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Alright, I like these DVD's. I think there is a lot of solid good material, as well as a lot of good advice from a seasoned pro. Only one thing really irks me, and that is the teaching method. I have both DVD's and while it works with some effects it really bothers me with the more complex effects such as Reset or the Rope routine. I think its a cool idea to do it with music, but maybe I am just use to the older teaching methods. I just think its really hard to nail some of the moves when your just watching him do it with some music going on and not saying one freakin word....


Anyone else feel this way?
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Yes great Dvd yet again. It is hard going through some of the routines silently but it got better as I persevered. The secrets of magic vol 1 &2 together amount to a great collection of very useful advice and practical presentations that challenge abd yet are great workers too.
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On 2007-08-02 00:08, Steven Leung wrote:
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On 2007-08-01 11:35, tian_ci wrote:
Krono's thanks for the assumption. How many have I downloaded? None, Nada, Nothing.

It is nice for me to watch, I've reported several file sharing sites to ellusionist. You should be thanking me instead of pointing the finger.

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Really? I reported that once to Ellusionist and that stupid person reply they cannot read Chinese and do not know what is it...

The freaking Bit Torrent icon is right on the screen and they know nothing!

How am I suppose to help the community? Buy my own flight ticket to the States and teach them how to search those BT torrents? What a joke!


If the MPAA and RIAA are having a hard time getting torrents removed from the web, how much success do you think Ellusionist will have?

David.
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If the MPAA and RIAA are having a hard time getting torrents removed from the web, how much success do you think Ellusionist will have?

David.


Sorry, I have no idea what you think about the word 'success.' All I know is 9 out of 10 beginner in magic these days learn by stealing instruction videos by any source available.

Succees sometimes is not calculate in terms of money.

I do not care if Ellusionist make US$10 million profit or not per year. If those 'Easy to do stealing techniques' not available your company may even earn 2 folds, even 3 folds more.

Besides, learn to perform magic are not equal to stealing ...

It is up to you to believe it or not, but I can tell you, hundreads of copies of magic videos are being shared for FREE each and every single day.

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On 2007-08-06 22:12, Steven Leung wrote:

Sorry, I have no idea what you think about the word 'success.' All I know is 9 out of 10 beginner in magic these days learn by stealing instruction videos by any source available.


You're original post complained that we didn't answer you, and as a result felt that you needed to educate us on how the internet works. I don't see however, how you managed to sneak in the sentence above when I was simply telling you, (and listen carefully), nothing can be done about torrents.

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On 2007-08-06 22:12, Steven Leung wrote:
Succees sometimes is not calculate in terms of money.

Perhaps. Success is also measured in the achievement of your goals. If your goal is to make money. Success! If your goal is to become a magician. Success! If your goal is to shut down torrent sites and magic-related filetrading methods.... good luck. We do what we can, but even a smart person knows to fight the battles you have a chance of winning.

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I do not care if Ellusionist make US$10 million profit or not per year. If those 'Easy to do stealing techniques' not available your company may even earn 2 folds, even 3 folds more.


See previous sentences.

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Besides, learn to perform magic are not equal to stealing ...
It is up to you to believe it or not, but I can tell you, hundreads of copies of magic videos are being shared for FREE each and every single day.

Peace,


And performing a bad double-lift isn't criminal.. but it should be a crime. Like I said, it's out there, and everyone knows it. As previously stated ... if the MULTI-BILLION dollar music and movie industry's aren't able to shut these sites down, then what makes you think a small magic company can?

Perhaps we should fly over to where you are and teach you about economics. What a joke!

... oh.. that was sarcasm by the way.

Now how about getting this thread back on topic?

David.
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Mr. Kronos9326,

I do not need your Economics 101, check your PM, my discussion about ilegal download ends here.

You want my review, well, I give you mine:

Buy it. It is an excellent DVD, compare with those teaching you a single trick for US$30 or more, this is a real bargain.
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Steven:

Thank you. I agree with everything you say regarding this video.

David.
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Is this DVD only being sold through Ellusionist? If so, that's really disappointing.
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Illegal downloads make me think about glass houses and of how ellusionist took (without asking) other people's material and used it to turn a profit.
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Ellusionist is saying they have exclusive rights to the North America release. Available at 9:00 am (Pacific Standard Time) 7/31/07.

Makes me wonder what happens with everyone who pre-ordered from other sites...


I got a letter from Hank Lee a couple days ago saying that he will credit or refund all pre-orders for this DVD. He is also giving everyone who pre-ordered a $15 gift certificate, and is offering to pay postage if you choose to pick another DVD of equal value.

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Does it count if I meant to order it from Hank Lee but forgot?

Aghh shucks.
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Now e is taking advantage of the foreigners who don't know their schtick
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I like the card spin he does in the card to mouth routne
looks like a hot shot without the cuttting?
I have had a play around with this but with no luck....
anyone no where I can learn this move?
thanks again!
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His first DVD secrets of magic Vol 1 was outstanding, one of the the best I had seen in a very long time. After getting Vol 2, which of course I was very excited to see. It seemed to me, that his vol 1 was a composite of years of his magic, being boiled down to a few hours and vol 2 is what was leftover along with more advice.

It is also possible he was pushed to rush vol 2. The second one, had the same quality camera work, but It just wasn't as strong as the first vol when it comes to the choices of material.
I learn a lot of French magic, and when I first came across David stone’s stuff, It was interesting, but I found the way he talked very annoying. Quickly learning why there was a term “Froggy French”. In his most current releases, he is much better to listen to speaking English.

David stone's DVDs are much more valuable than just a mere composite of tricks. Anyone who performs will know, to Debug or workout things in a magic a routine can waste a month sometimes years of your life trying to perfect routines. David Stones routines are clean and powerful. It shows all of his experience has boiled down to this production. The real value is in the way his routines are constructed and a great example of how to design great magic. These Will be sure to become listed as classic “must learn” Dvd
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Besides, his Coin Magic Tape 1 & 2 (Now in DVD format) has many great gems in Coin Magic that make misdirection the strongest weapon of David Stone, check them out and you will not be disappointed.
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I too got the impression it was what was "left over" from vol 1
I had read somewhere that it was filmed at the same time as vol 1
its still a good dvd, with good advice in there too
the best effect for me to perform was his version of the triumph effect, cant remember he title?
in the first dvd he says about how the effects must be suitable for: walkaround, surrounded, in the hands, no table etc....
well there isn't quite so much on the 2nd vol that meet all those requirments
even all that said, not production
entertaining to watch
and I'm sure there are a few effecs for everyone in there.....
vol 3 david?
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Just have to say, as a relatively new member of the community, I really enjoyed Vol. 1 and if Vol. 2 is similar (even if it is some of the "left over" material from Vol. 1) I'm really looking forward to it. Now if I could only do a classic coin palm like David Stone..........
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hey guys I don't mean to be argumentative but I disagree slightly on the basis you believe this dvd is has left over tricks from vol 1 in fact I think some of his greatest work is on vol 2 his handling of card to mouth double shoe production snap change and his reset. I must admit I've been waiting desperatly to learn the handling of quite a few of his tricks. these effects are on david's day to day repetoir which he performs at most live events I can also say most of his effects once viewed for the umpteenth time still blew me away both dvd's included.

p.s. does anyone know if there is a good review yet I would have thought one would have been released fairly soon after people had received it.
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I still would recommend buying it for the similar reasons that I too stated
although, I would say his handling of the card to mouth trick was exactly revoloutionary
there are some good effects on the 2nd vol
I just thought vol 1 met the criteria that he first lays out better
talking of the card 2 mouth, where can I learn that spin out.......?
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