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daver
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On 2008-05-26 12:28, OHCollector wrote:
Emory also inflates his prices to compensate for the "free shipping" he offers.


Emory will match prices "to your door". In other words, he's matching what you can get it for elsewhere. Where is the problem with this? Some dealers (I know of a few) will deflate prices and make it up on shipping. Bottom line is bottom line.

And remember, price is not the only determinant. Emory is helpful and they provide quality service.
Dave



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No, price is not the only variable that goes into a buying decision, but it is unquestionably the biggest. And I have to question how smart it is to have a square circle priced at $130.00 that you can get from most other dealers for around $105.00. Do you think most people shopping for that item on the Internet are going to even proceed to Emory's shipping page for a total? I tend to believe the "free" shipping would go unnoticed, sticker shock would immediately set in, and they'd go somewhere else.
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So he should lower his prices AND ship free and not be able to keep the lights on and doors open?

Come on, we all want to make money and keep our businesses going. They say they match prices, and they do. So if you see it cheaper, and you talk to them, they will do better to match the to your door price, because there are others who will artificially lower prices and jack up the shipping costs. I find that a little more deceptive because you don't know the (shipping) price till you check out!

I submit that the notice that Emory has "we match prices" on the web site keeps the people there and buying from him and as a satisfied customer myself, I completely understand the "to my door" price, because let's face it, it makes sense.

Should I find everyone selling an item for $130, see someone selling it for $105, and I say, "yo! cool! great!, buy it!", and then when I get to the check out page, I find that shipping is an extra $25, and be happier?

My point here is these are ALL things that vendors do to get your business, and there is neither good nor bad about it as long as there is no deception going on. IMHO, saying one has the lowest prices or will match competitors and then add shipping on that is more deceptive. As an aside, would you drive an hour to save $5 on an item because they're cheaper (even before the current gas price stuff)? Between time, hassle, gas and all, I suspect you would not, because it would cost you more than the $5 in gas (and tolls?) and time and wear and tear on the car, so why is this different?

I submit that there is no deception here, you KNOW you're not going to pay for shipping, and the comment was that Emory does well in pricing, matching, and customer service. I agree.
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On 2008-06-25 08:57, daver wrote:

Should I find everyone selling an item for $130, see someone selling it for $105, and I say, "yo! cool! great!, buy it!", and then when I get to the check out page, I find that shipping is an extra $25, and be happier?




Yes, If the other places don't offer free shipping.
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Matt, I hope that was sarcastic. I meant $130 and free shipping vs, "Hey, we got a lower $105 price and we'll tell you how much shipping is when you get to check out..."

Bottom line means how much it costs you to obtain the goods and/or services you seek, complete. I'd rather know before I start the ordering process rather than play shipping charge routlette.
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If shipping is the part that worries you the most, then maybe you should fly to New York, Hollywood or Wichita to purchase your magic. Seriously, the bigger shops have special deals with FedEx and UPS so that they can lower the shipping costs as much as possible. If you don't like the shipping costs, check the total and see what the item costs elsewhere WITH the shipping costs. You will generally wind up paying close to the same amount in the long run.

For me, it boils down to just a few things:
1) If I order the item, do they have it in stock? Sometimes you can't tell when you do business using an on-line form, so I generally will phone my order in. I know it costs more, but it saves trouble in the long run.

2) Will the item work in the situations where I perform? The people I deal with know my working conditions and my skill level. They generally won't steer me wrong.

3) Will they send me the correct item? This has been discussed before.

4) Assuming that I already knew the secret of the item before I purchased it, will they accept a return for credit or replacement if the item is defective or deficient?

5) Will they pack it correctly, so it arrives intact? This is sometimes the difference between a high shipping charge and a low shipping charge. Believe me, when I pay $3500 for a set of cups for the museum, I don't want it shipped in a Tyvek envelope with no padding. I'll pay an extra $75.00 for good packing and quick shipping.

Basically, you get what you pay for.
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On 2008-06-25 08:57, daver wrote:
So he should lower his prices AND ship free and not be able to keep the lights on and doors open?


When did I suggest that? My point was this: It's not the smartest strategy to win customers when the first thing they see - before they see the shipping gimmick - is much higher prices than what most other dealers retail the items at. Bill Palmer is right - regular clients of couriers receive discounts. That would make the $25.00 to ship the square circle to me even more preposterous than it already was.
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So we're in agreement then. Artificially lowering the price to bring people in and making up on shipping is bad.
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It's been a while since I've made a post here so I'd like to offer my two cents on shipping. As one of the first dealers on-line, my experience goes back many years. Bill is correct when he states that we have discounts with FedEx and UPS. Of course if you ship USPS online, you will receive 5% off their shipping rates, too. That being said, every once in a while I put in an address next door to me in the FedEx database and the USPS database. Every package that leaves here has tracking and insurance for obvious reasons. FedEx charges me $6.79 to ship a 2oz. box next door. USPS is $6.19. THIS IS MY DISCOUNTED RATE! Most of packages way much more than 2oz. and travel much further than next door.

Last year we spent close to $50,000.00 just on shipping. That's quite a bit of money to just give away. If you'd like a far greater insight through a dealer's eyes, I invite you to view the following post:

http://www.broadcastmagic.com/trickerytalk/?p=27
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On 2008-06-25 11:22, daver wrote:
Matt, I hope that was sarcastic. I meant $130 and free shipping vs, "Hey, we got a lower $105 price and we'll tell you how much shipping is when you get to check out..."

Bottom line means how much it costs you to obtain the goods and/or services you seek, complete. I'd rather know before I start the ordering process rather than play shipping charge routlette.


I completely misread your post. LOL I thought you meant 130 plus shipping Smile
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Aaron is a great guy, good prices and fast shipping
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Yes that is what I said, if another company with lower prices offers free shipping, Emory will match that price and offer free shipping also. He just did it for me last week!

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Give Magic Legacy a try. We strive for customer support and satisfaction. We currently have a Grand Opening Sale going on. We are fast shippers and always try to offer some of the best prices on the internet.
Mike

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On Jan 29, 2008, daver wrote:
Believe it or not, eBay is not a bad place to buy. Recently, I've also purchased from sellers I've found here in the "Let's Make a (Magic" Deal" section.

For general online purchases though, MJMMAGIC and WILLIAMSMAGIC are great. Both match pricing including shipping, and are very reputable...


That was a rather old post. Wondering if the "Let's Make a (Magic) Deal" section is no longer available? Or do I need 50 plus posts to see it?

Curious if there are any Viking promos Smile since their site has a promo code box at check out.
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Viking had a special on Cyber Monday but it was just for one day. They have sister-site which is still running its Black Friday sale.

https://www.upstagemagic.com/
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On Nov 30, 2017, DelMagic wrote:
Viking had a special on Cyber Monday but it was just for one day. They have sister-site which is still running its Black Friday sale.

https://www.upstagemagic.com/



Really? I kept trying to sign up for the Viking news letter. It acted as if it received my email address but I never got the confirmation email. (Yes, I checked my spam filters repeatedly and reapplied repeatedly). Oh well Smile

Let me see if the sister-site has what I wanted Smile

Thanks for the heads up Del Magic!
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No luck. upstage does not have the euro card box, on sale or no.
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Has anyone bought from Ziggos Party Supplies? And if so your experience. A lot of Empire stuff but they have some good prices on some items.

A link to the magic section:

https://www.ziggosparty.com/collections/magic
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