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Mike M
Loyal user
236 Posts
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Posted: Jul 30, 2007 9:03am
I've read all the reviews about the remote color cube by Tim Wisseman, but has anyone purchased the new mini? I'd appreciate any feedback.
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lunatik
Inner circle
Date me before I become famous!
2356 Posts
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Posted: Jul 30, 2007 1:27pm
I have one and it's totally awesome. the size is perfect and gets awesome reactions.
"Don't let your Dreams become Fantasies"
Date me before I become famous!
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bekralik
Inner circle
Canada
1058 Posts
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Posted: Jul 30, 2007 7:39pm
The one that is advertised as the mini-version looks black and sleek; whereas the original looks wooden and old-fashioned. To me, the older one looks less likely to have electronics. Is it just my unconsciousness picking this up? I am considering getting one, are there any other 'looks' available?
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Paul Gross
Elite user
449 Posts
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Posted: Jul 30, 2007 10:43pm
Brian,
There are currently just the two sizes and styles available. When Tim brought the new Mini version into Hocus Pocus last week we all went crazy for it.
Believe me when I tell you that there is no way that this smacks of electronics. The block is solid in look and feel. The whole prop can be freely handled without detection.
We started taking orders for it almost as soon as Mike listed it on our website. I would say by the numbers of orders that came in over the weekend that this is going to be as popular if not more than the original. This is the perfect size for closeup and walk around. Please feel free to check it out on the Hocus Pocus website.
Best regards
Paul Gross
Owner
Hocus Pocus
Best Regards,
Paul Gross
Owner
http://www.hocus-pocus.com
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cocomax
Loyal user
Fresno
241 Posts
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Posted: Jul 30, 2007 10:49pm
The mini cube comes with a black box, by default. It makes it easier to do the effect using the classic color vision method. The inside of the black box is plain unpainted wood. It still looks simple. I will make them with wood stained boxes if asked to do so.
They are made on demand, so when you place your order with Hocus Pocus you can request a stained box or extra receivers and we will see that you get what you want.
Tim Wisseman
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TheAmazingSteveo
Inner circle
1117 Posts
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Posted: Jul 31, 2007 2:04am
I have the Mini-Die Box as well as the Regular Die box with the vibrator unit.
This is a GREAT effect .. well worth the money. I used to have the regular sized color box and sold it ... I like the mini Die Box much better -- just my preference. Tim makes a QUALITY product.
- Steve
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magicbyswh
Inner circle
North East Tennessee
1136 Posts
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Posted: Jul 31, 2007 2:13am
I have the original larger box and it is great. As with all of Tim's items they are all well made and he is a great person to deal with!
Creator of Cereal Brainwave and The Tossed Out Book
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DR STEVE HOSKINS
Special user
North Wales, UK.
808 Posts
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Posted: Aug 23, 2007 8:47am
The matt black mini remote vision colour cube looks very cheap and poor quality.
I was so disapointed when I opened the pacaging, - however it works really great, and it does fry people.
bottom line, - looks cheap and cheerful but works sensationaly. buy it then re paint it better.
also forget the wrist receiver the hook up of receiver box and long wires is too bulky and fiddly. - choose the card case receiver, you cant go wrong, nice and neat, no wires, no hook up. either have it in your top shirt pocket or place it somewere in room to get your quick peek.
I am very pleased with this item apart from the poor finising of the wooden box and cube.
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sabitu
Elite user
USA
500 Posts
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Posted: Aug 23, 2007 9:28am
The "cheap" look is one of the things I like about Tim's color cube. It looks like a toy I might have had as a kid and this makes it that much more deceptive. Honestly, if it had a more fancy look too it, I don't think I would like it as much.
Matt
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DR STEVE HOSKINS
Special user
North Wales, UK.
808 Posts
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Posted: Aug 27, 2007 4:35pm
Apparently tim wiseman also offers a high gloss finish or a stained wood finish. - just my mistake ordering the matt black. - anyway tim has kindly offered to swap my matt black for the shiny high gloss finish.
I have been playing with this today with work friends, it floored everybody!
