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Jaxon

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Posted: May 9, 2006 3:23pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of Jaxon  

There are quite a few posts here on the board about having shaky hands. I thought about replying with my thoughts to them but there are quite a few so I figured I'd just start another one with my advice and thoughts on the issue. I figured this would be easier then posting it in all the other conversations about it.

As some of you know I've been doing some writing about some of my thoughts in magic. IF you do an advanced search for my name in the "new to magic" section you'll find the ones I've already posted. So example I posted one titled "Don't be a clone" and this was an excerpt from the writing I've been doing.

Well I wrote another one about having the shakes. Like the others I've posted this is a rough graph and if I ever put these writings together and publish them I'll have them edited and corrected. But I hope this is clear enough and someone finds it helpful.

Quote:


The Shakes
Overcoming Nervousness


I’m waiting in a hallway of a town hall for them to be finished with their presentation of the corporate dinner party. As soon as they are done handing out the awards and giving their speeches they’ll be introducing me to do a short parlor act. I’ve been rehearsing for this show for a few months now. I’ve ran through the entire acts so many times I know it like the back of my hand. Just earlier today I went through the entire act a few times for some of my friends and family members. Each time I did the act I was flawless. Not one thing went wrong so I knew I was ready for this show.

Because of this I can’t understand why I feel so strange. My hands, forehead and even my shirt are soaked in sweat. I take a peak around the corner and see the hall full of about 100 people listening intently to the speaker on the stage. I notice the table that was full of trophies and plaques a few minutes ago is almost empty. I’ll be introduced any minute now. I hide my head back behind the wall I’m leaning against and I suddenly feel a hot flash. I feel like I might even get sick. I see a drinking fountain a few yards away from me and walk over to take a drink. Just then someone pokes their head around the corner and waves me over. This is it. It’s time for me to go up their in front of all these strangers. I grab a ball from my pocket and try to palm it in my right hand because this is where it needs to be for my opening trick. This isn’t an easy task because my hands are so sweaty. I wipe my palms on the pants and try again. I can hold it now but it’s not a very secure palm. I just hope I don’t drop it on the way to the stage.

I make it to the stage and the music begins to play. My first routine is a multiplying balls routine. I do a little manipulation to the one single ball then steal the shell. I’m ready to make the ball multiply for the first time. I just barely pull it off without the ball dropping. As I do the next move where I load another ball into the shell I drop the first ball I produced. Luckily it wasn’t the one with in the shell. During the course of the multiplying balls routine I drop two balls on the floor but luckily the shell wasn’t exposed.

I drop all of the eight balls into my hat except the last one. I turn this one into a white silk then produce a candle from it. I reach under my lapel and pull the match out of the gimmick. It lights as it’s suppose to but when I reach up to light the candle my hands are shaking so bad it takes me a few seconds to get it lit. I produce a second candle and when I try to light it off the first one my hands are shaking again. I try with all my might but for some reason my muscles just won’t allow me to touch the tips of the candles together. I give up on it and move on to vanishing the candles. After they are gone I turn the silk into a cane. Produce a hat and take a little bow as the music does down. My audience gives a round of applause but I don’t feel I’ve really earned it. With the manipulation portion of my act finished I go onto the rest of my show.

The rest of the show is a series of routines that involve audience members to come up and assist me. By the time I got my first volunteer to come up and join me I started to feel a little better. My hands didn’t seem to be shaking as much and I started to feel a little more confident. When this act was over and my volunteer was heading back to his seat while the audience gave us there applaud. I felt completely at ease. The rest of the show went on just as I had hoped it would for the last few months. It ended with a very generous applaud and I received many compliments after the show. They even booked me again for the fallowing year.


Sound familiar to you? Maybe you’ve had a similar experience to the above true story that happened to me years ago. Yours might not have been as drastic as that but most performers get the shakes from time to time. I still get them but I’ve been performing long enough to have a little more confidence in myself now.

