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CardShark2004
Regular user
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Posted: Jul 4, 2006 4:29pm
Cards by Martin per the advice of some forum members seems to be the best.
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Julie
Inner circle
2298 Posts
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Posted: Jul 4, 2006 6:30pm
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On 2006-07-04 16:29, CardShark2004 wrote:
Cards by Martin per the advice of some forum members seems to be the best.
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That's not necessarily so...the factory Bikes are probably the most practical for most Magicians and you definitely can't beat the price!
Julie
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cajmagic
Loyal user
Long Beach, California
235 Posts
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Posted: Jul 9, 2006 12:19pm
OK OK
I have a question
How much free time do you have to have to make a $5 stripper deck?
Caj Brejtfus
CajMagic and the CAJ Deck of Magic Gaff Cards
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silverking
Inner circle
4375 Posts
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Posted: Jul 9, 2006 3:19pm
Comparing a $5.00 stripper to a $40.00 or $50.00 handmade stripper is really comparing two completely different types of deck, with two completely different types of use.
But......I've said it before and here I go again. ALL normal Bicycles are cut off centre, how much is just a matter of degree.
Cutting your own strippers on the "wide" margin will actually even the cards out and make them appear completely square to the design on the back of the card.
Since the wide margin has to be examined by eye card by card, this simple tactic can't work with a machine cut deck.
Simply put, a Line-Lo (or Porper if you're loaded!) cutter and a careful trimming job followed by a re-rounding of all corners will exceed by a wide margin ANYTHING you can buy off the shelf.
If the off-the-shelf Bicycle strippers suit your needs, then you're laughing and in no need of gearing up to make handcrafted strippers.
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Paul H
Inner circle
UK South Coast
1113 Posts
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Posted: Jul 12, 2006 1:33pm
Hi Silverking,
I notice you mention N Strippers or 'negative' stripper. This type of stripper deck is described in detail in Sal Piacente's new Poker Cheats DVD's although I believe he refers to them as 'in strippers' which is not the same thing. Also, the book Sharps and Flats by John Maskelyne published in 1896 has a great cutting tool for creating N Strippers. It looks like they have been around for a long time. They are extremely deceptive if VERY difficult to handle and the deck is almost microscopically examinable. However, I'm not sure what the application to magic would be over above the easier to handle strippers and belly's?
Regards,
Paul H
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silverking
Inner circle
4375 Posts
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Posted: Jul 12, 2006 3:02pm
I always feel uncomfortable talking about N-Strippers, as hustlers are quite determined to keep them from being widely tipped.
But an "N-Stripper" and an "In-Stripper" are two different things.
The device in Sharps and Flats, as well as one made by Auke Van Dokkum can be used to make "In Strippers", or "Belly Ins" which are both exactly the same thing.
You couldn't make "N-Strippers" with the rig in Sharps and Flats, at least without making a major modification.
Most hustlers (at least the ones I know) make N-Strippers by hand, without using any major mechanical devices.
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Paul H
Inner circle
UK South Coast
1113 Posts
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Posted: Jul 13, 2006 2:02am
I agree about talking this through on a public forum. I will PM you.
Regards,
Paul H
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AlanSands
New user
17 Posts
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Posted: Feb 7, 2012 9:38am
Some of you might find the decks of cards I sell interesting as an alternative to a tapered stripper deck.
Go to http://alansands.com/store/georgesands/ and look at my web site. My father manufactured belly strippers to a very high tolerance. They would only be good for one effect with the pre-sorted deck, when used as a belly stripper - but they will do the trick!
Someone in another post described belly strippers using parenthesis.( ) - )( - that would be accurate, but of course exaggerated.
My late father, George Sands, stood next to a machinist and had a custom die made to make an excellent precision deck of cards for two effects he created using them.
If you buy the straight (full) decks, when you sort them you end up with two decks that do the same routine (just opposite of each other in the way they are cut and sorted) so one can buy two decks and sort their own tricks one concave and one convex deck), or I sell the pre-sorted decks for the two routines my dad did with them.
I like to describe them as: One deck is shaved like a woman's body or hourglass, the other deck is shaved like a man's body.
To detect the gaff, you have to really look for it and hold the cards up to the light to detect the shaved edges.
They are extremely well made. George had been a machinist once so he knew what was possible and was very particular about having them made so precisely. Check them out 100% money back guarantee
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Expertmagician
Inner circle
2098 Posts
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Posted: Feb 7, 2012 9:16pm
Wedge strippers are generally terrible and easy to detect.
Belly strippers are good.
Porper sold a machine to make belly strippers, etc.
http://www.porperoriginals.com/misc_rounder.htm
N-Strippers are best. VERY deceptive....and next to impossible to detect.
But, the jig to make them is expensive (But, less expensive than the Porper trimmer)....the Porper trimmer is not good to make N-Strippers.
NOTE: N-Stripers are overkill for most magicians unless they are doing gambling expose routines.
I hope this makes sense.
