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archini Veteran user UK 313 Posts |
Sorry to hear that... You must have a duff one if the paint isn't right? It was fine on the samples I saw. Regarding the holder, it depends where you place it under the pad, it doesn't have to fit the page, no one should see it.... you cut it to fit the pad you use and to suit your requirements. (Some people are using longer text etc)
Hope that helps. John |
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ddhoudini New user Kansas City, MO 70 Posts |
John,
I just received mine. I watched your video on alakazaam. For the price, I thought it should come with a pad like the one you were holding, and with pre-printed certificates, where you just fill in the blank with the name. If I use a pad the size of the holder supplied, the holding position does seem awkward. I'll have to try cutting it up. But I like the effect. It's a clever device, and my 9 year old can do the trick. It's a great substitute for Don Wayne's Room Service. |
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
Title: Collard by John Archer
Medium: Trick Arena: Parlour, stage magi-mentalism Available: Any shop, distributed by Murphys Magic Supplies Alakazam Magic strikes again with Collard, based on the Al Korann Gold Medallion and Don Waynes Room Service. The routine is you have a stuffed dog (makes this great for older kids, in particular girls) with a collar but no tag because you cannot think of a good name. You have the audience members call out letters to make a short dog name but something unusual (the name I got the first time was ‘Waszo’) and you write it down on a certificate naming the toy dog. You then tell the audience you had a prediction about what they would name the dog, you show the tag has the name just came up with written on it. Tada! This kind of magic really plays well for audiences. It isn’t for kids because it is too obscure for them to care but older kids (over nine) and adults it works fine. You get the tag, what you need to get the trick done, and a special item needed to get in the position to do the routine. I liked it and think it is a nice little magi-mental piece (that is the term I came up for magic tricks that have a mentalist slant but really are not mentalism). The items are well made and the routine fairly easy to do, a little sleight of hand required at the end but with in the reach of pretty much everyone. I liked it and the teens I did it for enjoyed it as well. |
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ddhoudini New user Kansas City, MO 70 Posts |
MagicSanta,
my son was going to do the trick for his schoolmates - 2nd grade through third - at a school assembly as part of his magic show. do you think it will go over their heads? |
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
No, that should be fine. I'm talking four and five year olds cuz it isn't flashy enough. 2nd and 3rd with a stuffed critter should play well. Good luck to him!
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ddhoudini New user Kansas City, MO 70 Posts |
Thanks!
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Virungan Inner circle Here and There 1156 Posts |
The description of the props by Mushi (above) doesn't sound like the gear I received, which is top notch and works perfectly.
Why would you need a pad supplied with pre printed certificates? I found a secretary's shorthand pad that fit perfectly, and the more it looks like your own handwritten notes the better. In fact, I made up a more formal certificate using page maker which I had printed on card and have sitting on stage, and use the notepad to just take down the letters, then just show that to the spec when they join you and have them fill in the formal one as I get the dog. By the way, as a follow up from my earlier post, I did this for the animal shelter benefit show, used a live puppy- and it worked perfectly. At the end of the night, someone adopted the puppy, took home its certificate and the dog has a stupid name for life- KANGI! I guess it can thank John for that...
When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth...
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ddhoudini New user Kansas City, MO 70 Posts |
The pre-printed certificates adds to the air of authenticity in furtherance of teh premise of the gag. It's a "legal document" in the routine....
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archini Veteran user UK 313 Posts |
I guess that the answer is that I hope people will all make this there own with twists on the reasoning of the routine and the certificate. I don't want it to turn into the vanishing bandana where we hear the same patter from a million voices. Surely a trick should have space for variation and originality and it's not difficult to print some out on a PC if you so desire. Personally I like the charm of the fact that I have written out my own birth certificate for a pretend pet dog... having one printed looks too organised and set-up... (I know what I mean but not expressing it well)
There are lots of possible reasons why you have the dog and lots of reasons why you may need a name for it... You just need a justification for writing it down. Insurance/letter to your mother/Entering it into a pretend pet dog show.... etc etc. Make it your own. John |
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mushi New user Japan 52 Posts |
I think the prop I received is good for using in a real situation. But still I can't say this is top notch.
As a collector, I was disappointed at the quality. But as a performer, it will be no problem. Anyway, I'll use this prop. I would like to tell all who intend to buy the Collard that there is no reason to hesitate to buy this. You should buy this. |
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Tom Cutts Staff Northern CA 5925 Posts |
I found the prop to be extremely functional and easy to use. I especially like that the tag is in a different color of writing than the certificate, which leads off the track of what a first guess might be for your audience.
The built in charm of using a stuffed dog is a great theatrical move for a mentalism show. So often the doing of a mentalism piece can be dry and matter of fact. Collard gives your show immediate warm appeal. I highly recommend this. Great execution on the prop!!!!! |
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Kevin Wade Loyal user 225 Posts |
I received Collard a few days ago. I am completely happy with my purchase. I bought my big'O stuffed dog from ToysRUs today. John- I appreciate your suggestion regarding the hand written certificate. You just saved me some time.
I have no problem with the price. The routine is worth every penny! Thanks again John! Kevin |
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Magic Enhancer Inner circle Robert Haas 1805 Posts |
I must say that I am extremely happy with this purchase as well. it's a WONDERFUL effect, and has an amazing premise. I will be using it on a real dog myself.
This is so easy to do, and a wonderful effect. Your presentation will make this one killer. Great effect John! Robert Haas http://www.MagicEnhancer.com
Robert Haas
Magic Enhancer Quality magic products for the working professional. www.MagicEnhancer.com |
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Mike Doogan New user US (living in UK) 64 Posts |
I like the trick but I wouldn't be able to tell the gags like John.
I've had a couple of similar ideas in the past but never found the right presentation. Many have 'borrowed' my ideas though without full credit, but let's not go into that here. |
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samdan Special user 519 Posts |
Looks great but am really wondering how difficult the sleight of hand is for hobbyists who just do stuff for family and friends. Looks like a great effect for dinner party etc with a small dog but concerned with difficulty level. I don't mind practicing a bit but don't want anything too knuckle busting. Also, can it be repeated to basically the same people on a different night or is a one time per audience effect? Thanks for your assistance.
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Larry Davidson Inner circle Boynton Beach, FL 5270 Posts |
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On 2007-03-27 17:44, samdan wrote: Just wondering what your performing scenario is where you'd like to be able to perform a stand-up effect for the same people on a different night. |
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Mike Doogan New user US (living in UK) 64 Posts |
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On 2007-03-27 18:06, Larry Davidson wrote: Not a good idea to repeat this one for the same audience no matter what the circumstances. Mr Archer and I both agree on this. |
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samdan Special user 519 Posts |
Larry,
I really just do stuff at dinners with a lot of the same people. Often there are a mix of new people and the same ones as usual. So I am doing an effect that some have seen and others have not. I am carefull to only do those effects that have different results. I hope that answers your question. |
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Doug Peters Special user I have a life, so I only have 591 Posts |
I've noticed that all the example names so far are five letters long.
Is there any limitation inherent here? Could one have a seven-letter name, for example? thanks, Doug
"if you have any answers, it's time to ask harder questions!"
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spatrick Special user Tom Sawyer let me whitewash these 517 Posts |
It's best to keep the name to 4,5,or 6 letters to avoid drsgging out the routine but if you write really small you could get 7 letters on the tag.
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