That’s the key to overcoming nervousness. Notice I say “overcome” and not “get rid of” it. Even the most advanced performers can get a little nervous. If you don’t believe that then ask your favorite magician if they’ve ever been nervous during or before a show. Most of them will smile at their own embarrassment as they tell the story of their horrifying memory. They smile because looking back we realize how funny some of the things where and how far we’ve come since then. The point is just about everyone goes through this at some point and most of us deal with it a number of times. We now have the confidence in ourselves because we’ve been up in front of an audience and succeeded. We know we can do it because we’ve already proven to ourselves that we can. It’s not about proving it to others. It’s about proving it to your self. But how can someone get that kind of confidence? The simple answer to that question is you have to keep trying until you find what works for you.

If you reread my storey above you’ll notice that the moment I started to do what I felt more comfortable doing I stopped feeling nervous. In my case it was the manipulation portion of the show that gave me trouble. I now know better then to open with a manipulation act because it isn’t my strong point. I don’t have the confidence in myself when doing that kind of act. If I really wanted to I could go out and try to build my confidence in that area but I come to realize that it’s not my style. In a way I have done that because I have performed manipulation acts since then without getting too nervous. But I’ve found what works for me so I no longer do manipulation acts. It just doesn’t fit me anymore. Someone else might feel more comfortable doing that manipulation act then an interactive act. It all depends on the individual.

I’m the best (Your name) performer in the world!
The above statement is what my mind says about myself when I feel the nervousness build up inside of me. It doesn’t state that I think I’m better then anyone else. I’m not even comparing myself to anyone else. I just need to feel that no one in the world can do what I do better then I can. No one can do the “Ron Jaxon” show but me. And I’m *** good at it!

This is the kind of mindset that will help you overcome that nervousness. Thinking about this isn’t really enough. You have to really believe it’s true. Some people have a hard time thinking of themselves this way because they feel they’re putting others down in the process. They feel it’s wrong to think that highly of them selves. But there’s nothing wrong with having this kind of self-confidence. In fact it’s actually quite healthy. If you can honestly feel this about yourself then you can literally accomplish anything.

Think of a performer you admire. Someone well known in the magic worlds that you’ve seen perform a number of times (live or on TV). As you watch them perform do you get the feeling that they have every bit of confidence in themselves? Can you even picture them nervous? Chances are it would be hard to imagine that because they never show nervousness. All they show is what they do best. Which is, of course, their act. They know they can do their act and they also know that no one can do their act better then they can. Some audience members might like someone else’s act better then theirs but that someone else could never do their act better then they can. Know without a doubt that you have the ability to give your spectators the experience you’ve planned for them.

This all sounds too easy doesn’t it? In truth it’s not easy at all. It’ll take some people, such as myself, years to reach this kind of self-confidence and I still struggle with it from time to time. I’ve performed on stage for a few hundred people and had no trouble at all. Yet I recently performed for a group of about 50 fourth grade kids and got the shakes. It’s a constant struggle for some of us but it can be overcome. Don’t let one experience hold you back. Use them to improve.

If you’re really having a hard time with this then here are a few other suggestions.

· Do what you know you can do.
Always start your show with something you’ve done many times before. Something you know you can do well and have succeeded with before.

· Keep it simple
Don’t start your show with things that require a lot of skill to pull off. I know that might seem like a short cut but if you try to open a show with something that’s very hard to pull off then it’ll add to the nervousness. My story above in a perfect example. As an inexperienced performer at the time I should have never opened a show with something so involved as the multiplying ball. If I had started the show with something that was a little easier for me then I might have been able to find my rhythm and timing and more importantly my confidence during that opening sequence and overcame my nervousness. You need to give yourself time to do that.

· Move on from mistakes
The fear of making a mistake is what usually brings on the nervousness. Even when we aren’t nervous a mistake can bring the nervousness on in full force. The best thing to do when a mistake occurs is to move on to something you know you are confident enough not to make another mistake on. Quite often audience members will forget about the mistake and maybe even think it was a planned one.

· An extreme solution
This is a possible thing to try for those who have a very serious problem with nervousness. Why not build on your nervousness? Believe it or not this can actually help you overcome your nervousness. Just flat out tell your audience that you are nervous. Maybe even do an act based on it. I even know one guy who made a little gimmick that makes it look like he pee’d his pants. The simple fact that you tell them you’re nervous will make them wonder if it’s just part of the act. By the time they stop wondering you might not even be nervous anymore. Why not, we magicians are known for being “honest liars”.




Ron Jaxon



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ElliottB

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Posted: May 9, 2006 8:53pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of ElliottB  

Thanks for the post. Your advice will probably help me out.