I am like the simon cowell of magic, I don't give compliments often - but this thing rocks ! people really beleive I have "special psychic powers".
pound for pound this is the best thing I bought in the last few years. - put it onto your most wanted list. its a must have.
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rowdymagi5
Inner circle
Virginia
2383 Posts
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Posted: Aug 28, 2007 5:56am
To me, the more plain the appearance, the better. Anything polished and pretty just screams "magic prop". My opinion anyway!
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rmendez
Special user
San Antonio, Texas
833 Posts
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Posted: Sep 2, 2007 1:19am
Check this one out for those who have impecable taste for elegant quality... http://www.jammagic.com/insane_dievination.htm This one doesn't even need a box or lid (although you could still use one if you wanted to perform a color vision style effect) and can be held in the hands of a spectator behind their back! I own them all and this one is by far the finest and unrivaled in quality.
Blessed be,
Richard M. Mendez
"For those who believe, no explanation is necessary.
For those who do not, none will suffice" -Joseph Dunninger
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gabelson
Inner circle
conscientious observer
1819 Posts
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Posted: Dec 26, 2007 1:12pm
I've owned both the larger and smaller version, and ideed, it is the low-tech appearance that I believe really helps sell this effect. The matte black box that comes with the mini, looks like something your 5th grader brought home from woodshop. It's the icing on the cake, to put this box above suspicion. I would never "gloss" or "glam" it up.
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rmendez
Special user
San Antonio, Texas
833 Posts
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Posted: Jan 28, 2008 3:03pm
I have one of these and enjoy it immensely!
Blessed be,
Richard M. Mendez
"For those who believe, no explanation is necessary.
For those who do not, none will suffice" -Joseph Dunninger
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Parson Smith
Quality Control
1938 Posts
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Posted: Feb 7, 2008 11:40pm
I would be interested in knowing what people think about the plusses and minuses of the mini and the regular.
I have the regular and absolutely love it, but would like to know what you folks think of the two.
Peace,
Parson
Here kitty, kitty,kitty. 
+++a posse ad esse+++
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Kaarlo von Freymann
Regular user
Finland
183 Posts
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Posted: Feb 9, 2008 9:11am
I use the Jam Magic Die mentioned by rmendez and both versions of Tim Wisseman's miniature die mentioned by Paul Gross and the Labco's Mental Dice. All of them are EXCELLENT. How do they differ: Tim Wisseman's props are small and they look "home made", extremely DIY which makes them VERY innocent looking. Finland is a tiny country and people know I am a drone manufacturer so I am easily suspected of using this know how for magic. With a lot of high tech items I use like Labco's and Fabrice Delaure's (just put the name into Google to see what I mean) I have to be very careful. But when I hand out Wisseman's die and say, I made this one yesterday of some left over wood, NOBODY ever suspects it could be a hi-tech item as many have pointed out in this thread. So for close-up or table hopping it is IMHO the best. The Jam Magic Die I have is much bigger, (but I understand smaller versions and a choice of wood is now offered) about the size of Labco's Mental Dies which actually are two dies so you have the additional bonus of being able to say which one was put in the box that - by the way - is a beauty to behold. These two therefore lend themselves better to parlour performance. They have excellent finnish so they do NOT look inncoent. As to the performance of all these props I have rarely had any problems in literally hundreds of perfomances and the manufacturers have earned a 5 star rating for their service. There is one thing you have to renew in all of them, and in that department the Jam Magic Die is by an incredibly wide margin the best, as a fact so good it is hard to believe. Tim Wissemans cubes and Labco's cube have to be "hidden" in the box that comes with the die. The Jam Magic Die is self-contained. It can be put anywhere out of sight of the performer. About the only place to avoid is the lap of the participant as contrary to Labco's and Wisseman's dies in their boxes, it must be kept in a horizontal position and may not be moved during the detection process.
So you really have similar items "with a difference" to suit your particular needs. Whichever of these items you decide on, YOU WILL BE DELIGTED.
