammar and Stone vids in order
I suggest this order so the beginner can pick up some very easy material and have some effects to work with right from the start. The more difficult effects should be
held off for a while so that enough practice time can be done to show them properly without exposing the methods of working professionals.
Just an opinion.
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Sneakers
Regular user
Melbourne, Australia
106 Posts
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Posted: Dec 12, 2002 6:15am
Consider the 5th volume of the Greater Magic Video Library Teach-In Series from Stevens Magic Emporium. The tape is called "Coin Classics Volume 1" and features the likes of Bobo himself showing multiple ways to vanish a coin. The tape features 13 performers and 14 different effects shown in performance and subsequently clearly explained.
Mike Ammar (back when he *had* hair!), Eugene Burger, Daryl, Jay Marshall, David Regal, Jay Sankey, and a whole host of others.
A real find for the beginner and intermediate coin worker alike!
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DonB
New user
58 Posts
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Posted: Dec 12, 2002 11:45am
If you're looking for non-card material, I would also include Lewis Ganson's 2 book set of close-up material.
DonB.
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what
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Lehi, UT, USA
643 Posts
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Posted: Dec 13, 2002 3:38pm
As a newcomer to coin magic, I think the list of starting materials should be short. I am using:
Bobo's book "Modern Coin Magic,
Ammar's Video "Complete Introduction to Coin Magic"
and I must say how helpful the http://www.coinvanish.com site has been so far.
Magic is fun!!!
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DA
New user
New jersey
48 Posts
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Posted: Dec 15, 2002 1:31pm
I would like to recommend for the beginners of magic who would like to know the history of magic, effects, and magicians to seek out a copy of T.A. Waters "Encyclopedia of Magic and Magicians."
DA
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Jonathan Townsend
Eternal Order
Ossining, NY
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Posted: Dec 17, 2002 3:27am
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| On 2002-11-24 19:14, wayman wrote:
This is a simple list of books...to get themselves started with. |
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Nothing like starting at the beginning.
Discoverie of Witchcraft by R Scott (1560)
The Art of Magic by T. Nelson Downs (1909)
Sorry, that was a bit before video. On the other hand these guys did want to communicate so they wrote clearly and plainly. Both are in Dover paperback.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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deuces
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Toronto, Ontario
63 Posts
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Posted: Dec 18, 2002 2:55am
I'm at exactly the same position as you! 
And I feel it's been working great so far. Ammar's DVD was a good hook that gets you interested and Bobo's helps with the fine details as well as the foundations at coinvanish.comQuote:
| On 2002-12-13 15:38, what wrote:As a newcomer to coin magic, I think the list of starting materials should be short. I am using:Bobo's book "Modern Coin Magic,
Ammar's Video "Complete Introduction to Coin Magic"
and I must say how helpful the http://www.coinvanish.com site has been so far. |
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Dan Watkins
Inner circle
PA
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Posted: Dec 19, 2002 12:38pm
Since this is a sticky topic that stays at the top of this forum I wanted to post some advice here for new coin magicians.
Along with people posting about new videos and books I often see people make threads asking about topics such as Matrix routines, or the Raven, or _Insert your favorite coin topic here_.
One thing that I recommend for anyone looking for a particular topic. The Search link at the top of this forum allows you to put in a word or words if you are looking for a specific topic. This can also be done in the archived section as well.
In many cases threads that have come before will be able to answer your questions. If not you can add to the preexisting thread or start a new one to add upon what has come before.
I find the search tool one of the most helpful features of this website. I use it all the time when I am looking for a specific topic.
Dan
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Daniel Faith
Inner circle
Neenah, Wisconsin
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Posted: Dec 21, 2002 6:45am
For a beginner. I would suggest nothing other than JB Bobos Modern Coin Magic.
That book has a wealth of material and takes a great deal of time to LEARN the sleights and routines.
Getting too many books only clutters the learning path for the beginner. Focus on the best book for beginners. I believe that is the book.
Daniel Faith
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Dan Watkins
Inner circle
PA
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Posted: Dec 21, 2002 11:12am
The quick answer is yes, you can learn coin magic just with Bobo's.