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airship

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Posted: May 9, 2006 10:49pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of airship  

Just imagine yourself in your underwear, kid.
Or maybe you're supposed to imagine them in their underwear. Can't remember.
But the first way works for me!

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Brad Burt

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Posted: May 11, 2006 10:56am    Reply with quote   View Profile of Brad Burt  

When you spend 32 years behind a magic counter selling to countless 'newbies' this is a question that you get over and over and over. Folks get nervous, fight or flight kicks in and the adrenal rush causes you to shake.

First, note that the 'shaking' is totally natural. Understand? It is just chemicals in your blood, that's all. It doesn't say anything about YOU except that you are normal.

Second, stand with you feet about six inches beyond should width on both sides. Now, bend over as if you are trying to touch the floor with your head, but just RELAX. Dangle your arms and hands towards the floor, but don't touch the floor. Relax. Breathe slowly and evenly. Legs slightly bent. This is a basic Bioenergetics exercise for releaving stress and anxiety. Now, after about 1-2 mintues come up slowly. Feel better?

Third, get over the natural anxiety that performing magic produces in everyone at the start by doing a REALLY good, but basically bombproof trick. Before you have to worry about getting caught get some experience just doing some good magic that you basically CAN'T get caught at. Get those toes wet, etc. I heartily suggest a trick that I just re-released by Nick Brown called Wonderland Dollar. A favorite of Doc Eason by the way! http://www.nexternal.com/bburt/Product346 You can check it out there.

This is, right now, the only trick I carry with me all the time. It kills. That's it. Do the above and you'll find yourself doing magic with the best of them in no time. Shakes will go away and you'll be tackling the 'real work' of beginning to upper level sleights, etc. Best,

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jimhlou

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Posted: May 11, 2006 5:17pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of jimhlou  

Ron
Brad Burt:

Thanks for the post. I've performed for years but only recently got the shakes! What's up with that? I will take your advice to heart.

Jim
GWGumby

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Posted: May 11, 2006 6:15pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of GWGumby  

I appreciate these threads. I've been hampered in the past by "the shakes" as well especially when demonstrating a new trick. It helps to know it's not just me.

It's weird because I don't get stage fright like others. I have no problem getting up and performing. I've played in bands and played solo. I've acted in plays. I've given talks, presentations, and other things in front of large groups of people. But doing a magic trick, that's when the shakes occur.

My best guess as to why is because unlike almost any of the other things, a good, convincing magic effect often leaves little room for error. So I go into hyper-sensitive mode and that's where the shakes unconsciously arrive.
Brad Burt

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Posted: May 12, 2006 12:37pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of Brad Burt  

Vis-a-vis 'The Shakes' magic is almost unique in the performing arts. Consider that if you blow a bad note on a horn, or you miss a line in a play, etc. ... Generally that is not going to cause any great harm to either the music piece or the play. Things go on and in many cases it is expected. Stuff goes wrong in may performing arts, but the 'illusion' as such is not harmed. I'm assuming the performance otherwise is at a high level.

But, 'magic', ah, there's a totally situation. Screw up a magic trick and by definition the 'illusion' is gone. The whole point of the performance is gone. Magic by the nature of the beast fosters a greater degree of paranoia and thus a greater probability that one will go into the flight or fight response and start pumping that ole adrenilin and thus start shaking. The shaking is a response to the chemical in you body causing your muscles to twitch. Some folks can handle a greater amount than others, etc.

The point of this is that it is referential. You 'think' that screwing up a magic trick is MORE important than it really is and thus starts a vicious circle. The thought of screwing up makes you nervous which causes you to screw up which makes you more nervous which causes you to screw you and on and on it goes.

For the years I taught classes in the magic schools I ran I found that the following worked nearly 100% of the time to alleviate this problem: You have to see magic for what it IS not what you think it is. Magic is the coolest performing craft in the world. But, if you get busted NOTHING in the world will change. It's not like inventing a new anti-viral and saving millions of lives. It's not like coming up with some way to feed millions. It's fun, but it's not significant. I love magic, but I LOVE my family.

Ask yourself what will happen if you mess up a trick. You might be embarrassed, but you have to reason to be. It happens, so what? Will anyone die or not die? Nope.

