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entity Inner circle Canada 5060 Posts |
There seems to be continual tension between those who wish to present themselves as genuine psychics, and those of us who wish to present mentalism for purely entertainment purposes. This isn't simply a matter of differing opinions. It's about completely different approaches to what we are doing.
Would it help in any way to resolve these tensions if a new sub-forum were created where psychics could explore and express their own ideologies, and this one for mentalists remained and would allow the mentalist/entertainers to continue to express and explore mentalism as an art form for enterainment only; Shouldn't mentalists have a place where we won't be attacked for expressing a desire to do things such as use a disclaimer, or talk about how we are percieved and how we perceive ourselves as performers? Equally, Psychis should have their own place to espouse whatever beliefs they would like without interruption or harrassment from those who think differently. Would readers here be in favour of such an added forum, if it would help to stop some of the arguments and accusations here on this forum? I'd honestly like to find a resolution here. I'm not alone here. Several others have expressed the same sentiment to me, privately. Do any of you think this is a reasonable idea? - entity
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18033 Posts |
Would we have to drink from other water fountains too?
You are assuming that someone can't be both.
THE MAN THE SKEPTICS REFUSE TO TEST FOR ONE MILLION DOLLARS.. The Worlds Foremost Authority on Houdini's Life after Death.....
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entity Inner circle Canada 5060 Posts |
I agreed with you earlier, on another thread that people can of course be both. It's not about discrimination. It's giving each a place to do what they want to do. If you have a psychic-oriented topic or point of view, put it on the psychic forum and anyone who wants to read it or contribute can, without fear of being attacked or ridiculed. Same for the others who post on the mentalist forum. Both can read and contribute to either, but where ideological or ethical differences occur, attacks and tension can be avoided.
Doesn't it seem a reasonable alternative to continued tensions? - entity
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lostpoet Special user 610 Posts |
Yes, very reasonable idea and I'm all for it.
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entity Inner circle Canada 5060 Posts |
Thank you, Lostpoet. I hope others will agree, and that Steve Brooks will consider the idea.
- entity
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kriskraze Special user 620 Posts |
Very reasonable - I 3rd the idea.
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entity Inner circle Canada 5060 Posts |
It's late (at least where I live) so if this thread survives until morning, it will be interesting to see who agrees tomorrow.
Thanks to all. - entity
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Ramsay Special user England 638 Posts |
I agree with this idea. It also would allow an easier approach for each side to understand the other. Allowing each style to read what they other is aiming at or focused on.
I think this is a fine suggestion. L. |
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entity Inner circle Canada 5060 Posts |
Thank you, Luke.
Your support is very welcome. - entity
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burst Veteran user Memphis, TN 308 Posts |
I don't really see the point, but that's because I don't understand the fuss at all. I honestly can't relate why people argue over this subject at all. I don't care if anyone performs a certain way, says that psychic powers are fake, claims that he has them, or if they make people believe they manipulate people psychologically. I also don't care what anyone thinks of how I choose to perform.
It seems like it would be easier if we just let conversations exist without resorting to fighting against how a person chooses to view the world. You know, respect one another. Opinion in a particular thread don't jibe with you? Go back a page in your browser, click on a different thread, and don't ever bother to wonder back into that thread. If people want to have someone debate against their thoughts, then maybe they can request it. If beliefs pop up in a thread based on an effect, just bounce right over it, not bothering to give it a read. If we are given different forums, it's essentially enforcing respect. Seems better if we somehow found a way to simply respect each other on our own volition. /paul.f |
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SM41 Special user 831 Posts |
We also need one for Book Tests, another one for Skeptics, and another one for NLPers, and maybe why not another one about mediums.
Just a thought... Seriously what we exactly need is one about Paranormal (that may include everything) and one for skeptics. Just a thought. |
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Ramsay Special user England 638 Posts |
I do not wish anyone to ever censor their performance of feel they need to reduce their own voice in there performances however I am tired of hearing people claiming they are the real deal on here - in the long run it is not helpful for other people to sit thru claims of real power when we are discussing methods for producing such effects rather than being the real thing.
Maybe we could all write out our claims in a thread and then never visit claiming anything again and get back to talking craft and not PR> L. |
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SM41 Special user 831 Posts |
Luke, your post was a response for whos comment?
Santiago |
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yachanin Inner circle Cleveland, OH 2105 Posts |
Hi Entity,
I'm in favor. It's often time consuming and tiresome to read through all the argumentative posts in order to find (and follow) the useful/helpful information scattered throughout a thread. Regards, Steve
"Impossible? Your audience will think so..." TM
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entity Inner circle Canada 5060 Posts |
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On 2008-03-10 01:13, burst wrote: That's ideal, but it doesn't seem to work in reality. I think that the basic differences run too deep. While I might respect someone's right to believe in whatever psychic approach they want to believe, should I then be forced to also respect that belief (not the person's right to believe -- but WHAT they believe -- if I think that it is based upon harmful practices or unethical behaviour? I don't want to quash what they want to say or believe. And I don't want others to ridicule or quash my way of doing things based purely on ideological or ethical differences. I think the sane and reasonable answer is to give each a place to practice what they want without fear of attack or ridicule due to ideological differences. Yes, it's enforced civility, but a lack of enforced civility seems not to be working on this forum. - entity
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Ramsay Special user England 638 Posts |
It is not in response to anyones post but rather as a general note on this topic.
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Tom Jorgenson Inner circle LOOSE ANGLES, CALIFORNIA 4451 Posts |
Until there is a separate forum, we cannot discuss psychic things among psychic people. Luke's post, above, illustrates that.
Since 'legitimate psychic' is interwoven with the ideological, spiritual or religious, it can't be discussed here. The entire area of 'legitimate psychic' is is too bothersome, too upsetting, to deal with on this forum. It's just not the place. Luke's post, above, illustrates this, also.
We dance an invisible dance to music they cannot hear.
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Mr. Mindbender Inner circle 1566 Posts |
I vote _______.
For those who are real -- well then, you know my answer. For the rest of us, I'll type it as well as think it -- yes -- solid, easy, workable idea. |
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entity Inner circle Canada 5060 Posts |
Tom Jorgenson: Sorry, it's late and I'm a bit whoozy... Is your post saying that you support the idea of a separate forum, or that you think it's not possible here?
Steve and Mindbender, thank you both for making your voices heard. And to Santiago and Burst, I welcome your thoughts as well. We all have a stake in what happens here. - entity
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fishwasher Inner circle B'ham uk 1231 Posts |
It makes sense, as their are seperate forums for different types of magic and performance venues.
I will visit both |
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