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Dr Spektor
Inner circle
The frosty North
8839 Posts
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Posted: Nov 13, 2007 11:54pm
Need reviews... need reviews!
They look like the same device concept... old threads on PF talked about breakable tip...
Gotta buy one or the other - any help here or PM would be greatly appreciated...
http://www.hanklee.org/xcart/product.php?productid=9120&cat=&page=1&xid=d4b560d64f1d383c518ae2d125c87430
Pyrofreak has an add on the main forum page of the Café...
"They are lean and athirst!!!!"
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Kjellstrom
Inner circle
Sweden
4132 Posts
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Posted: Nov 14, 2007 1:55am
Maybe a new rip off? Who was first? Anyway, Pyroreak is amazing flash device.
http://www.matskjellstrom.se
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Dr Spektor
Inner circle
The frosty North
8839 Posts
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Posted: Nov 14, 2007 8:12am
Mats,
It does look like a clone from watching the videos... but I wish some owners would come forward and say "YAY- this is good!"... my hand has been hovering over the PAYPAL buy for PF2.0 for a while... but then I noticed someone here brought our attention to the Fire Starter... which appears as per the video similar as the PF method... but effects does not always = method... also, FS may be a knockock of version 1.0 of PF  ....
Sigh... I am sad... as without info... I'll likely end up buying both in the long run as I am a magic addict...
"They are lean and athirst!!!!"
www.carcosa-collection.com
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Dr Spektor
Inner circle
The frosty North
8839 Posts
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Posted: Nov 14, 2007 6:24pm
Nobody owns any of these??!
"They are lean and athirst!!!!"
www.carcosa-collection.com
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Dr Spektor
Inner circle
The frosty North
8839 Posts
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Posted: Nov 15, 2007 10:45am
So, either these items are so great no one wants to spill the beans or they suck so bad no one wants to get in trouble or nobody owns them????
I am amazed.
"They are lean and athirst!!!!"
www.carcosa-collection.com
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Magi51
New user
57 Posts
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Posted: Nov 15, 2007 2:40pm
I don't have them but Rick Haslett does great stuff.
Pyrofreak1.0 was not the first device like this. Before PF there were others.
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takeachance
Inner circle
2154 Posts
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Posted: Nov 16, 2007 5:28pm
Surely someone has bought one of these for a review by now! I'm not sure but I get the feeling that Rick's is a TT and Pyro is on a type of pull, any comments?
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Dr Spektor
Inner circle
The frosty North
8839 Posts
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Posted: Nov 16, 2007 8:27pm
I hope so - I find it bizarre that there is no comments either...
the PF video when I play it in slow motion... looks like a TT as well and I saw a small metal bit uncovered at times... which is OK by me... just want someone to say the thing works well in the real world....
"They are lean and athirst!!!!"
www.carcosa-collection.com
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Stefan Sch.
New user
Switzerland
26 Posts
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Posted: Nov 17, 2007 11:28am
Hi Magic51
What similiar devices were before PF?
Of course there are other devices with the same principle to ignite flash products. But I don't know any product with the same functionality like our product.
www.my-magicshop.com
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Dr Spektor
Inner circle
The frosty North
8839 Posts
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Posted: Nov 17, 2007 1:40pm
Hey Stefan! I have one question if you could PM me - is the item for STAGE or close-up?... i.e. how much distance do you need to be invisible gimmick? I was going to get PF until suddenly FS appeared - any way you could PM me some details? (Why do I got the feeling I'll end up buying both  )
"They are lean and athirst!!!!"
www.carcosa-collection.com
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Highland
New user
41 Posts
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Posted: Nov 17, 2007 2:41pm
Not knowing anything about either product, if I were to get one, which I probably will, I trust Rick and the products he has sold me in the past. He has been making fire gimmicks for years and they always work.
Dr. Spektor, when you get whichever one you get, or both, let us know.
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Olivier
New user
France
26 Posts
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Posted: Dec 2, 2007 6:34am
Any reviews ?
