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Bill Palmer

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Posted: May 7, 2011 12:57pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of Bill Palmer  

If you allow your copper cups to patinize, yellow will work very well with them. Not only that, you will eliminate flashing by reflection, that is, people won't see reflections of things they shouldn't see.

Patinized cups can look very good. When they get to the point that you like, apply a little oil to the surface, allow it to set overnight, then wipe it off. The oil will stop the patinization from proceeding further, and will give the cups a bit of sheen.

"The Swatter"
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My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups."
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yin_howe

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Posted: May 7, 2011 11:40pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of yin_howe  

Quote:

On 2011-05-07 12:57, Bill Palmer wrote:
If you allow your copper cups to patinize, yellow will work very well with them. Not only that, you will eliminate flashing by reflection, that is, people won't see reflections of things they shouldn't see.

Patinized cups can look very good. When they get to the point that you like, apply a little oil to the surface, allow it to set overnight, then wipe it off. The oil will stop the patinization from proceeding further, and will give the cups a bit of sheen.



Dear Mr Palmer,

Is there a particular type of oil?

"Talent without passion is talent wasted.."
yin_howe

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Posted: May 8, 2011 12:37pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of yin_howe  

Quote:

On 2011-05-06 19:40, cdmdu wrote:

I just have some colours-associated fears:
I think yellow and especially orange balls aren't giving a perfect contrast with copper cups.




Not really.

Click here to view attached image.

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cdmdu

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Posted: May 8, 2011 3:21pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of cdmdu  

I know that. But it's in my mind that these colours (it's just orange and some sort of yellow, not so flashy as those shown on the photo) don't fit with my copper cups (and strangely I don't like patina on my cup, so they always are shiny).
So, I don't use yellow or orange balls.
Certainly not the universal truth, but just my little one.
Bill Palmer

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Posted: May 8, 2011 3:55pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of Bill Palmer  

This is, of course, a matter of personal taste. If you are going to use shiny cups, you need a color that will contrast with them, as well as with your close-up mat and your clothing.

@ Yin Howe -- almost any light, clear oil will do. Mineral oil would probably work well. If you play a brass instrument, the oil that is used on the slides of these instruments should do nicely.

Jojoba oil should work. I don't know if I would use corn oil. I wouldn't want my cups to smell like Doritos!

"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC
My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups."
www.cupsandballsmuseum.com
yin_howe

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Posted: May 9, 2011 3:39am    Reply with quote   View Profile of yin_howe  

Quote:

On 2011-05-08 15:55, Bill Palmer wrote:

@ Yin Howe -- almost any light, clear oil will do. Mineral oil would probably work well. If you play a brass instrument, the oil that is used on the slides of these instruments should do nicely.

Jojoba oil should work. I don't know if I would use corn oil. I wouldn't want my cups to smell like Doritos!



unfortunately I dun play any instruments, so I have no knowlegde of the oils used on brass intruments.
Will baby oil work? (wow..i feel stupid typing this)

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magicalaurie

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Posted: May 12, 2011 3:54pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of magicalaurie  

If you would, please keep an eye on the What's Cooking? forum for Café members only specials on Magicalaurie's Monkey Fists thru May 31.

Laurie

"Within all of us there is an elusive melody which, when heard and followed, leads to the fulfillment of our fondest dreams," Siegfried & Roy
magicalaurie

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Posted: May 21, 2011 1:42pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of magicalaurie  

I've got some more new colours here now: http://magicalaurie.media.officelive.com/monkeyfists.aspx
My apologies if the page loads a little slowly- I'm working on changing the layout.

Laurie

"Within all of us there is an elusive melody which, when heard and followed, leads to the fulfillment of our fondest dreams," Siegfried & Roy
Bill Palmer

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Posted: May 21, 2011 4:28pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of Bill Palmer  

Quote:

On 2011-05-09 03:39, yin_howe wrote:
Quote:

On 2011-05-08 15:55, Bill Palmer wrote:

@ Yin Howe -- almost any light, clear oil will do. Mineral oil would probably work well. If you play a brass instrument, the oil that is used on the slides of these instruments should do nicely.

