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Ghoulia
New user
14 Posts
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Posted: Mar 18, 2008 3:42am
I wonder why more pretty girls don't get into magic because they have the perfect misdirection for doing magic (with men anyway) just wear a sexy little number that shows a lot of clevage and you can be sure that no man will be watching what you're doing with your hands but they would be more focused on what they wish they were grabbing with theirs 
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chill
Veteran user
colorado, usa
310 Posts
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Posted: Mar 18, 2008 9:03am
This type of distraction might work for some of your audience, tho the majority will probably need a little something more. also, if these boys bring dates, you risk losing half the crowd. skin is a good distraction but must be played gently so as not to offend.
bob
I spent most of my money on magic and women, the rest i just wasted
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Ghoulia
New user
14 Posts
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Posted: Mar 18, 2008 10:31am
You've got a point there chill
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vinsmagic
Inner circle
sleeping with the fishes...
8676 Posts
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Posted: Mar 18, 2008 12:07pm
Perfect for Bachleor party,,,,,,,,
Come check out my magic.
http://www.vinnymarini.com
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Ghoulia
New user
14 Posts
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Posted: Mar 18, 2008 12:56pm
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On 2008-03-18 12:07, vinsmagic wrote:
Perfect for Bachleor party,,,
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Indeed!
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todsky
Inner circle
Montreal, Canada
1980 Posts
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Posted: Mar 18, 2008 6:29pm
Missdirection; I love it! If I was a woman, I would call myself Miss Direction.
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MCM
Elite user
Minnesota
426 Posts
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Posted: Mar 18, 2008 7:32pm
LOL tod you are too late, one is already out there. http://www.myspace.com/kristachilton
Mike
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Ghoulia
New user
14 Posts
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Posted: Mar 24, 2008 1:12am
I was thinking of using it as a name but I found someone else had it... too bad
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JRob
Veteran user
Central South Carolina
391 Posts
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Posted: Mar 24, 2008 7:56am
I think "Ms. Direction" might still be available. The only act I found using it was a rock band (whose music was not my cup o' tea).
"Jim Roberts, AKA: Professor Jay Rob "
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Lady D
New user
14 Posts
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Posted: Mar 25, 2008 3:47pm
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On 2008-03-18 12:07, vinsmagic wrote:
Perfect for Bachleor party,,,,,,,,
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Again with the sniggering remarks and inuendo? Isn't enough enough?
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Chrystal
Inner circle
Canada/France
1556 Posts
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Posted: Mar 27, 2008 2:21am
I don't think Vinnie was being obnoxious at all as he's very respectful of women. His remark, if I may infer was said tongue in cheek regarding the following: Showing off cleavage and wearing sexy numbers - sorry but talent in magic is what is considered the priority. Those kinds of statements regarding the attire women should wear in magic may be why there aren't more young ladies going into magic. They are trying to break the stereotype and why can't a talented female knock someone's socks off by performing in a business suit and let the magic speak for itself.
Chrystal
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Banester
Special user
663 Posts
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Posted: Mar 27, 2008 9:32am
Chrystal, there is no reason a talented female magician can't knock us off our feet without using the her gender. If it is not demeaning why not use it to your advantage? I am sure some woman feel appalled, but others wield it like a sword. I myself feel you are better off not going down that road.
The art of a magician is to create wonder.
If we live with a sense of wonder, our lives
become filled with joy
-Doug Henning-
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airship
Inner circle
In my day, I have driven
1595 Posts
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Posted: Mar 27, 2008 6:38pm
Do you mean like Zatanna?
'The central secret of conjuring is a manipulation of interest.' - Henry Hay
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clarissa35f
Veteran user
363 Posts
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Posted: Apr 26, 2008 6:29am
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On 2008-03-27 09:32, Banester wrote:
Chrystal, there is no reason a talented female magician can't knock us off our feet without using the her gender. If it is not demeaning why not use it to your advantage? I am sure some woman feel appalled, but others wield it like a sword. I myself feel you are better off not going down that road.
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If I may. many of us have been trying to make it legitimately, and the rumors of " oooh she slept her way to the top" have in the past been used to explain why a woman got ahead in a male dominated industry. Now in magic there is an advantage. No matter how sexy you are if you cannot perform as a magician, no one of note that you respect will want you to perform for them. If someone does want you, and you suck at magic, may as well stick to the sexyness and chuck the magic.
I think that to many of us, using our bodies to assist with magic is like admiting we are not as good as male magicians are. After all, if we were, we could perform as well, in the same situation... a business suit.