The long answer is, though you can learn it with Bobo's, its not the easiest way to do it - coin magic is very visual and it helps to see what is going on. You do not want to learn the basics wrong, one of these videos will show you the basics properly.
In the long run, I am sure you can do coin magic with only Bobo's but by purposely limiting the resources you view or read on a subject will ulitimately limit your knowledge. The more resources you can use, the greater knowledge you gain on the subject.
Regardless of what you plan on purchasing, definately do get Bobo's. Make sure you get the Hard Bound New Modern Coin Magic, not just the cheap Dover reprint. After you start with Bobo's you can decide if you need or want something more.
Dan
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Tony
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Los Angeles
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Posted: Dec 22, 2002 1:39pm
That's right. When I first started my first purchase in coin magic was Scotch & Soda, then Bobo's The New Modern Coin Magic book. After reading it for a week, I bought Michael Ammar's Introduction to Coin Magic and then "I got it!" was my reaction. Since coin magic is a very visual trick I didn't know how to present it properly--both book and video forms go very well together. Books usually have a lot more material than videos and in my opinion can give more material once you can actually visualize the trick, routine, patter and presentation in a flowing manner (naturally, presentation and patter would be best if you presented it in your own style, but that comes later once you become comfortable in the routine).
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Dynamike
Eternal Order
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Posted: Dec 25, 2002 9:50pm
Beginners should watch a video before reading a book. The tape makes the rountine easier to understand. After the video, change over to books. It will prove the trick can be done, and how.
When I was younger I started the hard way because there were no tapes, only books.
Dynamike
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Darren Roberts
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Posted: Dec 26, 2002 11:10pm
I just this morning bought Bobo's book. As a stone cold beginner in coin magic I can tell you that the very first concealment was pretty tricky. Not that I'm opposed to practice. I bought that book specifically for long term learning. But for beginners looking for "immediate" results, Mark Wilsons Cyclopedia has a very good coin magic section.
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ELS
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Chicagoland area, IL
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Posted: Dec 27, 2002 11:33am
I personally like the Wilson book. It gives you step by step drawings to walk you through it. I find it great for learning the basics on both coins and cards. I picked up my hardcover book on e-bay, and it was like brand new for around $10.
Ed 
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Larry Barnowsky
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Cooperstown, NY where bats are made from
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Posted: Dec 29, 2002 11:30am
Bobo's text
Roth's video
Ammar's video
Johnny Thomson's Commercial Classics to see a true pro perform coin magic classics
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21ST CENTURY COIN MECHANICS Book + Video CD www.barnowskymagic.com almost Out of Print
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Darren Roberts
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Posted: Jan 11, 2003 11:48am
For what it's worth...I have supplemented Bobo's book with Ammar's Complete Introduction to Coin Magic DVD and the coinvanish.com site. I am finding that, for me, it is very helpful to visually see the techniques described in books. I'm getting ideas of what the techniques LOOK like. Of course, I'm basically repeating some things that have been said above 
Hope this may help other beginners.
Some mornings it just doesn't seem worth it to gnaw through the leather straps. - Emo Phillips
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Ozer4
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NYC
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Posted: Feb 15, 2003 5:01pm
Roth's videos are top notch. Bobo's is the classic work on coin magic, every magician has to have a copy, and for 8 or 9 bucks you can't go wrong.
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frank
Regular user
Baltimore, MD
109 Posts
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Posted: Mar 6, 2003 2:25pm
Flip through a copy of "World's Best
Coin Tricks" by Bob Longe the next time
you're in a book store. I think he's
distilled basic coin magic down pretty
nicely.
Frank
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Robert Black
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Posted: Mar 8, 2003 8:07pm
When I started out in Magic the best thing that could have happened was the Bobo book, Expert Coin Magic (Roth), Coin Magic (Kaufman), All the Roth Tapes. I have to say that for me Rubenstien and Ammar didn't quite cut it. For ME that is. I am a big fan of simple is better and between Bobo and Roth material you can find a lot of low tech utillity sleights that can be very effective. All the exotic palms and placements will come later with practice if you want to use them. I don't, simple is better for me.
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