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Memory-Jah
Inner circle
Hannover/Germany
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Posted: Sep 28, 2006 9:51am
Yeah, that's my question. I am unsure which one to go. Any suggestions? I personally tend to take the animated, which are offered at Hocus-Pocus, since it is said it can be done in shorts. I am not sure which one has advantages and disadvantages.
Thanks a lot.
Jah
"Dropping your pants while you set off flash paper may allow your pass to go undetected, but it's still not invisible." - Count Elmsley
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mrunge
Inner circle
Charleston, SC
3474 Posts
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Posted: Sep 28, 2006 9:58am
I haven't seen the Animated Shoelace effect so I can't offer a comparison.
I do, however, have the Self Tying Shoelace effect and it gets great reactions from spectators when they see it.
Hopefully, others will be able to compare the two.
Mark.
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Memory-Jah
Inner circle
Hannover/Germany
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Posted: Sep 28, 2006 10:51am
I hope so too. Thank you very much, Mark!
"Dropping your pants while you set off flash paper may allow your pass to go undetected, but it's still not invisible." - Count Elmsley
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Redsixer
Regular user
140 Posts
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Posted: Sep 28, 2006 1:11pm
I have both, and I prefer self tying shoelaces. For the fact that your shoe can be examined after it is tied. Its is nice to be clean at the end of the effect. Animated is cool because it can be done with shorts, but you are dirty after the magic happens.
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Memory-Jah
Inner circle
Hannover/Germany
1202 Posts
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Posted: Sep 28, 2006 3:50pm
That's a big help, redsixer. But now, I am torn between 2 choices, lol. Both sounds good/bad.
The question is of course, will I ever use it in shorts? Maybe in summer yes,
but ending clean is always good of course...hm
By the way, did anyone ever ask you to examine your shoe?
"Dropping your pants while you set off flash paper may allow your pass to go undetected, but it's still not invisible." - Count Elmsley
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John Gerard
Regular user
Guam
176 Posts
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Posted: Sep 28, 2006 4:41pm
I do STS, but I want to get the animated ones as well. The reason for it is because people who I've shown STS to often ask me to perform it again. Now of course, given the method it is very difficult for me to set up in front of them. Animated Shoelaces allows for performance on the spot. If I did STS before and had them examine the shoe, I have a feeling that they won't ask to examine it the next time.
My advice...get both!
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ofrmagic
Regular user
182 Posts
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Posted: Sep 28, 2006 5:51pm
I agree, you shoud buy both sets, one shoe with sts and the other one with animated. That way, you always ready for a double wammy.
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TannerJade
Veteran user
Canada
307 Posts
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Posted: Sep 28, 2006 7:05pm
I prefer the ASL, it is just genious! You can do it several times in a row.
Tanner
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SoCalPro
Inner circle
Southern California
1597 Posts
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Posted: Sep 29, 2006 12:20am
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On 2006-09-28 16:41, John Gerard wrote:
I do STS, but I want to get the animated ones as well. The reason for it is because people who I've shown STS to often ask me to perform it again. Now of course, given the method it is very difficult for me to set up in front of them. Animated Shoelaces allows for performance on the spot. If I did STS before and had them examine the shoe, I have a feeling that they won't ask to examine it the next time.
My advice...get both!
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Do NOT do it twice!! The first time is entertainment and the second is an education. Always leave them wanting more.
JIM
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late night diner
Regular user
120 Posts
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Posted: Sep 29, 2006 2:12am
Plus, wouldn't it look suspicious that BOTH your shoes are untied at the same time(no to mention unprofessional)
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John Gerard
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Posted: Sep 29, 2006 2:38am
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On 2006-09-29 00:20, SoCalPro wrote:
Do NOT do it twice!! The first time is entertainment and the second is an education. Always leave them wanting more.
JIM
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I just re-read my post and realized that I didn't really mean to type that. I'll blame it on last-minute forum viewing before heading to work.
Actually I don't peform the same effect twice in a row. It's just that sometimes I get a request to perform it as I'm passing someone in the halls (I'm a teacher by day). Always this person is someone who heard from someone else that I can do a "shoelace trick". Sometimes a person who has seen me do STS asks to see it again on a separate occassion, but I almost always complain that it takes lots of leg strength and I am tired. Haha.
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Memory-Jah
Inner circle
Hannover/Germany
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Posted: Sep 29, 2006 5:24am
So if you are only perform it once, which one is more recommended? sts or as?