The point of this is not to give you an EXCUSE to fail, but a REASON TO RELAX SO THAT YOU DO NOT FAIL. See the point? My best shows were always those that I was relaxed and just didn't care if I messed up. Result? I didn't mess up. My muscles were loose and relaxed and they did what I had trained them for thousands of hours to do without stuttering or shaking. I rode that sublime and almost transcendent experience called performers high for all it was worth and ended up with the best performances. Note that I didn't WANT to screw up, I just didn't care. If I had I would have found some way out of it up to and including making a joke at my own expense and moving on like a pro is supposed to do. Only an amateur acknowledges that they made a mistake. In me experience 99.5% of the time you can recover in such manner that the audience never knows that you DID make a mistake. It's the fear of making a mistake that is the thing you want to avoid.

Why? Because it does not help. What possible advantage is there to being fearful in a performance situation? None. Relax and have yourself a great time and thereby make sure that your spectators have a great time also! Take care,


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GG

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Posted: May 14, 2006 5:32pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of GG  

Just wondering if Wonderland Dollar by Nick Brown can be tailored to be used in British note form.
Thanks GG
Brad Burt

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Posted: May 15, 2006 10:45am    Reply with quote   View Profile of Brad Burt  

Yes, Wonderland Dollar can be used with almost any currency unless it is too square. But, it can be a struggle to work out the folds just right. I'm working on helping a client in the U.K. figure it out now. Best,


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JenofNM

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Posted: May 16, 2006 5:12am    Reply with quote   View Profile of JenofNM  

Thank you for the post. That was a lot of information and very helpful. The shakes is a real problem for me as I use animals in my act. Wish I had nervs like Dorothy Dietrich or Maria Gara when they preform. I watch males preform and no there is no way for me to emulate that nor can I use much from Jade as well my style is way to well not like her. Looking for some advice from the male or female side of ideas to use the "magic suaveness" in a female way that does not just lean towards sexual prose. Lance Burton has his Good ol' Boy theme down. I don't think that would help me. Sure sexy is good somtimes but not for a bunch of kids in a hospital. I don't want to fall back on silly girl or sexy girl acts as those are limiting looking for new hooks and to help me get over fear as I somtimes use animals, and let us just say they have felt the shakes and responded in turn. Any gals or guys with ideas for stage persona hooks that work for them? I am open to ideas and could use help. Kinda new to the whole forum world also so help posting welcomed to. How do I start a topic? Ok kinda feeling odd here so I will stop now.
magicusb

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Posted: May 21, 2006 2:20am    Reply with quote   View Profile of magicusb  

Dear JenofNM

Quote from you:
"Wish I had nerves like Dorothy Dietrich or Maria Gara when they preform."

You ask about character. I have found for me the best is not do anything but be myself. I do not try to be "sexy", or perform like any one else, male or female. I just go out and do my thing. I talk to my audience like they were friends or family. The way I kid and joke with friends and family is the way I do in in front of an audience.

Do as many shows as you can. Do them for all levels, kids, seniors, families, adults, etc. There is nothing to be afraid of. Remember your fear is only a strong desire to do well. This is a good thing. Turn that nervous energy to your advantaqe, and use that energy to show your audience your love and excitement for them and your art.

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Shodan

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Posted: Jun 1, 2006 6:46am    Reply with quote   View Profile of Shodan  

Just thought I'd add on some thoughts to this topic. I definitely suffer from the shakes when performingm which is a b*tch when trying to work a deck of cards!

As a professional martial arts and self defence instructor, I teach students about adrenaline, its causes and effects and how to deal with it. The vast majority of effective self defence techniques rely on gross motor action (large body movements) rather than fine motor action (finger movements, complex movements) as these are very difficult to pull off under the influence of adrenaline. One of the reasons for this has to do with the mechanism of adrenaline as a survival system; it is a natural rocket fuel, making you faster, stronger and raising your pain threshold. Another function of the adrenal response is to draw blood away from the extremities - fingers, lower legs, head etc. - resulting in hand shakes, leg shakes, the "white face" appearance, difficulty thinking or remembering etc.

Public performance is interpreted by your body as a "life or death" situation, and the adrenaline kicks in. So, hanging with your head and arms below your heart makes perfect sense, as it encourages the blood back into these areas. This is an option pre-performance - not so much in a self defence scenario! Interestingly, the adrenal response does not seem to be too sophisticated; reducing symptoms can often fool the body into calming down.

