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teejay Inner circle Liverpool, UK 1831 Posts |
Could anybody tell me about this book:
Counseling techniques for the private reader by Gene Nielsen Cheers TJ |
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Tony Iacoviello Eternal Order 13151 Posts |
TeeJay
An excellent book, highly recommended for anyone doing readings, or doing any form of counseling. Discussing it (especially here) will not do the book justice. Tony |
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teejay Inner circle Liverpool, UK 1831 Posts |
Hi Tony
Thanks for that TJ |
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Philemon Vanderbeck Inner circle Seattle, WA 4694 Posts |
Another highly-recommended book is "On Becoming A Counselor, Revised Edition: A Basic Guide for Nonprofessional Counselors and Other Helpers" by Eugene Kennedy.
Professor Philemon Vanderbeck
That Creepy Magician "I use my sixth sense to create the illusion of possessing the other five." |
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Jim Reynolds Elite user Special Guest 431 Posts |
As much as I enjoyed Gene's book, I'll second Philemon's recommendation of "On Becoming A Counselor"
It covers a wider range of issues and forces you to ask yourself - as a reader/counselor - some good questions. For those who think readers have no business getting involved in counseling need to read the first chapter of this book. |
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green4magic Regular user 184 Posts |
Teejay,
You can get Gene's book as a download from http://www.mevproshop.com I use Gene's concepts because he teaches a safe way of counselling, while doing a reading, without creating negativity problems for you or your client. STAY MYSTICAL |
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Father Photius Grammar Host El Paso, TX (Formerly Amarillo) 17161 Posts |
I'd recommend getting some professional training in counseling. Doing counseling of any kind from just reading a book or two is far from wise. In some states, doing counseling without a license or being clergy will get you fined if not jailed. There are a lot of courses available in counseling at even undergraduate levels (look into drug and alcohol rehab counselor programs), and of course master level courses that lead to qualifications as an LPC or LMFT qualification. I have seen a lot of harm done by people who thought they were counselors.
"Now here's the man with the 25 cent hands, that two bit magician..."
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Tony Iacoviello Eternal Order 13151 Posts |
Agreed 100%.
What I found strange was in seminary and in Divinity school, not much training was done in counseling. Although allowed to perform faith-based counseling, most are unprepared. I don’t know if things have changed much in the last 20 years, but one course in counseling and the two good books, the Bible and the Collins’ book won’t prepare you for the real world. Many secular training classes are not much better. In many states here in the US, counseling is not regulated, and where it is, it is not difficult to meet the requirements. I’ve seen harm done by well meaning people as well. There is a saying popularized by Kenny Rogers, “Know when to hold them, know when to fold them, know when to walk away, know when to run” Regardless of education, training, and experience, one must know when he is in over his head and refer the client to another trained professional. Tony |
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Turk Inner circle Portland, OR 3546 Posts |
Photius,
Wise counsel indeed!! (no pun intended) Mike
Magic is a vanishing Art.
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Hoff Man Loyal user Ohio 258 Posts |
Having been a mental health professional for almost two decades, I can attest to the damage that can be done by well-intentioned mental health care workers and the like.
Having said that, from the other works of Gene that I have read, he tends to stress the importance of keeping things positive, (not encouraging anyone to quit their job or leave their spouse). Gene doesn’t get too heavy; he tends to keep things pretty simple and easy to understand. Take his advice to heart; he knows what he is talking about. (While you’re at it check out Gene’s, The Emergency Mental Routine. With this you can hone your reading skills in a very well structured, entertaining routine). Steve |
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Tony Iacoviello Eternal Order 13151 Posts |
Steve:
In Gene's book, (based on Carl Rogers' work) he does not encourage the sitter to do anything. It is very passive. In short, you don't diagnose, and you don't give advice. It is very legal, and very safe. Tony |
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Hoff Man Loyal user Ohio 258 Posts |
Tony,
I was always curious about this book,(I've read most of his others). I'm glad TeeJay posted about it. It's good to see Gene's works came up for discussion. Hope you have a good Memorial Weekend ... what's left of it anyway. Steve |
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Tony Iacoviello Eternal Order 13151 Posts |
Steve:
Thank you, and I hope you are having one as well. I consider this the best thing Gene has written (at least for me). Tony |
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Father Photius Grammar Host El Paso, TX (Formerly Amarillo) 17161 Posts |
Tony,
If varies from denomination to denomination and seminary to seminary. I was refering to legality, most states allow ordained clergy to give counsel "within the limits of their training" Some seminaries even give master's and doctoral degrees in counseling now days. Besides my M.Div., M.Th. and D.Th. I also have a M.A. and Ph.D. in psychology. Both as clergy and psychologist I've found many problems being created by untrained counselors, on the whole they hurt more than they help. For clergy with no particular classes in counseling there is the American Association of Pastoral Counseling which offers both didacic and hands on training under qualified practitioners for varoious certifications.
"Now here's the man with the 25 cent hands, that two bit magician..."
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ProfessorMagicJMG Loyal user 257 Posts |
And, I'm way late to this party, reviving a 10-year-old thread. However, based on your recommendation, Philemon, I ordered the "On becoming a counselor," finding a cheap used copy online. Gene's book on counseling techniques for readers seems to be the only other such book I can find; are there ANY others? Please advise. I've got a college course worth of books by all the best authors using Craig Browning's summary of Cold Reading as a guide, and this is one of the last books I have not yet acquired.
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." - Clarke's 3rd Law
"Any sufficiently primitive technology can mystify a postmodern audience." - JMG's Corollary to Clarke's 3rd Law |
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the Sponge Inner circle Atlanta 2771 Posts |
Sent you a link.
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MentalistCreationLab Inner circle 1528 Posts |
Alright! None of you mention my name on this thread. I'm serious do not do it. I must stay in the shadows. Plus my work that is already released is far to advanced to be of any use to someone starting out on this path. Maybe later on. Maybe.
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ProfessorMagicJMG Loyal user 257 Posts |
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On Jul 27, 2017, ProfessorMagicJMG wrote: Let me clarify a bit; I have a lot of books on cold reading, reading systems, and mentalism; what I am narrowing in on is books related to counseling issues that arise within a reading situation. I know the basic ethics and cautions about not giving legal or medical advice, and the value of having a handy list of local crisis hotlines in case someone needs serious professional help, and the need to be quick to refer a person to a professional if it seems like they are in need of real help. I found this thread *after* finding the book by Gene Nielsen on Counseling techniques for readers; I was wondering if there are any other book specifically geared toward counseling or guidance in a reading that would keep things positive and avoid charges of offering therapy without a license. I found one today in a book shop called "How to Heal Toxic thoughts," and of course there are the "power of positive thinking" books. Any books you can think of related to "lay counseling"? I suppose "life coaching" is a fairly generic and safe category for anyone offering "path guidance" along with readings. The "life coach" phenomena is fairly recent, but I presume it would be a useful umbrella category under which to offer "vocational assessment," since whatever you are doing could be called your "calling" or "vocation." Just stream of consciousness thinking here.
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jstreiff Special user 701 Posts |
I would think that if you are seriously concerned about these matters, you would want to stop looking for pop psychology books and focus on certification. What all the operative laws seem to agree on is that you are protected mioe if you have the appropriate certification.
If you want to be appropriately shocked as to how badly things can go wrong, read Ian Dunford's "Devil May Care". I would subtitle this book "the cold, hard, scary facts of readings."
John
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