"Dropping your pants while you set off flash paper may allow your pass to go undetected, but it's still not invisible." - Count Elmsley
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SoCalPro
Inner circle
Southern California
1597 Posts
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Posted: Sep 29, 2006 5:34am
STS because they are going to want to examine your shoe.
JIM
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Siclone
New user
60 Posts
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Posted: Oct 9, 2006 12:05am
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Do NOT do it twice!! The first time is entertainment and the second is an education. Always leave them wanting more.
JIM
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Did you create that quote Jim? It should be in a book, nonetheless I'm going to use it all the time from now on.
It can be used for all instances, like college.
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John Gerard
Regular user
Guam
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Posted: Oct 9, 2006 4:07am
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On 2006-09-29 05:24, Memory-Jah wrote:
So if you are only perform it once, which one is more recommended? sts or as?
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I'd go for the STS as well.
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SoCalPro
Inner circle
Southern California
1597 Posts
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Posted: Oct 9, 2006 12:20pm
Siclone,
No, I did not create that, although I wish I did! 
John, definatly the STS. I have a friend that bought the ASL and put it in his magic junk drawer immediately upon receiving it. He said that it just LOOKS like it's tied. With the STS, it is REALLY tied.
JIM
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bond_jmesbond007
New user
India
70 Posts
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Posted: Oct 10, 2006 1:40am
I have the self tying shoe lace and would love to learn the animated shoe lace effect. I'll order for one right away.
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djrdjr
Loyal user
Austin, TX
226 Posts
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Posted: Oct 10, 2006 6:24pm
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On 2006-10-09 12:20, SoCalPro wrote:
I have a friend that bought the ASL and put it in his magic junk drawer immediately upon receiving it. He said that it just LOOKS like it's tied. With the STS, it is REALLY tied. |
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Right. And that Zombie ball just LOOKS like it's floating, and that girl just LOOKS like she has been sawed in half.
I prefer the Animated Shoelaces because it looks as good as STS, but STS is so ridiculously easy to figure out.
--Dale
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SoCalPro
Inner circle
Southern California
1597 Posts
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Posted: Oct 10, 2006 6:30pm
Riiiiiiight, ya, well, I've been doing STS for a couple of months now and haven't been caught, yet. I've even had a girl reach down and UNTIE my laces and tell me "do that again". If I would have been wearing the ASL I would have been busted BIG time.
To each his own.
JIM
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djrdjr
Loyal user
Austin, TX
226 Posts
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Posted: Oct 11, 2006 10:52pm
And what was her reaction when you couldn't immediately do it again?
Glad you're doing well with it, SoCal.
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SoCalPro
Inner circle
Southern California
1597 Posts
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Posted: Oct 11, 2006 10:57pm
I just told her what every good magician would tell her. Magicians don't do the same trick twice!
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Paul Jester
Special user
UK
753 Posts
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Posted: Oct 14, 2006 7:58pm
People want to check your shoes??? eww! That's nasty!
Paul
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Diavo
Veteran user
The District
354 Posts
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Posted: Oct 16, 2006 11:48am
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On 2006-10-14 19:58, Paul Jester wrote:
People want to check your shoes??? eww! That's nasty!
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I'm wondering about that. I don't have the trick, FYI. But if you do this and people want to inspect your shoes, are you presenting it wrong?
I'm imagining someone doing tricks for a group, then bending over and untying their shoe lace (unprofessional?) and standing up & saying "Watch!" in their best David Blainey voice, then it reties. Then everyone gasps, says "Lemme see your shoe!" and the magician unties it, takes it off, and hands it to them to check out. He stands there on one foot waiting to get his shoe back.
WTF?!
Should it not be more like: you're doing tricks and your shoe is already untied, in between tricks you look down, snap your finger, and everyone sees your shoe lace tie itself, then you delve back into the tricks at hand?
Or is that asking too much?
I'm not just a magician, I'm an interpreter of Reality.
Underground, above ground, whatever. I don't need a label, thanks.
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Siclone
New user
60 Posts
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Posted: Oct 16, 2006 12:31pm
I think, and it's been mentioned, that the STS will have the greatest impact when someone tells you "your shoes are untied."
And it's totally possible, I can imagine doing an ACR with one shoe untied and then all the sudden someone from the crowd tells me...that's when it'll really appear magical.
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Paul Jester
Special user
UK
753 Posts
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Posted: Oct 16, 2006 2:29pm
You have to ask yourself why, in the middle of your no doubt amazing magic, someone would notice your shoe? And then why, in the middle of your no doubt engaging presentation, would they interupt you to tell you it was untied?