That having been said, there is no reason the suit cannot comprise a business skirt, and the suit come with a sexy blouse... but... maybe only the top button undone...not 2...or...3.. because then you are just a magic stripper. lol...
Another reason is, that the sexy underclad female in magic has more often than not been the assistant that is there for misdirection, and female magicians want to stand out in the minds of the public, and not be confused for the assistant.
“Amateurs practice until they get it right.
Professionals practice until they can’t get it wrong.” <Anonymous>
"There is no such thing as magic, there is no other way that could have been done" <Whit Haydn>
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Amazing Binky
Regular user
Lancaster,OH
162 Posts
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Posted: Aug 24, 2008 8:35pm
Unfortunately, cleavage as misdirection doesn't always work. You notice that Vernet no longer carries the "Third Boob" which held a huge load, but was often spotted by the onlooker as suspicious. 
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JamesTong
Eternal Order
Malaysia
11210 Posts
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Posted: Sep 7, 2008 7:27am
Sex appeal sells in the area of entertainment but many do not realize that it does not only mean the female sexy physique.
It is the attractive feminine side of sex appeal that attracts the public, may they be male or female. Sex appeal does not mean dressing up in revealing costume. A female magicianne can be dressed up in a business suit or any costume that is not revealing but can still be accepted in the entertainment industry. It is the feminine side of the personality and character that counts.
Of course the skills of magic counts too, along with business, marketing and PR knowledge.
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Steve Dela
Special user
U.K. London
964 Posts
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Posted: Sep 24, 2008 9:52am
I also perform as a character called Miss Direction, she is performing all over London.
check out www.magicweek.co.uk and you will see she is listed in the news and performing at magic night in soho on 3rd october!
Steve Dela
http://stevedela.com
Associate Member of the Inner Magic Circle
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Big Daddy Cool
Inner circle
1566 Posts
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Posted: Sep 24, 2008 10:10am
Krista Chilton performs as Miss Direction - Their website is www.divinemagic.biz
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acesover
Special user
I believe I have
988 Posts
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Posted: Sep 28, 2008 10:35am
I have to put in my two cents here. I feel that we are confusing looking good, or hot, or sexy or what ever you want to call it with misdirection. Misdirection is done in a moment. While your look is there from the beginning of your performance till the end. Example, Jackson at the Halftime Superbowl Show was great misdiredtion but was only a moment. I realy feel that she could have done a very poor pass and it would have gone undetected. If a female performer is attractive and has a nice figure there is nothing wrong with using it as part of her personna. Lets look at some performers Cher, Dolly, and to be quite honest most female singers. Do you see them come out and perform in business suits or do you see them dressed in what we today use the term as dressed "HOT". Make no mistake about it, as magicians you are entertaining, and doing so your look is what they see first and your magic is second. Before someone misquotes me I am saying that what your spectator sees first is your look. I do not mean your magic is secondary. And while on the subject look back at the outfits of many of our most suscessful male magicians that have performed on television. I will not mention names but think back of the clothing that many of our male performers have worn when performing. I have not seen that many business suits. Remember I am talking about magaicians not mentalists. Mentalists definitely fall into a different category not being discussed here. OK, said my two cents. Fire away.
Lasciate ogni speranza, voi ch’entrate!”]
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Dynamike
Eternal Order
20655 Posts
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Posted: Oct 3, 2008 12:53pm
Funny if there was a clumbsy female magician named "Misstake".
Dynamike
Oakland County Magician Macomb County Magician Wayne County Magician Detroit Magician Detroit Clown
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Banester
Special user
663 Posts
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Posted: Oct 3, 2008 2:06pm
Acesover, your point on the what the spectator see's first is correct. Though I feel to make a lasting impression you don't just want to have the "hot" look. I have had people say that the performer looked "Hot", but the show sucked. I am not just talking about magic I think it goes for any type of performance. I didn't come to see skimpy outfits I came to be entertained, I think other people feel the same way. As Crystal said, let the magic speak for itself!
The art of a magician is to create wonder.
If we live with a sense of wonder, our lives
become filled with joy
-Doug Henning-
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Father Photius
Grammar Host
El Paso, TX (Formerly Amarillo)
15707 Posts
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Posted: Oct 3, 2008 2:59pm
Beauty and its distraction is in the eye of the beholder. I agree that it would not be misdirection for everyone in an audience. But I do recall that every time Nani walked on the stage I totally forgot Mark was there until she left again.
"Now here's the man with the 25 cent hands, that two bit magician..."
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Dynamike
Eternal Order
20655 Posts
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Posted: Oct 3, 2008 4:19pm
Beauty is only skin deep. Ugly is to the bone.