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kannon
Special user
725 Posts
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Posted: Dec 2, 2007 9:05am
Anyone know how these compare to Fireball and whether a fireball effect can be performed with them, without much hand motion
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Jim Pace
V.I.P.
Portland Oregon
557 Posts
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Posted: Dec 3, 2007 12:30am
We used to sell a device back in 1996 that was the same gimmick from Theater effects. Really nothing new. that said if I had to choose....Ricks is the better as it is rechargable.
"The drum that beats the loudest is always the most hollow."
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Wizard
Regular user
Sweden
141 Posts
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Posted: Dec 3, 2007 4:00am
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On 2007-11-14 18:24, Dr Spektor wrote:
Nobody owns any of these??!
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Yes,I have the Pyrofreak and here is what I wrote some time ago:
"There is only 1 dealer(the manufacturer)who has it in stock but the price (USD 112) is not
acceptable for the device. Pyrofreak works as advertised but in the real world
it is not really useable because of its design.If you are a handy magician maybe you can rebuild it so it could be used. But if not,save your money!"
I have to admit that I own the older version and do not know if version 2.0 has
been altered in any way.
http://www.worldmagicshop.co.uk/pyrofreak-by-edo-p-3759.html
FINIS CORONAT OPUS
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Kjellstrom
Inner circle
Sweden
4132 Posts
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Posted: Dec 3, 2007 9:10am
Why cant you use it in the real world? Strange a magic friend use it in his act every time and it works for him?
http://www.matskjellstrom.se
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Stefan Sch.
New user
Switzerland
26 Posts
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Posted: Dec 3, 2007 4:39pm
Hi Wizard
We have many professional magicians in Europe working with Pyrofreak. And they use it in the real world.
And by the way Jim: Pyrofreak is rechargeable hundreds of times.
www.my-magicshop.com
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bsmith
Loyal user
288 Posts
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Posted: Dec 9, 2007 7:43pm
So does anyone have a review for Fire Starter?
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Dr Spektor
Inner circle
The frosty North
8839 Posts
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Posted: Dec 9, 2007 9:40pm
Well, I ordered Fire Starter from Hank Lee....but when my package arrived (as I ordered some other goodies as well) a note said "Out of Stock wait 5-10 more days"...well, that is another story - love people who say they got it and don't....
And I bought a Pyrofreak 2.0 yesterday from a fellow Café member... so waiting for that too...
Yes, I AM INSANE.
Once I have both, I'll put them through the paces (nod to Jim Pace yuk yuk)....
"They are lean and athirst!!!!"
www.carcosa-collection.com
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Jim Pace
V.I.P.
Portland Oregon
557 Posts
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Posted: Dec 21, 2007 7:27pm
"And by the way Jim: Pyrofreak is rechargeable hundreds of times."-Stephan
I knew that I should have stayed out of this....
Jim
"The drum that beats the loudest is always the most hollow."
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Dr Spektor
Inner circle
The frosty North
8839 Posts
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Posted: Dec 21, 2007 9:48pm
If you go to the Spooky Forum, I posted a comparison between FS and PF now that I have both.... guess I shoulda put it here by I am a mizzarist  ....
Now, to collect Jim Pace stuff
"They are lean and athirst!!!!"
www.carcosa-collection.com
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digiquick
Regular user
Sydney
110 Posts
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Posted: Dec 22, 2007 5:45am
Hi Graham from the ifamouse Digiquick here
I have received Pyrofreak.
It is well constructed - It is rechargable - It does all it is advertised to do.
I can not comment on reliability as a customer has this item, I will let you know as soon as he has used it for a number of times.
My concers, the fillament is rather exposed leaving it in a position where you need to be carefull - If your a Pro Buy two so that if the element fails you have a back up, its a bit time consuming to change the elemet. This would probably improve if you have done it a few times
The handlings a bit clunky its hard to give more details without exposing the method, but the works take up a lot of space in the TT leaving it rather difficult to fit on the T -b Great instructions - In all a great devise, but in my opinion the asking price is high -- However if you need the effect it does the job
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Dynamike
Eternal Order
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Posted: Dec 26, 2008 5:59pm
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On 2007-12-09 21:40, Dr Spektor wrote:
Well, I ordered Fire Starter from Hank Lee....but when my package arrived (as I ordered some other goodies as well) a note said "Out of Stock wait 5-10 more days"...well, that is another story - love people who say they got it and don't....
