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I've been looking for a great Linking Rope Routine and I think I've found it. I saw The Linking Ropes by Dick Williams on the following link: http://stevensmagic.com/shopping/html/p4397.htm I loved watching it and it must be worth it. No snaps or maginets. Anyone do this and there must be a good reaction, so clean. What do you think?
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I bought this when it came out a few years ago. Clever effect and easy to operate. I bought it on speck and haven't put it in a show yet as I've no presentation for it so I can't tell you how well it goes over.
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I studied this, and I find it seriously flawed as entertainment. It is a good puzzle, but there is a point in time when all three ropes are placed together and a serious pause and suspicious move is made in order to have the three ropes link.
And, if memory serves me, there is no two rope link, then three, then separate again. So the puzzle is "you tie two ropes", "I tie this one different" "I grab all three and all ropes are tiedand linked".
No entertainment, just a puzzle and a busy move.
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You are not being too critical. I just looked at Vinnie's demo and he used the same secret move. Yes it is a cool puzzle but there is not a lot of presentation.
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Store demo presentations leave a lot to be desired. I'd do it with TWO spectators, one on each side of me, each tying their rope into a loop; take all three and link them and then have the two spectators stand to one side and untie all three. Since the three ropes are the same length, you've got a good lead in to a Prof. Nightmare.

Another thought that occurred to me, Memorial Day and 4th of July on the horizon, would be to use a red rope, blue rope and white rope for the linking.

Meanwhile, I would be working on an ending where all three ropes become one long rope. The trick needs a good finish, that's all.
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I only jumped in the foray here so as to state that this is not the best linking rope trick ever. On its defense, what makes any linking ropes is the handouts and the examinations. But, in truth that is generally not necessary. An effective routine need not be one that requires proof of solid rope.
The absolute beauty of the E.J.Moore version, is that the spectator ties ALL of the knots. Therefore, he (the spectator)handles ALL of the ropes. The ropes are linked and unlinked in several configurations, and then wind up separate again.
As in the case of my "Dances" routine, I do a prelude of PN routines (now up to 3 in the same effect), then linking ropes, then wind up with three uneven ropes at the end. see Café thread: http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......orum=9&5
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Note: for those of you waiting, I have worked out the routine ungimmicked. With identical moves. Video soon.
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There is a thread on this, and I gave a short comparison of three non-gimmicked linkig rope effects.


http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......&forum=9

I wrote back then:

After making some phone calls, I found out that there are 3 Non-gaffed linking rope tricks on the market.

1) Aldini's(sp), 2) Raeke's, and 3) Williams.

1)involves some "fiddling" that may created suspicions, and the ropes can't be handed out at the end

2) 2 phases. ropes can be tossed out at end(while linked)

3) ropes may come apart if handed out at the end.

I bought Raekes.


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Been doing this one for thirty years or more....
http://www.magicvideodepot.com/main/memb......routine/
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I bought this from Gycklaren a few years ago. They manufacture under the name 'Tri Colour Nightmare' and include DVD instruction and three coloured ropes. You can see it here.

http://www.gycklaren.com/start.asp?artic......y=Sweden

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The 'Tri Colour Nightmare' by Gycklaren Magic is exactly the same as Wayne Raeke's 1981 "Running Knot" used for his "Anywhere, Anytime Linking Ropes," but I see no credit being given to Raeke. Also I don't know what they are charging, since I can't figure out how much 195,00 SEK is when converted to dollars, but the original Raeke manuscript currently sells for $15. The only difference I can see is that they are doing the effect with red, white and blue ropes, instead of all white ropes. Do they mention Raeke's name anywhere on the DVD?
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Where can the Raeke mss. be gotten?
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Greetings;
Just for information sake, Wayne Raeke had allowed Mid-America Magic to sell his linking ropes for some time and then pulled the item from them. I do not know the details as to why that happened, and it was a long time back.

Wayne then approached me about selling his Anytime Anywhere Linking Ropes and I did for a number of years. Wayne eventually moved to Texas, had several health battles, and eventually sold the trick outright to me. We have been producing it ever since.

Also for aditional information, our own Bill Palmer had redone the original instructions and illustrations for Wayne while he was in Texas. That is why there is a difference between the manuscript that I sold for Wayne in the beginning and the present manuscript that I sell with a set of ungimmicked ropes.
I only found out about that part when corresponding with Bill a couple years ago and Wayne's name came up and we talked about the rope routine.

I have not seen the tri-color routine to know how close it is or is not to Wayne's trick. I have seen the William's linking ropes, and while it is not the same as Wayne's it is very good. The version in the Aldini book is also very good.

To be honest, each has it's own good and not so good points. But if you are into linking ropes, I would think that you would explore every method that you could find until one suits you. I'm not putting this here to plug the Wayne Raeke ropes, just for information. If you have one that works for you, then stick with it, often in search for the Holy Grail we come full circle.

All the Best
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I bought my copy from Marty's, he should give us his web site?
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Greetings John;
The website is simply....martinismagic.com
All the Best
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While Marty is "in da house" I hope he can give me some bio info on Wayne Raeke so I can insert him in my "Brief Biographies of Magic Inventors."
http://www.magicnook.com/forum/bioQRS.htm
Is that knot his only contribution to magic, or does he have other effects invented?
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Thanks to Marty Grams and Bill Palmer, the biography/tribute to Wayne Raeke is now on-line.
http://www.magicnook.com/forum/bioQRS.htm

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Payne
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I just discovered that this can be done with two ropes in a Dean's box routine so that you can get the ropes to link after they've been tied into loops. I'm still playing with the handling but it seems to work. Worth looking into
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I bought the Raeke trick a while back from Marty and never did anything with it.
Last week I dug it out and within two nights of playing with this, I Love It!
It will go into my regular set now.
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I find that the Raeke version of Linking ropes to be seriously lacking in entertainment value, and is more a quick puzzle than a magic trick. I will stick with the EJ Moore version as it is as versatile as it can get.
Not only can you have the spectator handle and tie all three ropes, but you can link and unlink the ropes. What more can you want.
I also developed an entire sub routine using the Moore version and can start with professors nightmare, go to linking ropes, and back to the professors nightmare.
The price for the Moore routine and ropes are still under $10. The clever knot of the Raeke version does not make it a good trick.
IF you don't know any better and have not gotten into the original linking ropes, then you won't understand the difference. This is true of most magic today, the imitator or emulator might be what the new magician is exposed to and not know of the better original effect.
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If all you are doing with the ropes is a linking rope effect, then I agree that the Raeke routine is not as strong as the original by E.J. Moore. However, if linking the ropes is only a part of a larger routine and you require all ungimmicked ropes for that larger routine, then it makes perfect sense. That's the way Qua-Fiki uses the Raeke linking as a small part of his larger Blendo Ropes routine (The Wizards' Journal #16, on my site).

The entire Blendo Ropes routine is one penetration of colored ropes after another, each method different from the next, but it seems that ropes can just pass through one another or any solid objects that get in their way whenever the magician wants. Having the spectators tie the ropes into loops, linking the loops, and then having the spectators untie them to show they really were linked makes good sense within that context.

However, Blendo Ropes is not, per se, a linking rope routine. I just mention it here to show that there is a good use for the Raeke knot.
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