In the martial arts we teach students to use an "action trigger" - a word, phrase or action which you have programmed through repetition (practise, practise, practise anyone?) to trigger a specific action. A self defence version of this is using the phrase "BACK OFF!" to trigger a strike towards the attacker's face, in order to bypass the social conditioning telling you not to hit. A magic equivalent is practising patter along with everything else, and having phrases and actions in the patter cover for and prepare you for the actions you need to carry out. For instance, speaking the name of a spectator in a close up card act could act as a sensible trigger for a top change, as this will naturally encourage eye contact between you and them, and encourage the rest of the audience to look at your chosen spectator. In this example, the use of an "action trigger" is serving the dual purpose of triggering a sleight (through repetitive programming/practise) and misdirecting it. The triggering mechanism in the body does not rely on a decision making process and so it is less affected by the adrenal response.

Fine motor action will be compromised, and so the well-known advice of "do something easy/self working first" is well given - it gives you a chance to relax, to convince your body to turn off the adrenaline and regain your fine motor co-ordination.

I could go on and on, but I just thought a different perspective may be interesting.

Cheers,
David

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bilz

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Posted: Jun 1, 2006 9:25am    Reply with quote   View Profile of bilz  

A couple of books that might be useful... I've used these to help get over nerves with giving presentations and talks but I think some of you might find them useful for performing magic:

Feel the fear and do it anyway - Susan Jeffers

and

Fear, the friend of exceptional people - Geoff Thompson

Hope some of you find them as useful as I have

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lockedroomguy

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Posted: Jun 1, 2006 5:39pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of lockedroomguy  

I don't know if this will be practical for you or not, but I used to have trouble performing or just speaking at public events. I took a public speaking course, and they video'd us doing a speech. I was nervous as usual, my voice felt like it was cracking, and I had the shakes all over, and this was just in front of my 10 fellow classmates and the instructor.

But when I watched the video, it was obvious that no one else could tell I was nervous. I couldn't even see the external signs of shaking and nervousness that I *knew* must be there.

Knowing that my nervousness wasn't showing made a huge impact on my ability to actually relax, and I've never had a problem since. So if there is a way for you to video one of your performances, maybe it will help you the same way.

Regards
Eric Dittelman

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Posted: Jun 2, 2006 2:20pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of Eric Dittelman  

As a musician, I used to a experience a lot of stage fright when performing. As Brad Burt stated above, it all stems from the "fight or flight" instict we all have. When we're nervous or scared or unprepared, our bodies naturally react to that fear and the shaking is telling us to "get the hell out of here" and RUN!. To over come the flight part of "fight or flight" my teacher told me to shake out the parts of me that were shaking the most, or run in place, or do jumping jacks just so you can appease your body's natural instinct of wanting to move. Once you do this, the shakes are literally out of your system.

The other best way to avoid the "shakes" as many of you above stated is to "fight". Fighting means accepting your situation and putting in your best effort. If you have confidence in yourself, you'll be able to overcome any nerves. Confidence can come from hours of practicing to make sure your prepared, but it also comes from experience of performing live over and over again. The more you perform the easier it will become.

Lastly, if you still can't find any confidence in yourself, trick yourself into thinking your confident. Ask yourself "How would I act or how would I want this performance to go if I was confident in myself and wasn't nervous?" By acting out the "if" rather than the "must" you can fool yourself and your natural body instincts.

Hope this helps!

-Eric D.
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Posted: Jun 2, 2006 7:48pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of Lee Darrow  

If you watch the Star Trek Blooper reel, especially the parts with Riker & Picard, you will see them BOTH do a "shake out" before the clapper falls and the scene starts. This helps them "stay loose" for the scene.

Basic acting technique.

in fact - try TAKING an acting class or six. This is a GREAT way to get over the shakes because you will be performing almost every day, getting critiqued on your work and improving, steadily.

Just a thought...

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Posted: Dec 6, 2006 7:57am    Reply with quote   View Profile of Sensio  

VERY VERY insightful thread!