Dynamike
Oakland County Magician Macomb County Magician Wayne County Magician Detroit Magician Detroit Clown
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acesover
Special user
I believe I have
988 Posts
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Posted: Oct 3, 2008 8:12pm
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On 2008-10-03 14:06, Banester wrote:
Acesover, your point on the what the spectator see's first is correct. Though I feel to make a lasting impression you don't just want to have the "hot" look. I have had people say that the performer looked "Hot", but the show sucked. I am not just talking about magic I think it goes for any type of performance. I didn't come to see skimpy outfits I came to be entertained, I think other people feel the same way. As Crystal said, let the magic speak for itself!
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If you reread my post you will see that I said that you see the performer first. Then I went on to clarify that the look is seen first first but the magic is primary not secondary. Just to clarify my position on this.
I totally agree with you about some performers looking hot but their performance sucked. The only ones I know that this works for are pole dancers but that is a different topic,,,ha, ha. Although I guess they have to perform (dance) well also. Oh heck never mind. I am getting myself in trouble here.
Lasciate ogni speranza, voi ch’entrate!”]
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Zirconia
New user
Las Vegas
3 Posts
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Posted: Oct 4, 2008 6:01pm
Hello Everyone,
I have often browsed these forums but never actually registered. This topic prompted me to join Magic Café so I could respond!
In general, when a female magician appears on stage wearing very revealing clothing, then proceeds to perform illusions in which she gets shoved into boxes and generally plays the victim, it is difficult for me to take her seriously as a magician. At that point she really is just a glorified assistant. Several female magicians I have seen seem to fall into this trap. I think it is possible to present yourself as both powerful and sexy (or powerful and beautiful, or whatever you are trying to convey), but it has to be a conscious decision about who you are when you perform. Too many female magicians default to the assistant's role on stage because that is the image they're familiar with in magic. Other thoughts on this?
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todsky
Inner circle
Montreal, Canada
1980 Posts
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Posted: Oct 4, 2008 7:14pm
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On 2008-08-24 20:35, Amazing Binky wrote:
Unfortunately, cleavage as misdirection doesn't always work. You notice that Vernet no longer carries the "Third Boob" which held a huge load, but was often spotted by the onlooker as suspicious.
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charliewerner
Regular user
162 Posts
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Posted: Nov 8, 2011 11:14pm
Those using skin are pity, as their magic are weak and audience are not interested in watching her magic..
Imagine a guy stripper performing magic....Woman like him not because his magic..guy definitely won't even look...
Same can be said with a woman stripper performing magic..guy definitely wasn't watching the magic (They just pretend to be interest in what she did) and woman on the other hand might feel ...well I don't know.. LOL
My conclusion is, if your magic are accepted by american, euro and asian audience, then it good. Follow path of cyril takayama. Just pure magic.
Those woman who depend on clothing and sexy, would not be able to perform when they old. Definitely not performing at the age of 80 like the professor Dai Vernon.
"Seeing Joy, Sadness, Anger,Contempt,Surprise, Disgust,Fear on people faces are the motivation of my MAGIC" Charlie Werner (C.C.L)
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Herr Brian Tabor
Veteran user
West Virginia
378 Posts
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Posted: Dec 31, 2011 12:44pm
Why should a woman have to show her body to be a magician? Regardless of her looks, I would imagine she'd want to be taken seriously, and respected for her skill, dedication, and hard work rather than her body. I'm a man and find this thread horrifying! Those of you with jobs suggest to your female co-workers that they show more skin to make more money at their job and see if it's a good idea!
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Lucy
New user
Alabama
27 Posts
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Posted: Jan 7, 2012 12:08pm
II learned in my first competition experience that you must be very cautious about dress or costume. As a dancer I had never given a thought to the sexiness of a costume.Ballet in its classical form uses some abreviated costumes but we just don't think about it. For my first competition I was supposed to be a Genie, and was dressed appropriately in a very nice belly dance costume which I had imported from Greece. It showed some skin but not very much. My performance was downgraded because of the costume. Since that experience I have been very careful to keep covered when performing. misdirection is just better if it is purposfully done and does not depend on gender.
Lucy
Drlscollins@yahoo.com
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Mr. Mystoffelees
Inner circle
I haven't changed anyone's opinion in
3379 Posts
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Posted: Jan 7, 2012 5:14pm
The only competition I feel is worthy of the time and effort requires that numbskull judges can not sabotage the results. The hundred yard dash comes to mind. Unfortunately, I don't know if there is a magic equivalent. You should not have had your performance downgraded because of your costume, but objectivity is in short supply...
Also known, when doing rope magic, as "Cordini"
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