And if you do point it out and they check it, because people love to handle other peoples footwear, then are you going to bend down and tie them up by hand?
Paul,
p.s. but obviously it's a wonderful trick, an essential tool in every magicians arsenal, question is, why ACR, again?
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Siclone
New user
60 Posts
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Posted: Oct 16, 2006 2:46pm
I used it as an instance, now that I think of it, it probably wasn't the best situation, but point being, is the trick is best initiated when it's pointed out to you.
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SoCalPro
Inner circle
Southern California
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Posted: Oct 16, 2006 3:06pm
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On 2006-10-16 11:48, Diavo wrote:
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On 2006-10-14 19:58, Paul Jester wrote:
People want to check your shoes??? eww! That's nasty!
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I'm wondering about that... I don't have the trick, FYI. But if you do this and people want to inspect your shoes, are you presenting it wrong??
I'm imagining someone doing tricks for a group, then bending over and untying their shoe lace (unprofessional?) and standing up & saying "Watch!" in their best David Blainey voice, then it reties. Then everyone gasps, says "Lemme see your shoe!" and the magician unties it, takes it off, and hands it to them to check out. He stands there on one foot waiting to get his shoe back.
WTF?!
Should it not be more like: you're doing tricks and your shoe is already untied, in between tricks you look down, snap your finger, and everyone sees your shoe lace tie itself, then you delve back into the tricks at hand?
Or is that asking too much? ;P ;P
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Diavo,
It doesn't work like that. You start out with the shoe untied. I do this all the time. Sometimes even during a (smaller) stand up show. I'll start my show then notice that it is untied. I'll usually ask the audience, "How do you tie your shoe? Double loops, double knots" etc. I then proceed to show them just how I do it. It ALWAYS gets a BIG reaction. I've only had one person actually touch my shoe, trying to figure it out.
This isn't something you'll do at every table or even every gig but it is a GREAT effect to have to be able to do for that "Special" occasion when you really want to hit them between the eyes (not with the laces of course).
I just wished they made one for the left shoe. 
JIM
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illusiOHN
New user
65 Posts
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Posted: Oct 16, 2006 3:18pm
I have both STS and ASL.
While both have pros and cons, STS wins overall in my opinion because of what someone has already mentioned: the shoelaces are obviously tied and clean when you are done, and you can easily go on to something else.
I have performed STS over and over and over again in a variety of locations. It is EXTREMELY easy to have with you and ready to set up quickly. I get great reactions because people aren't expecting what happens. When done, you are visibly clean and the laces are tied.
There are only two cons to STS:
1.) You must wear pants (you can't wear shorts)
2.) There is a slight noise issue that requires misdirection or background noise to help cover it
ASL is more cumbersome in my opinion. You do not end as clean. It isn't as easy to continue on to something else.
The beauty of these lace tying illusions is that someone notices your laces while you are doing something else, you magically tie them, and you continue visiting or performing. However, you cannot easily do that with ASL because of how it ends.
Like always, it is difficult to fully explain without exposure. You cannot see these performance issues from the demo video because the video ends right after the laces are "tied."
I've had PM's with the creator, who offers a solution that he uses: buy an additional gimmick material that wasn't included in the package to help keep the illusion intact after you are done. I haven't been able to find the item that he suggested, so I cannot comment on its workability. He has had good luck, however. Perhaps that additional gimmick should be included with the trick.
ASL has a couple of pros: it can be done in shorts, and it is quiet. It is a fantastic concept.
PS: I agree with Jim--people *DO* want to see your laces after you perform. With STS, you can raise your foot and lift your pantleg to clearly show the laces tied.
Both are good effects, but personally I've found STS more useable.
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kauaiimagic7301990
Loyal user
San Antonio
280 Posts
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Posted: Nov 6, 2006 1:00am
For anyone who is still reading this. I had a kind of funny incident where I work, I performed the STS and after the performance my shoes end up missing. It turned up latter that day when a co worker brought back my shoes with the laces taken out and a little frayed. I was ok with this because I am prepared and have replacements at my home. But to think if I had the ASA oh I would be busted.
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evolve629
Inner circle
A stack of
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Posted: Nov 6, 2006 10:51am
It's approaching winter here in MN and STS is more seasonal suited until warmer weather comes again..
One hundred percent of the shots you don't take don't go in - Wayne Gretzky
My favorite part is putting the gaffs in the spectators hands...it gives you that warm fuzzy feeling inside! - Bob Kohler
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