To me, some stange but at least explicable things happen:

1) I don't care much if I will make any mistake BUT mainly if someone will catch something that resembles the secret of the effect...
Solution(s) to this: I think it serves very well to incorporate more than one secrets in your effect so the mind of the spectator will come to a dead-end or get confused enough to come up with a logical solution...

2) I many times worry (given my 32 years of age), that some people will consider my work on magic something silly and senseless (why do you do magic if it doesn't't bring you money... etc etc)...
Solution(s) to this: possibly doing apparently impromptu magic...

3) The craziest of all is that when I practise and rehearse strongly an effect, then I really "invest" in it so when I perform it, I may shake and my heart may be ready to escape from my body... On the other hand, if I just perform with almost no rehersal, then my body is pretty ok (my performance however isn't the best)...
Solution(s) to this: I decided to rehearse some effects strongly enough and then leave them aside for 1-2 weeks before preforming them... I try this now so I don't know how will it play...

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Andy the cardician

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Posted: Dec 6, 2006 9:14am    Reply with quote   View Profile of Andy the cardician  

Aware, that is indeed strange . . . . a reversal shake

Andy

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TheMagicLawyer

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Posted: Dec 17, 2006 4:15pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of TheMagicLawyer  

I don't know how you guys do it all day! I can take a case to trial with only a little bit of nerves, but doing "B'Wave" for a stranger, and I'm fighting off a panic attack! As Jeff McBride told me "just keep doing small effects for different people, and it gets easier and easier." I do believe that this aspect of magic is not discussed among magicians very much and I have enjoyed reading the comments in this topic!

Thanks!
tupawk

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Posted: Feb 18, 2007 9:19pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of tupawk  

I just came across this thread and there is lots of great advice in here.

I too have had the shakes for no apparent reason to me I felt fine, didn't feel nervous, etc... but the next thing I know my hands are shaking a little and at the end of the routine I notice my heart is thumping away.

I am definitely going to think about the tips posted in here next time I go to perform for someone.
Doc Magic

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Posted: Feb 19, 2007 12:09pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of Doc Magic  

Hey Brad funny thing is a lot of the decisions I make at work are life & death ones, but I don't ever get nervous about it. I find the reason for this is because I know the material so well. With magic it can be quite a different situation though. I do tend to get nervous and strongly agree with the point you made, that starting with an effect that you have down solid is the key. Getting started is the hard part, but once you’ve gotten into it and feel comfortable, it's generally smooth sailing from there (granted you've practiced enough). Thanks again for the great advice.

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Fraser Orr-Brown

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Posted: Mar 4, 2007 6:28pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of Fraser Orr-Brown  

Thanks a lot for posting this! I started shaking during a performance at my university earlier today and was wondering what the heck was happening...

I tried pausing for a moment and just letting my nerves stop rocking so hard but it's difficult in some ways because I'm a fast outgoing performer.

Anyway, this post has sure given me some things to think about and practice!

Thanks,
Fraser

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Andy the cardician

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Posted: Mar 5, 2007 7:17pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of Andy the cardician  

Part of the fear comes from insecurity. I therefore never perform a new trick without adequate practice. That certainly helps.

Andy

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MagiClyde

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Posted: Mar 5, 2007 10:24pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of MagiClyde  

I know that one thing that causes me problems is that I am working out of my comfort zone.

Another, not so well addressed, is the fact that when you do a trick for someone, it involves some level of deceit, aka lying. This is not something that comes naturally to me. In fact, I feel guilty doing it. To add to this, some people I knew in my youth considered it the work of the devil and that I would go to hell for doing it. Talk about adding to the pressure.

I am working to overcome these obstacles. By doing more stuff in front of lay people, I am slowly learning to make the act of performing tricks part of my comfort zone. Also, while some deceit is part of the performance, I realize that in the grand scheme of things, it won't hurt anyone. At least I'm not trying to rob or hurt anybody. It can make others feel good and bring some pleasure into other people's lives as well as my own. In the end, that's really what it's all about.

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MichielTummers

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Netherlands
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Posted: Mar 6, 2007 2:05am    Reply with quote   View Profile of MichielTummers  

Quote:

On 2007-03-05 19:17, Andy the cardician wrote:
Part of the fear comes from insecurity. I therefore never perform a new trick without adequate practice. That certainly helps.

Andy



ok Sure and what about the other part?

