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cristo
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Posted: Aug 23, 2007 4:20pm
The title says it all.
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Ace of $pades
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Posted: Aug 25, 2007 10:59am
What is Scarne on Card Tricks?
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Hideo Kato
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Posted: Aug 25, 2007 12:01pm
It is a card magic book Scarne authored.
Hideo Kato
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closeupcardician
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Justin Teeman Moore, OK
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Posted: Aug 25, 2007 11:54pm
And a great one at that.
"Magic as art cannot live without love. Love of some kind. There are novels without love, other arts without love. But there can be no magic without love." - Rodney Reyes
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rayg1952
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Posted: Aug 26, 2007 12:48am
I think I use to have that book.
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Hideo Kato
Inner circle
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Posted: Aug 26, 2007 12:55am
You should regret you don't have it now.
Hideo Kato
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rayg1952
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Posted: Aug 26, 2007 2:09pm
LOL
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John Nesbit
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Posted: Aug 26, 2007 3:11pm
No one wants to talk about their "Favorites" in this book ?
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Hideo Kato
Inner circle
Tokyo
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Posted: Aug 27, 2007 12:18am
Becasue all are my favourites.
Hideo Kato
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cristo
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Posted: Aug 27, 2007 4:42pm
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On 2007-08-26 15:11, johnjnesbit wrote:
No one wants to talk about their "Favorites" in this book ?
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My sentiments exactly. Maybe I was mistaken about it being well liked, but I thought I saw that in some thread around here.
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mrehula
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Posted: Aug 28, 2007 9:57am
It's a great book. My favorite is probably Braude's Mental Card Trick. It uses a simple but deceptive key card principle. I've reworked the handling a little, but it's a nice direct effect.
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cristo
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Posted: Aug 28, 2007 11:25am
I'll have to check that one again. I think it was one I liked as well...
I particularly liked "Buckle Up" - not much to it, and it is (to me) a completely novel method of locating a reversed card without looking.
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the fritz
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Posted: Aug 28, 2007 4:42pm
Cristo,
I really love the Francis Carlyle effect where both spectator and magician select cards and replace their cards in each other's respective halves. The cards are them placed together face up packet between two face down packets. The deck is spread and everything proves to face the right way except the two selections. I don't remember the title! I think it may be "The Upside-Down Cards" or something of that nature.
I also loved "Cardini's Color Discernment" the second I read it.
There is a Dai Vernon effect that I love. The only way I can describe it is it resembles an Ambitious-Card-meets-Oil-and-Water-style routine in which three cards of the same value are interlaced between three indifferent cards with the entire six-card packet placed on top of the deck. When the cards are dealt face-up the three of the same value are seen to have "melted" back to the top. Again, I don't recall the name!
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Hideo Kato
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Posted: Aug 29, 2007 12:00am
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This was not a joke. There are many good tricks in the book. I recommend to read all, you won't regret it.
If you don't read all tricks, it is posssible you miss very good ones because nobody knows all of your favourites.
Hideo Kato
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serge storms
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Las Vegas
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Posted: Aug 29, 2007 11:58am
Check out "Future Deck" and "Miraskill". Miraskill is a great impromptu effect with anyones deck anytime anywhere type thing (as long as its a full deck) and Future Deck is great though it takes a one time lengthy set up but once done its ready to go.
I've used them both over the years and get great reactions. Worth a look.
"Overkill is Under-rated"
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apple123
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Posted: Aug 30, 2007 8:45am
I have always liked The Quickie Card Trick.
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cristo
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Posted: Aug 30, 2007 2:19pm
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On 2007-08-28 16:42, the fritz wrote:
...There is a Dai Vernon effect that I love. The only way I can describe it is it resembles an Ambitious-Card-meets-Oil-and-Water-style routine in which three cards of the same value are interlaced between three indifferent cards with the entire six-card packet placed on top of the deck. When the cards are dealt face-up the three of the same value are seen to have "melted" back to the top. Again, I don't recall the name!
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That one's Vernon's 3 card assembly.
Interesting, on first read through, that one seemed *completely* uninmpressive. It seemed so obvious since you show all the cards except the one that makes it work. But clearly Vernon knows a wee bit more about card magic than me... : )
I guess one of my biggest difficulties is trying to judge which effects will be good ones (and thus which ones to learn and practice.) When you know "the secret," some of them seem so ridiculously obvious that anyone could see right through them. This is one that fell into that category for me. I thought "that one is so simple and obvious it wouldn't fool anyone."
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cristo
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Posted: Aug 30, 2007 2:32pm
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On 2007-08-28 16:42, the fritz wrote:
...There is a Dai Vernon effect that I love. The only way I can describe it is it resembles an Ambitious-Card-meets-Oil-and-Water-style routine in which three cards of the same value are interlaced between three indifferent cards with the entire six-card packet placed on top of the deck. When the cards are dealt face-up the three of the same value are seen to have "melted" back to the top. Again, I don't recall the name!
