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David Parr
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Jonathan, the booklet on The Last Dream is not available on my website; it has been out of print for years.
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After working out how to do that count as display, did you change the way you handle cards in general?
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On Mar 23, 2018, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
After working out how to do that count as display, did you change the way you handle cards in general?


Not sure I understand the question. That approach doesn’t really work for most card magic, which generally involves a full deck.
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Hi Jonathan,

With reference to Joe Riding. The initial release used the Elmsley Count (in both Joe's and Ken Brooke's written instruction) - which for cabaret, meant counting the cards parallel to the floor; and to the side of the body. This looked awkward, as well as creating a visibility issue for those spectators sitting to the other side of your body - i.e. with the cards being counted on your right side, the only folk to see them clearly would be those on your right, and to the centre of the audience.

The count that Joe came up with, was a more natural count for stage work. It wasn't an Elmsley Count as such - it was more of a switch (with the assistance of a finger-held break). Joe started using this around 1995; and explained it when he was at 4 F's in 2000.

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Barry
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Jonathan Townsend
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Hi Barry,
I'd like to know more about what Joe Riding did.
I'd like to be mindful of what others have done before.
Is there some material on his count work in "print/video" which I could obtain through our open market?
Private correspondence?
Thanks in advance,
JonT

PS folks know how tough it is to relearn habitual/common actions. Imagine working on two such candidate count actions... one looks like a run of cards right out of "erdnase", thumbing the cards singly -while the other more display oriented approach has that upside down (bottom dealing) action.
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I found that using larger, thicker cards — like jumbos — made it relatively easy to retrain my hands and brain to do Elmsley counts in the raised position. The only pitfall was watching what was happening on the back of the packet, which gave an odd, confusing perspective. So I relearned the counts in front of a mirror, paying attention to the reflection and not the back of the packet.
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