Jojoba oil should work. I don't know if I would use corn oil. I wouldn't want my cups to smell like Doritos!




unfortunately I dun play any instruments, so I have no knowlegde of the oils used on brass intruments.
Will baby oil work? (wow..i feel stupid typing this)



Very light machine oil should work. Rub it on, let it sit, wipe it off.

"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC
My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups."
www.cupsandballsmuseum.com
magicalaurie

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Posted: May 23, 2011 9:58pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of magicalaurie  

A couple more new colours up tonight.

Magicalaurie's Monkey Fists

Check out What's Cooking? for 3 Specials running through May 31.

Laurie

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ringmaster

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Posted: May 28, 2011 6:35pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of ringmaster  

Spring colors is great, had to order them.

I know it's spelled wrong.
http://s237.photobucket.com/albums/ff53/davidsweeney/Parker%20Jenny%20on%20Midway%20of%20Mirth/
Rainboguy

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Posted: May 30, 2011 9:48am    Reply with quote   View Profile of Rainboguy  

I had Frank make up a set of 1 1/8 inch green monkey fist balls for my Mendoza Combo Cups, and they are the finest balls for c/b that I have ever seen in my life and highly recommended.

See my quote on Frank's website.
ringmaster

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Posted: May 30, 2011 10:41am    Reply with quote   View Profile of ringmaster  

Quote:

On 2011-05-30 09:48, Rainboguy wrote:
I had Frank make up a set of 1 1/8 inch green monkey fist balls for my Mendoza Combo Cups, and they are the finest balls for c/b that I have ever seen in my life and highly recommended.

See my quote on Frank's website.

Chopped ?

I know it's spelled wrong.
http://s237.photobucket.com/albums/ff53/davidsweeney/Parker%20Jenny%20on%20Midway%20of%20Mirth/
Paul Mims

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Posted: Jun 5, 2011 1:07am    Reply with quote   View Profile of Paul Mims  

I ordered some Crochet Balls from Donnie at RNT2 and I got them in two days via Priority Mail!

The Snowballs in 7/8 are working like a charm in the Charlie Miller/Magic Inc. Cups. The look, the feel, and the weight are perfect.

I also got some Parakeet Blues and some Original RNT Reds in 1" for my two sets of Monti's. All I can say is wow!

If you are looking for some Crochet Balls for your cups, do yourself a favor and order some from Donnie at RNT2. You won't be disappointed.
ringmaster

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Posted: Jun 26, 2011 9:08am    Reply with quote   View Profile of ringmaster  

I ordered a set from Laurie and they arrived in four days, from CANADA, amazing !!!!

I know it's spelled wrong.
http://s237.photobucket.com/albums/ff53/davidsweeney/Parker%20Jenny%20on%20Midway%20of%20Mirth/
Bill Palmer

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Posted: Jun 26, 2011 12:45pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of Bill Palmer  

Quote:

On 2011-05-30 10:41, ringmaster wrote:
Quote:

On 2011-05-30 09:48, Rainboguy wrote:
I had Frank make up a set of 1 1/8 inch green monkey fist balls for my Mendoza Combo Cups, and they are the finest balls for c/b that I have ever seen in my life and highly recommended.

See my quote on Frank's website.

Chopped ?



These are combo cups. Figure it out.

"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC
My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups."
www.cupsandballsmuseum.com
magicalaurie

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Posted: Jun 27, 2011 5:17pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of magicalaurie  

Quote:

On 2011-06-26 09:08, ringmaster wrote:
I ordered a set from Laurie and they arrived in four days, from CANADA, amazing !!!!



Thankyou.

Laurie

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magicalaurie

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Posted: Oct 16, 2011 8:04pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of magicalaurie  

http://magicalaurie.media.officelive.com/monkeyfists.aspx

I've finally got the layout rearranged and have a bunch of new colours here. New drawstring bags to go with sets, also.

"Within all of us there is an elusive melody which, when heard and followed, leads to the fulfillment of our fondest dreams," Siegfried & Roy
Frank Starsini

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Posted: Oct 16, 2011 10:19pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of Frank Starsini  

Quote:

On 2011-05-30 09:48, Rainboguy wrote:
I had Frank make up a set of 1 1/8 inch green monkey fist balls for my Mendoza Combo Cups, and they are the finest balls for c/b that I have ever seen in my life and highly recommended.

See my quote on Frank's website.



Thanks Rainbowguy!