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That one's Vernon's 3 card assembly.
Interesting, on first read through, that one seemed *completely* uninmpressive. It seemed so obvious since you show all the cards except the one that makes it work. But clearly Vernon knows a wee bit more about card magic than me... : )
I guess one of my biggest difficulties is trying to judge which effects will be good ones (and thus which ones to learn and practice.) When you know "the secret," some of them seem so ridiculously obvious that anyone could see right through them.
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the fritz
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Posted: Aug 30, 2007 4:28pm
Cristo,
Yes, I've had the same thoughts before. I tried the trick a few times and the response everytime was "Wait a minute, do that again," which I can only assume means it was NOT easy to see through. It is really difficult to know how a trick will appear until you try it. This was one of those for me.
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Steve Haynes
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Posted: Aug 30, 2007 10:58pm
Drunken poker deal is a hard hitting scam that is very nice and quite diferent than any other gambling routine out there.
If there was an award for sucker tricks, this would be in the running.
Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler.
Albert Einstein
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Andy the cardician
Inner circle
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Posted: Sep 6, 2007 9:08am
It is a great book. A lot sounds simple, but packs big
Cards never lie
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Eric Fry
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Posted: Sep 11, 2007 7:45pm
There is a clever variation, attributed to Cardini, on the usual spelling trick. It's not impromptu. But after the spectator mentally chooses from among six cards, the spectator can shuffle the deck, yet the card will still spell out.
As with a lot of the tricks in the book, if you know sleight of hand you can heighten the trick. For example, a false shuffle and use of the riffle force to break the deck at the six-card stack gives the impression that the six cards were chosen at random. And remember, don't ever look at the faces of the cards.
I thought I read once that Scarne didn't actually write the book. Anyone know anything about that?
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ScotDeerie
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Posted: Sep 13, 2007 9:22am
Hi everyone,
I'm new to the list and to magic. I'm trying to get together a library and some simple tricks together to teach my nephew (age 11). Would this be a good book for us to look at? We have the basic magic books on order and will start there, of course, but is this one I should bookmark for later? Can it be used fairly early on by a beginner or is it best left to experienced folks?
Thx,
ScotDeerie
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the fritz
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Posted: Sep 13, 2007 5:23pm
Yes, Scott. This book is aimed at beginners because all the sleights have been removed from the tricks in the book. I would suggest this be one of the first books you purchase... and it's pretty inexpensive! I've always thought that if I had to choose only five books to keep with me for the rest of my life, this would be one of them (along with a Bible, The Royal Road to Card Magic, The Magic Book by Harry Lorayne, and one other one... perhaps The Card Magic of Nick Trost?). I digress-- you'll do just fine purchasing a copy of this book. Highly recommended for anyone into magic, but especially for beginners. I'm sure you'll get lots of seconds from others in this thread. Good luck Scott!
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magicupclose
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Posted: Sep 13, 2007 8:48pm
I agree with the poker deal, laymen are amazed & simple to perform, just build it up with presentation & people won't play cards with you!
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Picard
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Posted: Sep 14, 2007 7:13am
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On 2007-09-13 17:23, the fritz wrote:
Yes, Scott. This book is aimed at beginners because all the sleights have been removed from the tricks in the book. I would suggest this be one of the first books you purchase... and it's pretty inexpensive! I've always thought that if I had to choose only five books to keep with me for the rest of my life, this would be one of them (along with a Bible, The Royal Road to Card Magic, The Magic Book by Harry Lorayne, and one other one... perhaps The Card Magic of Nick Trost?). I digress-- you'll do just fine purchasing a copy of this book. Highly recommended for anyone into magic, but especially for beginners. I'm sure you'll get lots of seconds from others in this thread. Good luck Scott!
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I must say I do not agree with you. Even though this book does seem as it's for beginners, I found that most of the effects are not impressive at all if performed exactly as written in a book. (and that's how beginners will perform them)
I did find that book has some nice ideas that could be integrated in a more deceptive routine but that does require knowledge of at least some basic sleights and even more importantly the ability to create - and that's something that beginners lack.
There are of course few really good effects that could (almost) stand alone nicely but with some sleights (or at least some false shuffles, cuts etc.) they become even more impressive.
Let's not forget that Scarne's goal in writing this book was to make it as sleightless as possible and that meant eliminating even the most basic sleights which every card magician should know.
I don't use this book to learn new effects, I just read it from time to time as an inspiration.