Kaarlo von Freymann Helsinki Finland
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Magical Storyteller
Regular user
119 Posts
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Posted: Feb 9, 2008 7:02pm
Thanks to rmendez and Kaarlo for the kind words about JAM MAGIC's die. In all of the threads I have read it seems that no matter who's die you have everyone is pleased with: looks, manufacturer, and service. I am therefor in no way critical of Tim's excellent effect, I only say I can't understand why just because something is finely crafted, or has a nice professional appearance why is that supposed to cause suspicion? I for years have used items from Milson Worth, Collector's Workshop, P&L, Owen Supreme and others and have taken pride in their appearance and quality. I can say that to my knowledge no one has ever questioned their innocence because of their fine appearance. Should a thin model sawing be made from cardboard boxes or orange crate materials to supposedly create innocence? I do understand where you are coming from when you say you like the "homemade" look but I am assuming that is because all of your props are themed similarly. Again I am not critical of Tim's effects but I am trying to understand why a different look would cause suspicion. Thanks again to all of you who have shared your opinions and honest and unbiased reviews.
magical storyteller
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tdowell
Special user
996 Posts
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Posted: Feb 11, 2008 3:32am
You can't go wrong with any of the three versions of Tim's die box.
I own all three, and I have used the matte black mini box. Trust me, they all fry people, even the matte black mini box. Don't over analyse this, no one is going to think one is more convincing than another.
You can't go wrong with this effect. One of my favorites. If you don't own one of these, you should. Put it on your next to buy list.
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Magical Storyteller
Regular user
119 Posts
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Posted: Feb 11, 2008 8:55pm
Strange reply to my question
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simcoscor
Special user
montreal
672 Posts
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Posted: Feb 11, 2008 10:31pm
Here is my answer, Magical Storyteller. I like to perform magic with high quality, finely craft, eye catchy, gleaming items, in part because they look like real "collectables". There beautiful apparence may even justify that I keep them on a shelve, and want to show them to my guests... I'm mostly looking for exotic hardwoods, brass, crystal, rare coins... I love Warner's, Delaure's, CW's items...
I don't perform my cups and balls with plastic beer cups; mine are silver, very shiny... But all that is a matter of individual taste, style and personnality.
If I perform magic for people who know me, and show them a "homemade" die or wooden block, I think I would look very suspicious... If the die is gorgeous, made of exotic cocobolo or koa wood, I can explain that I brought it back from the islands as a souvenir (a paperweight, or something...) "By the way, how would you like to try an extra-sensorial experiment...?"
There's no way lay people will think that such a nice wooden die, the Jam magic one, will hide a sophisticated telecommunication system invented just to fool them so devilishy...
Tim, sincere congratulations for your work, you will sell many hundreds of yours, and you deserve it.
Magical Storyteller, did you get my order? (and please, do not sell to many!  )
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Magical Storyteller
Regular user
119 Posts
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Posted: Feb 12, 2008 12:54am
Well Thanks simcoscor for another opinion again acknowledging "different strokes for different folks". Of course I agree with you (and why wouldn't I) but you did such an eloquent job of agreeing that fine craftsmanship does not draw suspicion I had to swell with pride concerning our product. I also agree that Tim should be congratulated on his excellent product and his many fans are doing a fine job of that. Botom line is there will always be those who prefer one style over the other and that makes Tim and I both winners. and yes I did receive your order and we will be caught up soon and it will be on its way. I will pm you when we ship it out. "Ain't Magic Grand!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Dave
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Mumblemore
Inner circle
1416 Posts
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Posted: Feb 12, 2008 8:57am
I like a lot of Jam Magic's products (such as kids' products and Miser's Delight), but I do think the "ordinary" nature of Wisseman's product does baffle people, and I don't know if "fine" wood block would have the same effect. The simplicity of it is disarming and the fact that it looks like a garage sale item gives it an innocence which high-end, trophy pieces do not automatically possess. Plus, there is the issue of cost, which hasn't been raised yet on this thread. Wisseman's die is, probably because it is plain-looking, much cheaper. That is not to discredit the quality or value of the Jam Magic version; it is only to say that cost should also be truly considered as a consideration . . .(just being honest).
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Magical Storyteller
Regular user
119 Posts
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Posted: Feb 12, 2008 6:13pm
Hi Mumblemore,
Nice to have your opinion as well and thanks for being a good Jam Magic Customer.