And I bought a Pyrofreak 2.0 yesterday from a fellow Café member... so waiting for that too...
Yes, I AM INSANE.
Once I have both, I'll put them through the paces (nod to Jim Pace yuk yuk)....
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What is your review when comparing both the items?
Dynamike
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Dr Spektor
Inner circle
The frosty North
8839 Posts
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Posted: Dec 26, 2008 8:05pm
Check out SPOOKY forum - I posted it there ages ago
Happy Holidays Dynamikalist!
"They are lean and athirst!!!!"
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Dynamike
Eternal Order
20624 Posts
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Posted: Dec 26, 2008 8:46pm
Since you posted it there ages ago, I will need the fountain of youth formula from you.
Dynamike
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haywire
Special user
Philadelphia
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Posted: Dec 26, 2008 9:37pm
I have pyrofreak 1.0 and it does not work reliably at all, THAT is why its not good for real world applications. There is nothing worse than being in the middle of a performance holding a piece of flash paper and having the device fail, which it does so often I stopped even trying to use it.
AND I have a really big problem with coming out with 2.0 which fixes the problems with 1.0 AFTER you have already taken peoples money for the first one, and made a lot of promises you did not deliver on.
Why would I shell out MORE money to get what I was promised in the first place?
In other words, I PAID for 1.0 then they come out with 2.0 which they say fixes the problems with constant breakage and reliability. That is there answer if you
complain that the device you originally bought dosn't work right, well give me another 100$ and I'll sell you the FIXED version.
If he gave me a free 2.0 because 1.0 didn't work as advertised, that's fine but don't expect me to give them another 100 bucks or so just to get what I was promised in the first place, that's ridiculous.
I have nothing but great things to say about both Rick Haslett's fire devices AND Jim Pace's fire devices, all very reliable and work as described, but this pyrofreak was a big waste of money, I should have bought Ricks.
If something you buy from Rick or Jim Pace does not work as described, they will replace or fix your problem. Rick has fixed a few of my devices since everything he sells comes with a lifetime warranty on the electronics. I'm admittadly tough on stuff but Rick never complained, just fixed them and shipped them back quickly.
I've never had anything from Jim Pace break or not work as described, but I know him well enough and have bought enough stuff from him to trust buying anything from him.
I think Jim should make a similar device if so, I'd buy it right away. I plan on buying firestarter after I recover from christmas...
OUCH!
Steven
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Dynamike
Eternal Order
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Posted: Dec 27, 2008 3:17am
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On 2008-12-26 21:37, haywire wrote:
If he gave me a free 2.0 because 1.0 didn't work as advertised, that's fine but don't expect me to give them another 100 bucks or so just to get what I was promised in the first place, that's ridiculous.
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I agree with you, Steven.
Thanks a lot. I will get Rick's Fire Starter instead.
Dynamike
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John C
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Posted: Dec 27, 2008 10:22am
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On 2008-12-26 21:37, haywire wrote:
AND I have a really big problem with coming out with 2.0 which fixes the problems with 1.0 AFTER you have already taken peoples money for the first one, and made a lot of promises you did not deliver on.
Why would I shell out MORE money to get what I was promised in the first place?
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We accept this premise in the world of computer software why not magic?
J
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itsmagic
Special user
middle earth
633 Posts
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Posted: Dec 28, 2008 1:10pm
And automobiles, via recalls.
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marknem7
Elite user
477 Posts
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Posted: Jan 6, 2009 7:10pm
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On 2008-12-26 21:37, haywire wrote:
"Rick (Haslett) has fixed a few of my devices since everything he sells comes with a lifetime warranty on the electronics. I'm admittedly tough on stuff but Rick never complained, just fixed them and shipped them back quickly."
I'll wholeheartedly second that. Rick is a great creator/dealer to do business with.
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