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cristo
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Posted: Sep 14, 2007 9:50am
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On 2007-09-13 17:23, the fritz wrote:
Yes, Scott. This book is aimed at beginners because all the sleights have been removed from the tricks in the book. I would suggest this be one of the first books you purchase... and it's pretty inexpensive! I've always thought that if I had to choose only five books to keep with me for the rest of my life, this would be one of them (along with a Bible, The Royal Road to Card Magic, The Magic Book by Harry Lorayne, and one other one... perhaps The Card Magic of Nick Trost?). I digress-- you'll do just fine purchasing a copy of this book. Highly recommended for anyone into magic, but especially for beginners. I'm sure you'll get lots of seconds from others in this thread. Good luck Scott!
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I must say I do not agree with you. Even though this book does seem as it's for beginners, I found that most of the effects are not impressive at all if performed exactly as written in a book. (and that's how beginners will perform them)
I did find that book has some nice ideas that could be integrated in a more deceptive routine but that does require knowledge of at least some basic sleights and even more importantly the ability to create - and that's something that beginners lack.
There are of course few really good effects that could (almost) stand alone nicely but with some sleights (or at least some false shuffles, cuts etc.) they become even more impressive.
Let's not forget that Scarne's goal in writing this book was to make it as sleightless as possible and that meant eliminating even the most basic sleights which every card magician should know.
I don't use this book to learn new effects, I just read it from time to time as an inspiration.
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That's an interesting viewpoint.
I guess the elimination of sleights and requirements for greater skill may in fact have "watered down" the power of some of the effects.
But it is that very lack of sleights in the book which makes it beginner suitable - beginners can't do all that stuff!
So, the result may well be that beginners can't do effects that are as impressive as ones that contain sleights - but that shouldn't be a surprise, should it?
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the fritz
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Posted: Sep 14, 2007 4:21pm
Picard,
I respect your opinion, however I still believe the book is aimed at beginners.
One reason I believe this book is for beginner's comes from Scarne's introduction to the book. In my opinion, advice like "Never reveal how a trick is done" or "never repeat a trick for the same audience" is clearly directed toward someone new to performing card tricks. Scarne knew, as well as the rest of us who have performed before, that the temptation to reveal a secret or repeat a trick because people are dying to know how you did it can be overwhelming. Seasoned performers know why Scarne gives this advice.
Another reason I believe this book was originally intended for beginners is because Scarne mentions in his introduction, that he deliberately placed the simpler tricks at the beginning of the book and the more advanced ones near the end. Hugard and Braue also use this technique in their "Royal Road to Card Magic" because they know it is the most efficient way for a beginner to progress toward becoming an expert technician in card magic. This tells me Scarne had beginning card magicians or just someone interested in performing card tricks in mind when he wrote the book. He even quotes a statistic about people who've played card games before attempting a trick with cards.
Finally, as far as performing the tricks competently goes, Scarne talks about including "stories" to go along with the tricks, urging the performer to present the patter as written. In my mind, this book is definitely aimed at beginners.
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Picard
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Posted: Sep 14, 2007 7:32pm
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On 2007-09-14 09:50, cristo wrote:
So, the result may well be that beginners can't do effects that are as impressive as ones that contain sleights - but that shouldn't be a surprise, should it?
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I think they can, but you won't find that kind of material in Scarne's book.
It was one of my first magic books, in fact I already knew some moves when I first started reading it. I was skipping through many stacked card effects (since I wasn't even able to pull off a decent false shuffle at the time) and those few impromptu ones that caught my attention - well they didn't go to well. I performed them perfectly in a technical sense but they looked very automatic and boring in my hands and it's simply because I did them exactly as written there. Now that I know more (and I don't mean more about sleight of hand only but generally more about magic and how it should be presented) I have found it much easier to spot weak spots of the effects in the book and cover them with some sleights or at least some kind of misdirection (including more interesting and more convincing patter than the one suggested in book).
So yes, I still stand behind my opinion: some of the effects in the book do have potential but ONLY in the hands of at least a bit more experienced card handler then the average amateur. The effects in the book are generally NOT strong, actually some of them are very weak but it's ideas that make this book valuable to me. I am not sure what makes it valuable to complete beginners... And I think that being beginner does not excuse somebody for performing unimpressive and weak magic.
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the fritz
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Posted: Sep 15, 2007 12:08am
Picard,
I definitely agree that many (if not all) of the tricks in the book can be made better with some appropriately used sleight-of-hand. I also think your opinion that experienced performers will do the material more justice than beginners is right on the money.
Unfortunately, beginners have to start somewhere (as you and I have) and that somewhere is always the inexcusable place of "performing unimpressive and weak magic." I think that's part of the learning experience. That being said, I'd rather have the unimpressive and weak magic be from a beginner's book instead of being something involving sleight-of-hand in which the performer unwittingly gives away secrets by performing poorly. Just out of curiosity, do you remember which trick you performed first? I don't remember which one I did, but I cringe to think how bad it must've looked!
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