I'd take jaxxon s advice . Just think and say to urself ur the best performer out there. I got looser by it:)

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gardini

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Cornwall, Ontario, Canada
150 Posts
Posted: Mar 6, 2007 6:16am    Reply with quote   View Profile of gardini  

Hello,

As a former door to door salesman and sales manager, I had to get up in front of lots of different people, in all kinds of different situations. The best method I found to overcome the shakes was to keep imagining yourself in your best day, a day that everything just flowed threw you, that you did everything right and were happy before you walk in. By concentrating on all the positive feelings before you go in the fears and insecurities do not have a chance to build inside you. Keep reminding yourself that you are the most important person you'll ever know that you know what to do and say the people came to see you, your the expert.

I have known a lot of salesman who had great success with this technic, I hope it helps everyone here.

Good Luck

Gardini
Autumn Morning Star

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Blackfeet Nation
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Posted: Mar 6, 2007 3:06pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of Autumn Morning Star  

The only time I get the shakes is when I am performing close-up in front of other magicians. Otherwise, my shaky days seem long past. What helped me get through my shakes was to keep my hands in constant slow, fluid (tai-chi like) motion when they were not at my sides. The movement covered up any shakes.

I always made the moves seem necessary and a part of my routine or story, (not just waving my hands around like some sort of freak.) I ended up with so many comments on the graceful way I do magic! Now, when I see a magician that I mentored or trained in the magic shop I can see they use my smooth technique of graceful hand motion. It does look nice and just think: It was created to cover-up a pesky state of being!
Autumn

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"We are what we imagine. Our very existence consists in our imagination of ourselves... The greatest tragedy that can befall us is to go unimagined."
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Fraser Orr-Brown

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Posted: May 20, 2008 5:58pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of Fraser Orr-Brown  

So it's been over a year now since I remember reading this note. I've got to thank you again for adding this. It's been great advice and it's helped a lot.
I don't think that I've struggled with this for a long while now.

Thanks,
Fraser

I want to go far...
clarissa35f

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Posted: May 20, 2008 6:10pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of clarissa35f  

I would Like to thank Ron, Brad, Autumn Morningstar, etc for posting this, there are times especially when I am trying an effect for the very first time in front of non-family, and non-friends (AKA Captive audiences) that I get light headed, and shaky, hands quiver. It is awesome that people of your caliber come by here with all this welcomed input. Thanks

Quote:

On 2006-05-09 15:23, Jaxon wrote:

· An extreme solution
This is a possible thing to try for those who have a very serious problem with nervousness. Why not build on your nervousness? Believe it or not this can actually help you overcome your nervousness. Just flat out tell your audience that you are nervous. Maybe even do an act based on it. I even know one guy who made a little gimmick that makes it look like he pee’d his pants. The simple fact that you tell them you’re nervous will make them wonder if it’s just part of the act. By the time they stop wondering you might not even be nervous anymore. Why not, we magicians are known for being “honest liars”.




Ron Jaxon
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I'll have to remember this one... Honest liars...I like that.

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Professionals practice until they can’t get it wrong.” <Anonymous>
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GamingNinja

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Hayward, CA
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Posted: May 22, 2008 6:17pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of GamingNinja  

I was going to make a topic about this, but then I spotted this one.


I've always been introverted, I avoid strangers, walk around with headphones on all day so I don't have to talk to people, etc.

Tried to change it some years back, jumped into Law Enforcement where I'd HAVE to interact with people daily. Relocated and had my son and now I'm doing hotel security, but still having to interact with people. I was awesome as a cop just never said more than I had to. When I worked in corrections, I was that quiet one. I can safely say...........its not getting any better. >_<

I only say just enough to get by, half the staff at work swore I was a mute for well over a month when I started. Now I'm supervisor and I have to talk with managers every day, but I do that in email form.
Started with magic about 6 months ago in hopes of forcing myself out of my shell to perform in front of strangers, to actually be social, funny, amazing. I can safely say.............that hasn't worked either.

I can laugh and perform no problems for my 3 friends and my husband, but the second they call someone else over, I just about run for it, fiddle with stuff, come up with some excuse to why I can't show anything. "Huh? Oh, my son is calling me!"
*runs*

Its frustrating honestly. There's obviously something wrong here besides a case of stage fright. O_o
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