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cheesewrestler Inner circle Chicago 1157 Posts 
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I am 99% certain it was Mac King who exposed the Phoa C&R silk. He did a "Mac King's School of Magic" segment on several WGM episodes, where he performed and then explained various "simple effects".
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts
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Mac King may have very well did, I have not seen it. I did see Tom Mullica do it on television as well.
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Dan Ford Special user Illinois 754 Posts
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Why do people expose these sort of tricks. Is it just to stroke there ego? Just asking.....
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Bob Sanders 1945 - 2024 Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts
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Dan, that is a good question.
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JNeal Inner circle I used to have 999 posts, now I have 1622 Posts
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It is a form of ego aggrandizement... But it usually comes from the show producer who says something like " can you come up with a trick you can teach? If so, I can use you in a mother segment which will give you more air time."
Almost never is it an idea of the performer himself.... Rather they 'go along to get along' and don't put up any counter suggestion....
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cheesewrestler Inner circle Chicago 1157 Posts
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It wasn't done out of malice I'm sure. The other things exposed were what many would consider "throwaway tricks". The Phoa C&R is in a different class, but whoever it was exposed it probably just thought of it as a quickie nobody cared about.
The important thing about this episode is that, watching the spectator's face, the effect even when done with minimal presentation created a sense of wonderment. And exposing the method, after the commercial break, destroyed that and created nothing but disappointment. |
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David Todd Inner circle 2328 Posts
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On Jan 21, 2015, wally wrote: I don't know if it's taught on video , but you can learn it in Tarbell as mentioned and I think it's also in Karl Fulve's book on handkerchief magic . You can watch if performed here by Scott Cervine, at the 0:51 mark: https://youtu.be/NbJZdz2fr_Q?t=51 Here it is performed by David Copperfield: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl0-sjkkDbw (I recall that Doug Henning also performed it one of his early television specials , but I can't find a clip online) And performed by the originator , Phoa Yan Tiong , starting at the 0:27 mark: https://youtu.be/Pq5p-egJMq4?t=27 Alternate version performed by Phoa Yan Tiong - https://youtu.be/ESNjOSw_epk?t=14 . |
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David Todd Inner circle 2328 Posts
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On Feb 9, 2015, cheesewrestler wrote: Quote:
On Feb 10, 2015, Bill Hegbli wrote: It was TM who exposed it , not Mac King. I think Mac did teach a simple trick where a paper napkin is torn and restored on one of the WGM shows , but no great damage done with that (other than to implant in the audience's mind the principle of a duplicate , but a duplicate is easily 'disproved' by most presentations of a torn & restored paper effect. ) . |
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R Don Regular user West Coast 197 Posts
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It might have been Oprah who asked Doug Henning to open
the silk up square when he was a guest.After he completed the Phoa version. He put it away. That was unexpected from her but maybe she was thinking that he could do so. |
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David Todd Inner circle 2328 Posts
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On Jun 28, 2015, R Don wrote: Ouch. Never saw that , but I can imagine it was a bit awkward . Performing for a talk show host who isn't necessarily sympatico with magicians can be a little bit dicey . It's partially because you're at a disadvantage on their home turf , they are in the dominate position if they want to exercise that option , to put the guest on the 'hot seat' ... think about Michael Ammar almost getting busted by David Letterman (also with a handkerchief trick , by the way) ... which would never have happened with Johnny Carson or Dick Cavett . I guess the lesson to take away is that it is better to perform something where you are totally clean at the end in those situations. |
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funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9987 Posts
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I have an effect called "Grin Reaper" in which a silk held between the fingers of an assistant is cut by a slashing sickle in a Halloween show,
The sticks also held next to the silk are cut but the silk is not. It was considered too dangerous by the audience of magicians. Now with the TV ad of people cutting their bills in half with swings swords and such it may be appreciated, plus the desire of young folk for blood and dismemberment in video games ... details of the this effect are free for the asking -- if accompanied by an appropriate letter indemnifying me from any unhappy results. 
If you are really gutsy you can have a spectator swing the sickle while you hold the silk and bundle of sticks ( fagot but that tern is unwise) You can even get your necktie "accidentally" caught up in the bundle. It is cut also if the sickle is sharp enough -- only the silk is undamaged. Such fun! and yes, the silk can be passed out afterwards or even be a borrowed scarf.
"the more one pretends at magic, the more awe and wonder will be found in real life." Arnold Furst
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David Todd Inner circle 2328 Posts
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On Jun 28, 2015, David Todd wrote: Here is Vito Lupo performing the trick: https://youtu.be/q3nat3X04Bg?t=3m56s . |
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damien666 Special user canada 513 Posts
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I saw Doug Henning perform this not too long before he died on a Canadian Late night talk show called 'Open Mike with Mike Bullard'. After the trick, Mike kept hassling him to open up the hank and to let him see it.. At which point Doug just put it in his pocket.
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wally Inner circle 1830 Posts
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Sorry for bringing this up again, Who sells a dvd with cut/ restored silk. Love this one-Phoa Yan Tiong Cut And Restored Silk
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john wills Special user 939 Posts
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Wally, Tabell Course.
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts
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On Dec 7, 2016, wally wrote: Wally, no DVD on this one, it is in Tarbell 6, 7, or 8, can't remember which book. The late Tom Mullica explained it on a television special years ago. It is in Phoa Yan Tiong books, if I remember correctly. He died in 2006, and here is his website, with many pictures and video. Been a while since I roamed it, but I think you will enjoy the oriental style magic. |
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wally Inner circle 1830 Posts
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Thank you, This must bean old website,Not sure if the explanation for cut restored silk is on the seasons dvd, http://phoakheming.biedmeer.nl/Webwinkel......ons.html
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts
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Wally, this version destroys a silk every time it is shown. So you would need a quantity of silks to perform this effect.
Many do not do it for that reason. Yes, that website is for the magic he performed in his act. If you took your time and watched many of his effects, that was what he performed all his working career. |
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Anatole Inner circle 1912 Posts
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Revisiting this thread...
I bought the Phoa "Cut-and-Restored Silk" at Tannen's back in the 1970's after Tony Spina demonstrated it for me. I was very disappointed to learn that a silk was destroyed each time it was performed, so I never added it to my repertoire. Some of the over-40--okay, over-50--members of the Café may remember a "Cut and Restored Silk" effect where a silk is placed in a kind of paper envelope. Then the paper was cut in half and the two halves separated to show that the silk is clearly in two halves. The two papers were re-aligned, and the magician took one of the ends hanging out and pulled the whole restored silk out of the paper--and then showed the paper to bee empty. I liked that version and did it for a while. I think it came out in the late 1940's and was a staple in catalogs for a long time. This video shows something similar to the one that I remember: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtEYjn43je4 Years later someone came out with a version with a two-piece black plastic cylinder where a silk was thread through. Then a pair of scissors cut through the two halves of the plastic cylinder. The two halves were separated with the two halves of the silk clearly hanging out of both of them. The two half cylinders were re-aligned, and the silk was pulled out restored. The nice thing about the version with a paper or plastic tube is that the silk is never really cut in two! With the plastic tube version, there's nothing to replace and it re-sets quickly. ----- Amado "Sonny" Narvaez
----- Sonny Narvaez
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joseph Eternal Order Please ignore my 17411 Posts
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Thanks, Sonny. That would be a nice
kids show effect...
"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler." (Einstein)...
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