I still contend that whether it is a "garage sale item" (and I honestly don't know if I have ever seen even a homemade wooden dice in a box around a 2 inch size or any other size for that matter in a garage sale or the equivilant)or a "collectable" what not or paperweight why it would draw suspicion?!?! And when you say the issue of cost , yes it does take more time and labor to finish a finely crafted item (exotic wood, inlaid indices, stained and sealed, etc. than to have the home made look but the appearance is not all to consider. Remember our dice can be performed WITHOUT a box which calls for entirely different electronics and work on the inside of the die. So cost is really apples and oranges although the effect is similar. I am not really here to debate quality because I know for Tim's die to perform it has to have quality workmanship INSIDE the die so I am sure his is constucted of high quality as well. I just take issue that my die "draws suspicion" over a "home made " look. I have sold many of them and not once had a performer say the die was suspected by his (or her) volunteer.
I guess that is where the real answer lies, in the field of performances. Again thanks Mumblemore for your input as all is welcome on this forum even if we disagree we remain friends and co-conspiritors in legerdemain.
MAGICAL STORYTELLER
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cocomax
Loyal user
Fresno
241 Posts
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Posted: Feb 12, 2008 8:42pm
People that buy my cubes love them, they show their friends and they want one too. In the last two days 10 of them have been ordered.
People that see the cube want it. People that own the cube understand how wonderful and beyond supection it is, because of its look and feel.
Tim
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Ezzet
Veteran user
Sweden
391 Posts
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Posted: Feb 13, 2008 7:01pm
What size should I get if I'm performing for about 50 people or so? Would the mini one play stong even if there is a big crowd?
Ezzet
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cocomax
Loyal user
Fresno
241 Posts
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Posted: Feb 13, 2008 9:03pm
The mini cube would still work well for groups of 50 people.
Tim
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magicden
New user
scotland
83 Posts
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Posted: Sep 22, 2008 3:11pm
I live in the uk and managed to buy the mini colour cube second hand. It is a great little piece of kit, I feel it is a bit too strong to use on it's own so I will probably use it as part of a one ahead routine and for my kids shows a kid will place cube in box and my puppet will pick the correct colour from a buch of cards.
cheers
den
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Andy Moss
Special user
564 Posts
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Posted: Sep 23, 2008 8:27am
I am looking forward to the time when a casino regular sized black gloss die will be able to be produced. It is only a matter of time now with all the hard work people like Tim and others are puting in to gradually making the die look more and more natural. For me personally speaking a 'normal' sized die really would be the proverbial holy grail. 1.5 cube inches and counting!
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DR STEVE HOSKINS
Special user
North Wales, UK.
808 Posts
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Posted: Sep 25, 2008 8:45am
Andy Moss,
I just bought a tiny tiny electronic cube, one inch on each side! complete with an even smaller wireless receiver, - it does not get better than this, beleive me I have had ALL the previous cubes, the wiseman one was good, but this new promystic one beats it hands down. - well made craftsman quality, long range, tiny receiver and cube, and compared to others electronic items this is cheap.
you can buy it with a colour cube, ESP symbols, or a regular die.
heres the link, but tell him Steve sent you,
http://www.promystic.com/MultiDiementional.htm
Steve
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Andy Moss
Special user
564 Posts
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Posted: Sep 27, 2008 10:33am
Thanks Steve, Craig's die is indeed very good and to be recommended highly.We have spoken about it by PM. Craig's die is the smallest I am aware of at just one inch cube. Like many magicians I am still however naturally looking forward to a time (hopefully fairly soon) when the gadget is the same size and appearance as a regular casino playing die.By this I mean preferably 0.5 inch or failing that 0.75 inch cube at most. Then it could be used in a regular shaker in conjuction with other die and switched about etc.I guess that I am a bit of a perfectionist and wary when it comes to splashing out on electric gadgets.I sincerely wish Craig, Tim and others all the best of luck in their continuing venture but I am going to hold back for a bit until things move on.I also have spending commitments in other areas.However I would only encourage other magicians to buy these remote vision dice from Craig and Tim as there is clearly so much potential for powerful presentations.
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