Long Island,
New York
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hofzinser
Veteran user
373 Posts
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Posted: Feb 15, 2012 8:50pm
www.thecardplant.com
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Expertmagician
Inner circle
2098 Posts
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Posted: Feb 19, 2012 8:25am
I do not know "thecardplant", but I did look at his product offerings over the internet...I have not seen the quality in real life.
If I wanted belly strippers, I would go with his 2 deck version, so you can vary which cards you want to strip from performance to performance or from deck to deck. Bear in mind that the 2 deck version I really designed to give you one complete belly stripper deck.
You also have MANY more permutations to play with as your needs change.
BOTTOM LINE: If you do not have the equipment to make your own Belly or N-Strippers then buying a pre-made deck is your best choice.
However, "making your own" is significantly better because you have complete control over how strong or weak the work is put into the cards. You also can train yourself with several decks (strong, medium and light) to be an expert in working with strippers.
Another advantage is that you can strip BOTH the wide and narrow edges of the cards to control 2 different sets of cards in the same deck 
Finally, cost may be an issue...at $30 - $75 per deck you can pay for a belly stripper card cutter OR better yet an N-Stripper Jig pretty quickly.
As you can see, I am in favor of buying the equipment to make your own....it tends to be a better long term investment AND it only takes an hour or less to make a deck.
Long Island,
New York
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Rory111
New user
53 Posts
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Posted: May 1, 2012 1:27pm
Todd Lassen is now offering Custom Negative Stripper Decks:
http://coolotis.wordpress.com/2012/04/23/custom-negative-stripper-deck-service-now-available/
Never really heard much about these before...... But if he's making them, I'm sure they'll be nice.
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Expertmagician
Inner circle
2098 Posts
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Posted: May 5, 2012 9:59am
I find it interesting that he is selling n-strippers. Since pulling n-strippers is different than pulling regular strippers. I find it difficult to believe that he is tipping the secret behind pulling the n-strippers for $35 when you buy a deck.
I wonder if he is going to the effort to reseal the deck like new ?
also one of the things which add to the deception is that n-strippers do take practice to use.
Long Island,
New York
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The Dowser
Special user
Canada
676 Posts
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Posted: May 7, 2012 1:05pm
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On 2012-02-07 21:16, Expertmagician wrote:
....the Porper trimmer is not good to make N-Strippers.
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The new (die cutting) version is Great for making N-strippers... every bit as fine as the common method and completely consistent from one card to the next.
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hofzinser
Veteran user
373 Posts
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Posted: May 7, 2012 3:59pm
"I find it difficult to believe that he is tipping the secret behind pulling the n-strippers for $35 when you buy a deck."
Secrets? Not many of those left.
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bobon
Regular user
Hyderabad .India
157 Posts
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Posted: May 11, 2012 5:19am
This ones are pretty good.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bicycle-David-Blaine-Discovery-Stripper/dp/B0055NC20S
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Jon_Thompson
Inner circle
Darkest Cheshire
2103 Posts
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Posted: May 23, 2012 8:14am
I need to order some USPCC stripper decks, and I noticed that there's a "David Blaine Discovery (Stripper) deck". Does anyone know how it differs?
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AltonThrash
Special user
Ridgeland, MS
575 Posts
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Posted: May 23, 2012 9:28am
I bought some bellys(2 deck set) from Gary Plants (the card plant) and am very satisfied.
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Zack_Johnston
Regular user
California
184 Posts
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Posted: Mar 21, 2013 12:14am
Magic Geek has wonderfully cut ones.
If you want to see some videos demonstrating the Stripper Deck, this channel has a series on it:
http://www.youtube.com/user/ZacharySJohnston/videos
God bless,
Zachary A. Johnston
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ZoOpDoG
New user
Charleston, SC
35 Posts
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Posted: Mar 23, 2013 1:50pm
I always use the stripper called "Original Bicycle Stripper Deck" from Magic Makers. I prefer blue as I feel it draws less attention than other colors. I have handed these decks to the audience post performacnce and noone who is unaware of magic techniques has ever noticed the gaff. They retail about $12.95. Everyones hobbies are different but I do not have enough free time to make a product that I can buy for a few dollars more. by using Bicycle it makes it easy to switch decks throughout a performance from normal to gaff and then back. Most people I know that make their own do it because they enjoy doing it. Most people without a lot of time and experince (not all) will create multiple flaws when cutting - making it easier to spot and poor performance. In general - the only decks I would recommend refurbishing or making yourself (other than collectable decks) are ones that use roughing solution - as it will wear out before the cards do. that's just me though.
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Zack_Johnston
Regular user
California
184 Posts
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Posted: Mar 23, 2013 7:34pm
"Original bicycle Stripper Deck" is the deck that this guy in this channel uses to perform Stripper Deck effects:
http://www.youtube.com/user/ZacharySJohnston/videos
In his description boxes, he also recommends the Stripper Deck from Magic Geek that is $7.50, and he says it works well. (The link to that particular deck is in his description boxes for his Stripper deck series.)
http://www.youtube.com/user/ZacharySJohnston/videos
God bless,
Zachary A. Johnston
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