Here's a link to his quote and a quote by Jamy Ian Swiss
http://theambitiouscard.com/aitem.cfm?itemid=75

I use the pearl balls (monkeyfist version). No other ball has such remarkable qualities.
I would never use anything else.

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magicalaurie

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Posted: Jan 13, 2012 9:32pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of magicalaurie  

A note to let you know I now have Chop Monkey Fists available. More info on this thread: http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=408599&forum=218&24 and at my website.

"Within all of us there is an elusive melody which, when heard and followed, leads to the fulfillment of our fondest dreams," Siegfried & Roy
magicalaurie

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Posted: Apr 5, 2012 9:50pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of magicalaurie  

Just to let you all know that in honour of Magicalaurie's Monkey Fists 1 year anniversary I'm having a Spring Sale: http://magicalaurie.media.officelive.com/MMFs1stAnniversarySale.aspx

"Within all of us there is an elusive melody which, when heard and followed, leads to the fulfillment of our fondest dreams," Siegfried & Roy
Jamie D. Grant

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Posted: Apr 6, 2012 2:00pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of Jamie D. Grant  

Magicalaurie- those look great! Would you be able to make the 7/8" in some sort of Day-Glo or fluorescent green?

Bill Palmer

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Posted: Apr 6, 2012 2:37pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of Bill Palmer  

Re: baby oil. Baby oil is generally made by adding a fragrance to mineral oil. So, if you want your cups to smell like a clean baby....

"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC
My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups."
www.cupsandballsmuseum.com
magicalaurie

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Posted: Apr 6, 2012 4:20pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of magicalaurie  

Thankyou, Jamie. I do have the "Bud Green" included in the sale right now- might be worth trying at sale price- it is very vibrant. If you'd prefer a more specific neon green, though, I'd be willing to do a custom order for you- let me know with a PM if that's the case. I appreciate your interest!

"Within all of us there is an elusive melody which, when heard and followed, leads to the fulfillment of our fondest dreams," Siegfried & Roy
JESmagic

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Posted: Apr 6, 2012 7:47pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of JESmagic  

With regard to "patinized" cups, I have found a company that sells various patina solutions, which can turn bright copper cups into coffee color brown beauties. They also sell a variety of coatings, from lacquer to oil which can be put over the patina to seal the process. I have used the mahogany brown patina to get a beautiful rich patina on my cups--but you do have to apply it properly so that you don't get spots. Here is a link to the site:
http://www.sculptnouveau.com/

In terms of ball color, I have struggled with this myself, because I generally use cups with a dark patina. I make miniature baseballs (similar to Mike Rogers) which I use. I started with tan ball, similar to the color of the ball used in the Ammar video, but as it naturally darkened, I found it blended in with the cups too much. I've recently been dying various pieces of leather, and have found that a metallic silver contrasts EXTREMELY well with patina covered cups. Here is a pic--albeit, not the best quality bc it was taken using my iphone, but you can see the tan ball and the silver ball next to the patina covered cups.

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Jamie D. Grant

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Posted: Apr 12, 2012 5:35pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of Jamie D. Grant  

I just ordered some balls from magiclaurie- and her customer service is awesome! Looking forward to getting them!

magicalaurie

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Posted: Apr 29, 2012 1:24pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of magicalaurie  

Thanks, Jamie!
New Link to Sale

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s.freeman

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Posted: May 2, 2012 3:02am    Reply with quote   View Profile of s.freeman  

Laurie, these are absolutely gorgeous props! I can't wait for my next paying gig so I can order some!
magicalaurie

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Posted: May 5, 2012 1:50pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of magicalaurie  

Thankyou very much for the mention, s.freeman- I appreciate it!

"Within all of us there is an elusive melody which, when heard and followed, leads to the fulfillment of our fondest dreams," Siegfried & Roy
Alan Wheeler

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Posted: Jun 1, 2012 6:46pm    Reply with quote   View Profile of Alan Wheeler  

Do the Rings-N-Things green "money" balls look equally good on red and green velvet? I assume they would also show up well against either a red or black costume.

I am trying to figure out what color balls and final loads to use with a copper, mirror-finish chop cup. I've been searching the topics and see that Pete Biro recommends white, then red. I see that several people recommend the yellow stingers.

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Performing Magician
Athens, Georgia U.S.A.
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