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HypnotizeAmerica Veteran user 399 Posts |
Dan:
I agree with you 100% he is giving his life away for pennies instead of dollars. It is his choice but heck even if he just charged $1 per update (almost everyone would pay that for sure) he could make some money for his time instead of giving it away for free. His choice. Flame away if you must. |
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ElliottB Inner circle 3250 Posts |
This is starting to sound like that Sanctum thread
Pricing is my call. That said, feel free to send me as much as you like. I’ve never been one to turn down cold hard cash. A couple million would be really nice. |
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HypnotizeAmerica Veteran user 399 Posts |
I know pricing is your choice Elliott, that is why I said it was your choice. Course if my friends saw me doing something stupid like throwing money in a toilet and flushing it or working at a job for no pay then I'd hope they would say something.
Enjoy the praise and best of luck. Tim PS: I haven't been to the Sanctum in over a year, hell up until a week ago I forgot about this place again. But I got what I needed so off to the abyss for a while again shortly. |
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ElliottB Inner circle 3250 Posts |
I was referring to the 7/26/07 Sanctum thread you started, titled “Why do we cheat ourselves?”, on this very subject.
I would not jump to assume that I am "doing something stupid." I am building customer satisfaction and continuously adding content and value to the book. I have no particular interest in making a couple hundred dollars selling little e-books for a few weeks at a time. Ultimately, I plan to have a comprehensive product that people will still buy and read five years from now. That’s not “stupid.” It’s long term planning. |
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HypnotizeAmerica Veteran user 399 Posts |
Actually E this thread isn't like that one - cause I didn't start it. Your customers are telling you to charge more and let them pay for updates, not me.
Look at Richard Osterlind. He charges for every update/addition of his product. No one thinks less of him for it. Hell I just dropped some serious money on his DVD series - all of them. And if I like them I bet I pony up for some of his ebooks, and if I like those then I'll buy more of his stuff. It is called a business backend and is where the real money is made in business. He isn't giving it away, and you shouldn't either. You want to add stuff on, fine do it but get paid for your work. Once you get the $20 then from that moment on you're working for free for the rest of the time in the relationship until you produce a new product to sell to them for more money. Think about how many updates you've done on the book 5,10,20? Now figure out how many people have bought the book to date. Now set a price - say a buck per person who has bought the book and per update. There is the amount of money you have left on the table THAT OTHERS WOULD OF BEEN MORE THAN HAPPY TO PAY FOR. They all say you should charge more and charge for the update, not me. Now I don't know if you're married or not but I know that if I take time away from my family money is involved. I don't do free shows and I don't sell my time with my family at a discount. It's like going to McDonalds. They'll let you supersize your meal but it isn't free, everything extra cost. People expect it and don't have a problem paying for it. I'm not going to convince you of this and that is your call. In fact I might have a better chance of getting the blind to see but I hope I can help someone else who is thinking of giving away their time and talent away for far too little or worse free. Remember your worth. Seriously E, best of luck. And good memory on the other thread, I had totally forgotten about that place and the thread. I wish you nothing but the best and I hope one day in your oceans of millions you can call me up from your yacht and tell me I was wrong. |
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Dan McLean Inner circle Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur 1261 Posts |
Can I take back my post?
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HypnotizeAmerica Veteran user 399 Posts |
No Dan you can't this is all your fault ;-)
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Jon Hackett Special user UK 737 Posts |
Really, a simple gesture turning into someone lecturing a class act on how to run their own finances. And please, don't respond to this because I have no interest in arguing.
Elliott, the only work that is on the same standard of your in terms of an ebook in my opinion is the workers series, you are entirely right, I would be the FIRST to buy any of your future products. There aren't enough gems in this ludicrously large magic world anymore, but Elliott is one of them. Jon Hackett
It is not the brains that matter most, but that which guides them -- the character, the heart, generous qualities and progressive ideas. Doystoyevsky
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muse Special user Scotland 925 Posts |
Elliott determines the price, but we determine the value. Sometimes doing something just for the sheer professional pride in doing it is enough. Lucky us.
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drswoboda New user Milwaukee, WI 78 Posts |
I just purchased this eBook. It is a tremendous value and the author should pat himself on the back for a job well done.
-David
—"Honest to Goodness, I Only Cheat a Little" - Max Malini (1873-1943), Illusionist
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Aaron Little Loyal user Lexington KY 263 Posts |
ElliottB - I just purchased SwitchCraft after reading all of this thread. I am looking forward to diving in head first. This is new ground for me and I beleive that your book is going to provide a most excellent road map.
Thank you for all that you have done here. |
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ElliottB Inner circle 3250 Posts |
Dan, I wouldn’t want you to take back the post. It initiated a discussion, which kept this thread visible and helped me sell a few books. That is definitely a good thing.
David and Aaron, thank you again for purchasing Switchcraft and also for your kind posts. I very much appreciate it. Jon and Muse, thank you very much. I appreciate both your kind words and support for my position that pricing is ultimately my decision. HypnotizeAmerica, while I appreciate the economic advice, I will “stick to my guns” regarding my strategy for the supplements. Thanks again. Elliott |
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ElliottB Inner circle 3250 Posts |
I received a major contribution for “Secrets of the Masters” today from one of the top magicians around. Sweet!!
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Jon Hackett Special user UK 737 Posts |
Wow! Theres more material forth-coming, this is one of the best collections of mentalism - period.
Jon Hackett
It is not the brains that matter most, but that which guides them -- the character, the heart, generous qualities and progressive ideas. Doystoyevsky
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Garrad Elite user 446 Posts |
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On 2008-11-14 07:31, Jon Hackett wrote: I agree whole heartedly and don't even talk about value for money.
You might say reality is the result of complex negotiations between the observer and the observed. But that is simply a point of view.
Many Thanks Garrad |
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Dr. Eamon Inner circle ------------John Dream------------If you can Dream it, you can Do it! 1313 Posts |
I thought I had enough work on billets, but this topic is so positive about switchcraft AND Elliott I will order immediately and hope to become one of the satisfied customers that will buy whit thrust from him in the future too…
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Dr. Eamon Inner circle ------------John Dream------------If you can Dream it, you can Do it! 1313 Posts |
I´m glad I did…
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Magicsquared Inner circle 1262 Posts |
The book is an astonishingly good value. I agree he could charge a small fee for the supplements if he wanted. But the fact is every time he releases one this thread gets bumped and he presumably sells more copies of the full manuscript, so it's not exactly unsound business sense.
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Chris K Inner circle 2544 Posts |
Magicsquared nailed this on the head
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bob tripp New user 96 Posts |
A superlative powerful enough to describe the value of this offering is not available to me at this time,and may never be. I do wish it had a much higher price tag. Say, done on DVD at maybe $150.00 a whack. Although, I must say I do like it in printed form so I can study each illustration for as long as I like. BT
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